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Terran423 Saturday, May 15th, 2004
Period of
Product Use:
Less than a month13 of 15 people found this review helpful.

Paintball
Experience:
2 years
Similar
Products Used:
CCI Phantom with a lot of upgrades. The Phantom had the full set of clear parts which helped in a number of ways, it allowed me to see the balls, smoothens the pump stroke; a trigger shoe, it helped by making the trigger feel more comfortable; a grip frame with no logo or symbols on it, looked very cool. The phantom is a really nice performer regardless of the setup. I like the superstocker better so the super stocker must be something great. I'll tell you all about it.
Marker Setup: Palmer Super Stocker, vented barrel, Matte Nickel platine with nickel highlights, Sight Rail, Nickel Highlight Sight hood, Palmer Vertical Stabilizer, Engraving on the vertical ASA spacer, Lapco drop, 12 oz tank.
Recommended
Upgrades:
This marker needs no upgrades. I would recomend venting because it will quiet the gun down and stabilize the flight of the paintball better. Also make sure that the palmer pursuit shop knows what valving you want on the gun: you must choose either the typhoon valving or 12 gram valving. You use the typhoon valving if you want to run big tanks (12 oz and higher or HPA). You use 12 gram valving for smaller tanks or 12 grams. LOL. You can order both and it's really cheap. It's not difficult to switch out the valve. You just need a sheridan tool which costs $15. Remember this and other palmer guns can be made to your specific wants. I had my gun engraved with my Girl friend's name. I really love her.
Strengths: Quality construction, quiet (w/ ported barrel), Reliable, simple maintenance, unique, durable.
Weaknesses: The barrel may get bent; requiring fixing.
Review: You need to know that I am a modified stock class fanatic, and I thought that the phantom was the pinacle of stock class perfection. Well the phantom is a great gun and is significantly cheaper than a superstocker. In fact it is better if your primary concern is having the lightest gun.
My concerns are balance, quality, accuracy, consistency, weight, durability, range, sound signature (loudness), beauty, uniqueness. On durability the superstocker and phantom are about the same. Due to light weight nature of the phantom, many confuse it for being a very non durable gun. Albeit many will think that the superstocker is very durable because of the solid feel and weight. From my experience, I can say that their durability is about the same if not the superstcoker being a bit more durable. The super stocker is a bit more durable because O rings are durable plastic which will last longer than the rubber O ring on the bolt of the phantom.
When it comes to quality this and the phantom are very high quality: tight tolerances and good machining. The matte nickel finish is very nice and durable. The nickel highlights (the shiny nickel plating) look great and is quality done, but due to the nature of the way it is,it can get scratched pretty easily. My gun is an eye catcher because of the finish. It is absolutely gorgeous.
The balance on this gun is very very good with the 12 gram changer. I have my feed tube in the middle top and not set to the side like many other super stocker users. I believe that having it to the side will mess up the balance. I know that others believe that balance is personal preference but when I say balance I mean are both hands weighted evenly. This gun comes very close with the grip feeling slightly heavier. I'm putting on a metal pump handle because I think that it will make the gun perfectly balanced. :) For me this gun is easier to point stabilize than the phantom. The gun is heavier than the phantom but is by no means heavy like others would like to make you believe. The weight helps make the gun feel amazingly solid and it stabilizes the gun better while snap shooting. Now the last sentence was of personal preference.
Accuracy is something that palmers are known for. I talked to one of the gun makers and he talked about how there objective when making a barrel is to knucle ball the paintball out there. In other words make sure that the paintball comes as close to possible to not spinning so that at long ranger the shot continues to go straight. In fact because the gun does puts little to no spin on the paintball it equate to having shots that shoot farther. The mechanic spoke about how the barrel puts a pop so the ball is still gather energy but I really didn't understand it. I will speak about how I know blow backs and other guns to not have as much range. There is a kick to blow backs and that moves the barrel while the ball is stil in it which makes the paintball have spin and on my spyder compact it happens to be a spin that makes the paintball fall way too soon even though it is shooting at the right speed. A pump has the advantage of having very little recoil and that one of the reasons why I like them so much. Anyway, another thing about the accuracy of the superstocker and the other palmer guns which have the barrel matched to the valve is that it has elliptical honing which means that the paintball will be held by the barrel better and longer than any other barrel. The barrel is tight at the breach, bigger in the middle, and tight at the muzzle. This is because when high pressure air hits the paintball it starts to deform because of the pressure and it's deformed the most while the ball is in the middle and it starts to regain its form while near the end of the barrel. It will take some time to imagine what I'm talking about but if you think about it for awhile, I'm sure it will come to you. Basically it allows the ball to be touching the walls the longest amount of time and the paintball will not have excess friction when it deforms a lot in the middle. Has anyone wondered why ball breaks tend to be in the middle of the barrel rather than the end or beginning? Palmers will say that the most important thing to accuracy is the barrel to valve matching and that allows the gun to shoot any size paint with no trouble. Paint to barrel match isn't the most important for accuracy!! Barrel makers want you to believe that because it amounts to more sales as you rush to buy different barrels for all sorts of weather and paintball conditions. I don't trully understand how my superstocker can with the same velocity shoot with a flatter trajectory than my phantom but GOD it is obvious while test shooting in my back yard! Ohh I forgot to mention that the superstocker has a ball detent which prevents the gun from double loading (a problem I had with my phantom). The phantom has ball detent rings which will prevent a ball from rolling out while a superstocker has ball widgits which do the same thing. It comes standard on the superstocker while on the phantom, the ball detents are an accessory. The Ball detent on the superstocker is very helpful because I have double fed on numerous occassions because I was pumping while on the run. Another thing about accuracy few people realize is trigger pull jolting the gun. I learned how to deal with it on my phantom but it sure is great having a trigger pull of 1 mm on my superstocker compared to that longer and stiffer trigger on my phantom.
The gun is very quiet. Quiter than my phantom with the rare carbon fiber barrel. Sounds sort of like a thop. If you listen to the gun you would think it is shooting slow because it sort of sounds like you are running out of gas for your CO2 tank. The sound according to other users of palmer guns with vented barrels is that the sound is dependent on how good your paint is. I only use "the best paintball money can buy" AKA marballizer and can say the gun is very quiet with porting.
The gun is very very beautiful and is completely unique. My gun doesn't look agressive. It has a very elegant look that screams veteran and honor. At least that's how I see it. It turns a lot of heads. A very beautiful gun. It's very unique because you can have it built up the way you want it. My gun is uniqie because of the engraving and other things. There are very few palmer super stockers out there. The palmer representative said about 400. I know I have the 84th superstocker made in the style that I have.
The maintenance is amazingly simple and quick. It has the quickest strip down of any pump gun.
Your choices between guns are basically the chiply custom machine, CCI Phantom, Palmer Superstocker, Arrow precision STP. I like my Palmer super stocker but these guns all have their pinnacle advantages. I didn't put the carter buzzard on here because it's main advantage is its looks. It really an over glorified phantom. Its even a poorer design thant the phantom since the bolt is exposed to dirt. The chipley is what you want if you basically want a high quality pump gun that accepts all the autococker upgrades. You want the phantom if you are on a budget and want a really light weight gun. You want an arrow precision sterling if you want the best pump stroke. The WGP sniper is just a poor gun without upgrades. I wouldn't even consider it.
Conclusion: If you really want the best pump gun buy a palmer. They are expensive but you are easily getting your money's worh. The representatives are very nice and will help you with any problem you have. They seriously will talk to you forever and help you. Very very good service. My gun is awesome. You really need to own a palmer gun to understand all that I speak of. Go buy one if you are really serious about pump.
Rating:
10 out of 10Last edited on Monday, May 17th, 2004 at 9:56 pm PST
 

Review Comments
The Kampfer Sunday, May 16th, 2004 | 12:39 am PST
You have some pictures you can show me?
   

MecTurtleCocker Tuesday, November 14th, 2006 | 10:10 pm PST
Think the review was long enough? Nice one man!
   

JChan819 Friday, January 26th, 2007 | 6:05 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by MecTurtleCocker
Think the review was long enough? Nice one man!

Hahaha, I agree. You love the gun, or your girl... Hahahah.
   

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