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sdlm Sunday, June 13th, 2004
Period of
Product Use:
Only tested4 of 8 people found this review helpful.

Paintball
Experience:
3 years
Similar
Products Used:
matrix, almost the same gun, in a much different package.
shocker 2k3 feels slower than this, about the same size & weight, not quite as compact by design as the freestyle
angel, much better trigger and better frame but, more recoil, but overal is better
timmy, a whole different world, the Timmy is huge compared to this
Marker Setup: Smart Parts Shocker sport 4x4
Single trigger frame
14" CP barrel
Kapp drop zone
AA Raptor Rex 114/45
VL EGG II w/ z board

backup
pre-99 cocker RF
sto reg, &ram
shocktech bomb 3-way
12" lapco bigsho SS
VL revvi with x board

backup backup
ICD BKO with 12" lapco bigshot

backups backups backup
sheridan pgp 2k1
Recommended
Upgrades:
NEEDS new reg
NEEDS fast hopper
SHOULD HAVE nitro tank (works decent on Co2 though)
SHOULD HAVE new barrel (not icd threaded)
Strengths: fast, no kick, low ball breakage, compact, light, free drop on/off
Weaknesses: horrible ergonomics, effecentcy, trigger frame, stock grips don't fit frame, board
Review: well, I have shot many ICD freestyles and I must say they are excellent markers that have good and bad points.
Pros:
-Fast; just as fast as anything else , same as matrix, timmy, angel
-low recoil; just like a matrix, the accuracy is very good in rapid fire, there is no real kick
-low ball breakage: probibly from the low pressure operation, it will pinch not chop
-compact; it will reduce profile
-light; if you care it is
-free drop on/off: it includes this for free I don't like it but, some may

Maybe:
-Works well on co2, now I think this is great, I mean It will absolutly rip on co2 but, the question is why spend $1000 on a gun and $20 on the tank, I think all support equipment should match the marker in level, so for this marker I would use an adjustable tank like an Air america armagedon, apocalypse, or raptor rex
-cocker threaded; most people like this I have a lapco bigshot in ICD and Cocker threads and I don't care too much except that ICD threads are soo much better with the whole 4 entry threads if you ever want to use a pull thru squegee in a game it isn't hard. that and ICD threads are different, which is unique on the flipside that means it is harder to find ICD barrels, either way some like it others myself included don't care

bad:
-horrible ergonomics; someone needs to slap whoever decided that they were gonna have a reg as small as a WDP mimreg but, make it have a hose that comes out near the of the side of it, there is nothing to grip on! it is really, so you might as well just buy a more comfortable reg like a WDP minireg, or if you like somthing bigger how about a torpedo or stabalizer, I got a stab. and I love it, comfy even though the hose comes out the side b/c there is still stuff to grip on to.
-effecentcy; maybe it was just me but, it seems about equal to my shocker
-trigger frame; this is not the trigger you expect on a marker of this calibler, gone is the nice APP panel grips that some timmys, and BKOs came with now they have a wrap around grips but, get this THE FRONT OF IT DOESN'T FIT THE FRAME, seriously when you squeeze it it goes in, there is not enough metal on the frame to fill the wrap around grips , so there is just air between the rubber and metal on the front of the frame. it is a 90 degree frame but, it is of a bad design, not like an angel space frame, and not as good as a timmy clamshell either.
-trigger; again not nearly what I would expect to be on a marker like this, it is pretty much the same trigger that is on my BKO sloppy and though it is wider not wide enough. it is light, very light, but the matrix's trigger or the angels trigger completely owns this. I actually like it better than the timmy triggers oddly, but I haven't tried the new blade triggers for them yet. and as far as triggers go the only choice I know of is a blade trigger for the freestyle.
-the board has some bad eye and trigger logic, I have seen some with entropy boards and they rock like that. I mean it isn't immediatly noticable, but when you take an Angel IR3 with a trigger ALOT stiffer then the freestyle you should be able to shoot the freestyle faster right? I mean, it is odd but, the freestyle seems to go about 16bps or so bouncing or not so, I think that the trigger logic is messed up or somthing, it won't hit the 20 the angel does, and that angel did it in 2k1, I think ICD should just get a deal with vaporworks and always have chaos/entropy in all of these b/c with one of those these things are terrors on the field fire rate wise. the eyes also work beter with a different board on a halo the thing kept on pinching when I fired it fast, sometimes it would pinch the ssame ball twice every once and again it would break a ball it pinched twice but, this never occured unless you actually fire as fast as possible. I used an Egg II and a halo B z code and it was pretty much the same with the pinching issue which makes me think that the eyes don't work that well or maybe don't work with Zap that well or somthing they might be color sensitive or somthing.
-no upgradeability; there isn't any aftermarket 'cept regs and barrels and drops .
-price; for this price a matrix or angel are both better guns, which makes me sad as I am an ICD owner and I wouldn't mind owning a really high end gun from them but, it just needs a lower price for me to justify it over a speed or matrix.
Conclusion: all, in all it is a marker to watch out for as it is really good but, not a product that I would buy due to several problems and a price that doesn't make sense, if it where the samre price as a stock shocker I would get it, but otherwise there are much better buys out there than this. I give this gun an 8 b/c it performs like a terror but, it has several problems that need to be rectified in order for me to pic one up
Rating:
8 out of 10
 

Review Comments
doyoung2win Monday, February 7th, 2005 | 6:56 pm PST
u tested the generation 1 of the freestyle, they had many mistakes. all changed now, this gun is good
   

Sporefrog Friday, February 11th, 2005 | 10:48 am PST
I got my gen 2 freestyle for $620 shipped with prodigy trigger free. I don't know where you bought yours from.
   

jh1hotc Saturday, March 12th, 2005 | 1:28 pm PST
it is autococker threaded.....There are tons of barrels out there for that gun.
   

SuperMan23 Saturday, March 19th, 2005 | 7:48 pm PST
Are the Gen 2's better than the Gen 1's ?
   

jh1hotc Sunday, March 20th, 2005 | 1:24 am PST
Gen 2's are 45 degree clam shell grip, wher as gen 1's are 90 degree

gen s'2 have some other grip differences. the grips fit better than gen 1's

besides that there is the whole drop versus rail gen 1's with the former and gen'2 with the latter

and time for bed. anyone else, feel free to continue on with any of the differences.
   

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