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Al_Steel Monday, June 28th, 2004
The accuracy of this review is disputed. Please see discussion below.
Period of
Product Use:
Less than a month20 of 42 people found this review helpful.

Paintball
Experience:
More than 5 years
Similar
Products Used:
Sheridan PGP - Best backup pistol ever
Rapide - First Semi auto - Plastic POS but an upgrade from the Splatmaser
Splatmaster - First paintball gun I ever used
Nelspot - The one that started the revolution baby!
Marker Setup: Tippmann Model 98 - Polished internals
Tippmann .68 Special - Sniper barrel, Lapco Laser Dot Sight, bipod, lots of camo tape ;-)
Recommended
Upgrades:
A different marker... seriously
Strengths: Well, I guess it looks cool... that's about it.
Weaknesses: Poor CO2 cartridge seating, poor internal seals, difficult to reload
Review: In my experience this marker was complete crap.

It came NIB and I was very excited to use it for a scenario game. I was one of the major scenario players and for character effect I needed to go in with only a pistol. I read some reviews and tried to get a Zeus, but they were all sold out.. everywhere.. that should have told me something. The Delta looked like a good compromise, boy was I ever WRONG. It did have a "badass" look to it though so I dropped $120.00 bucks on what became a "prop" gun... biggest waste of money I have ever spent, honestly!

Right out of the box I could not get the CO2 to seal. I went through about 7 cartridges just attempting to get it to seal up. The quick release lever looks like a good idea, but you have to adjust it perfectly to get it to seat right. Minor differences in the length of different CO2 cartridges (even among the same brand) make a reliable adjustment of the quick release impossible. Plus, any leaking CO2 makes the O-ring seal expand, so if the CO2 leaks rapidly, it freezes the cartridge inside the gun. This means you have to wait for the CO2 seal to thaw and release the cartridge, or you have to pry the immortal hell out of the cartridge to get it out of the marker. Mind you, this will tear your O-ring meaning a new O-ring. Oh, did I mention that the O-ring seals in this marker are RUBBER! Come on, the extra $.50 for a teflon O-ring wouldn't have broken you 32-Degrees! And another $1.00 for a decent manual.. oh make that "A" MANUAL would have been a nice bonus, but I digress.

Ok, well after I had resigned myself to the Cartridge-Oring-Ejection problems I finally got a chance to attempt to Chrony the sucker. 190... "that's gotta be wrong... bang!... 180... ummm... bang! 184... Not too impressive, ok I guess I can live with... hisssssssss. What the?" Seems that an INTERNAL seal decided that it just couldn't live with the incredibly high cylinder pressures that a CO2 cartridge develops and decided it should make its discontentment known. Back to the shop....

Mind you, I have been playing paintball for over 10 years.. I know my way around a paintball gun's innards (note I say "gun", only when pball went mainstream and consequently "PC" did people start calling them "markers"). I even owned a Tippmann SMG-60, that gun was a real treat to keep going, but this miserable chunk of aluminum was beginning to pain me.

So, game time was coming close and I had to get this thing up and running, so I ran up to the field shop. 3 Technicians, a whole lot of CO2's and Orings, and one near miss by a CO2 rocket (watch it when you hit that quick-release lever and you still have some gas in the cartridge!) later it was finally temporarily functional.

I was able to get to the field but it's time was to be short lived. On the field the cocking lever was near impossible to pull back with fingered gloves and if you don't twist the ball stop completely out of the way, your balls will not feed properly. I did get to take out a 5 man team, due solely to my stealthy flanking ability, but that was the highlight of it's glory. After the first CO2 reload, another internal seal blew and I was through with it's misery. Dropping all hope for this "prop gun", I picked up an old Tippmann Carbine which made it rock solidly though the rest of the day. I handed the Delta to the field shop to fix and have never returned for it. Perhaps it has found a worthy demise, like being recycled into Old Milwaukee's Best cans.

So to sum up this miserable excuse for a "marker":

The Good
- It looks badass
- Nice comfortable grip.. at least it wont slip when you throw it out of frustration.

The Bad
- Poor quality internals
- Clunky and difficult CO2 cartridge ejection mechanism
- Difficult to change Orings
- Poor velocity
- Rear ball detent can easily twist preventing balls from feeding
- Velocity adjustment (???)
- Too much else to list

The Ugly
- The cover around the cocking lever makes it difficult to get to when wearing gloves
- Heavy (this from a guy that lugs around a .68 Special with a 20oz Siphon tank!)
- No Manual ?!?!
Conclusion: If you enjoy working on your gun and endless frustrating hours off the field while the rest of your team grabs all of the glory then this marker is for you.

Otherwise save your money and buy a Zeus, savings bonds, or a 12 pack.. anything but THIS marker!

PS - I gave it a 2-out-of-10 simply because I was able to get some play out of it.
Rating:
2 out of 10
 

Review Comments
Silentshot Tuesday, June 29th, 2004 | 12:34 pm PST
"Nice comfy grip - at least it won't slip when you throw it out in frustration"

ROFLMFAO

Good review, if it says 32* stay the f%ck away from it
   

ishen Sunday, October 17th, 2004 | 9:16 am PST
i did find this review helpful- good to hear some negatives. any opinion on the zeus? ill check for you posties there...
   

paintballpimp11 Saturday, December 11th, 2004 | 10:48 pm PST
i have yet to have any problems with my delta 68 but i agree on u with saying the manual was crap
   

tipp98delta68 Monday, December 27th, 2004 | 3:10 pm PST
I havent had anything wrong with mine either...of course i know how to use it. I guess you could have got a bad gun. Even though the manual is pretty bad you could have at least read it. If you had you would know where the velocity adjustment is. Alot of problems may also be solved if you went to the web site. Its not difficult to reload if you have 10 round feeder tubes. It is extremely easy to fix the leaking cartdriges...if you know how to use this marker...or actually put some effort into finding out what was wrong like going to the website, you might be able to work this marker and fix some problems. Well maybe im just crazy, but i completely disagree with your review except for the horrible manual.
   

Al_Steel Tuesday, July 12th, 2005 | 4:46 pm PST
tipp98

When I purchased my D68 it came with NO manual. A foldout paper that just listed parts. BFD. Their website had nothing on the D68 at the time and if you can find the D68 manual on their site today, please post the URL cuz I can't find it. I have no tolerance for poor QC and am not apologetic when a company produces a product that should perform out of the box. I shouldn't have to fix their mistakes or compensate for their oversights. I paid for a product that works, not one that needs fixing right out of the box.

I would say that when an INTERNAL cup seal blows, a INTERNAL o-ring for the CO2 cartridge blows TWICE and velocity is set too low out of the box it's a bad marker.

Call me crazy.. but it sucks when you trust a company to deliver a quality product and it falls far short of that expectation. Even worse when you are counting on it. Guess my mistake was trusting 32 degrees.

BTW: I know my way around a marker without a manual. I could have taken all day and rebuilt it from the ground up, better, stronger, and faster BUT by the time the game ended I was so frustrated with it that I just dumped it on the field techs. I can repair almost any marker made given enough time with it. A manual is simply one of those helpful, "attention to detail" items.

The lesson I learned is that I will NEVER again purchase a marker based solely on net reviews. Maybe your experience was better, but I stand by all my comments.
   

Pumpactionman Monday, July 10th, 2006 | 4:23 pm PST
http://www.paintballsolutions.com/05pb_solutions/pdf/manuals
/psychoballistics/delta_68_manual.pdf

Did you even try looking?
   

Al_Steel Monday, August 14th, 2006 | 2:19 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by Pumpactionman
http://www.paintballsolutions.com/05pb_solutions/pdf/manuals
/psychoballistics/delta_68_manual.pdf

Did you even try looking?


You know...I never even thought of that.. :rollseyes: Of course I tried looking. If you read my posts I said "at the time" (2 yrs ago) there was no manual anywhere on the web that I could find.

I think you guys missed my point. It was not a review on the manual or lack thereof. It would have been NICE to have a manual, but not 100% necessary. My biggest gripe was the fact that the marker was trash right out of the box. Yes, I could have fixed it, yes I could have sent it back to 32 degs and in a few weeks I probably would have had a new gun the worked wonderfully. But I needed the gun to work that day for a scenario game and it didn't. This led to a very frustrating and negative experience. I spent a rediculous amount of time trying to get it to work. 3 airsmiths at the field tried to get it to work. I gave that marker every single opportunity to work that day but it defied me at every attempt. I still stand by my review.
   

Sencha Friday, June 27th, 2008 | 7:24 pm PST
Dispute:
It seems that, albeit many problems were encountered, some "flaws" were mere add ons. The notion that the quick release system is clunky or awkward is ludicrous and ironic. Reading the review it seems that, what happens frequently and we have all done it, someone got a new toy and in a moment of haste used it too soon "right out of the box". Doing some research or takeing the gun apart and reassembling it would have likely saved much frustration.
   

waszanz Monday, September 28th, 2009 | 11:54 pm PST
First let me say that this is my first marker.

I bought it 3 years ago when my Army Reserve unit decided to use paintballs for room clearing training, and it works well. Even with cheap ammo...whatever was on sale at the time. It does have a learning curve to it pretty steep at that. Yes the O-ring likes to blow, and from time to time the "quick" release system isnt so quick. But I was more effective with this weapon in the situation I used it in than those with the rifles(including two M4 knock offs). I still use it and look forward to using it.
   

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