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daveyheath Tuesday, July 20th, 2004
The accuracy of this review is disputed. Please see discussion below.
Period of
Product Use:
1 year14 of 51 people found this review helpful.

Paintball
Experience:
2 years
Similar
Products Used:
BE Stingray
Tippmanns
Marker Setup: Spyder Imagine
Shocktech Superfly Bolt
KO barrell kit
12v Revi
CO2
JAVA feed neck
Recommended
Upgrades:
A new barrell
A new bolt
A new feed neck
Oil
Probably new springs
A regulator?
Strengths: You got me?
Electric Trigger?
See review
Weaknesses: Innacurate even with artermarket parts
Gas HOG
Leaks all over
Poor machining
Review: Ok... First off... I am not one of those people who diss Spyders because the're cheap. I try to keep an open mind about everything I try.

To keep a positive note I am going to go over the good parts first. Because the trigger frame is essentially a button, the trigger pull is light. That is nice for shooting fast. And the push button thing is easy to use.

Next... The bad... I got this gun because it was inexpensive and I was hooked on paintball. And from day one it has given me nothing but trouble. When I first got it I went out with a friend and played some one on one. He shot me with his BE from a range of about 35 yards. I was shooting paint like crazy and it was going everywhere but where I wanted it to. So I solved that with a 32 Degrees Whisper ($50). Then, when it got more accurate, it started chopping like no other. I tried to fix that with a 12v. Revolution ($45) and new feed neck ($15), figuring it was a feed problem. It wasn't.

After finally going to some web forum and asking what was going on I realized that the bolt didn't fit the chamber, and so gas was escaping the bolt and traveling up the feed neck. This gas pushed the balls up and so they took longer to come down. On a follow-up shot you would chop the paintball because it took too long to drop into the chamber. If you have a stock bolt take off the back plate and the barrell and stare down the chamber. Even with O rings on I was able to see light around the bolt. This is an example of poor machining and poor design. I remedied the bolt issue with a Shockteck Superfly ($39) which increased accuracy A LOT, stopped some gas from going up the feed tube, and was quite a bit tighter. When I removed the bolt I also noticed a significant amount of wear on the bolt's top. This made me a little suspicious of the actual motion that the internals made.

I recently got out my gun to go play and dry fired it just at the house here. I noticed that there is still gas coming out of the feed neck, and when I put paint in it still chopped. I figure that has something to do with the internal timing of all the parts and the fact that the bolt starts moving back before the gas reaches the paintball. You could probably fix that with something like the 32 Degrees spring kit.

I have also had several incidents when my gun siezed up. The only reason I can think of for that is icing and absence of lubrication. I can rule out icing as the reason because whenever I shoot the gun it the winter it works great. I can rule out lube because I keep the gun well maintained. I oil it well after every time I play and, if it's acting up, even before I play.

As for accuracy? If you want to be able to hit a watermellon at 20 feet... don't get this gun. I recently bought a KO barrel kit and even with the appropriate sized backs I wasn't able to hit anything. The electric trigger makes up for that though, you can throw out 4 or 5 rounds before he gets to any cover. Unless he's out there a ways... Then hell just laugh at you, because you have no range, and shoot you in the face.

Finally the gun itself.

1. The Spyder Imagine is HUGE. This gun is a full 11 inches long not including the barrell. That's Tippmann size. I'm not saying Tippmanns are bad, in fact I love Tippmanns and suggest them to anyone as an alternative to this gun, but a gun with a speedball theme should not be this size.
2. The expansion chamber is a complete hoax. It is nothing but a high volume gas-through foregrip. It has absolutely no baffles or anything to prevent liquid from going into the gun.
3. The velocity adjuster isn't all that effective. Get a spring kit.
4. The gun leaks air around the pin that holds the seal into the gun when fired. That's jsut bad design.
4. The electric trigger system maxes out at 12 or 13 bps. My grandma could max that thing out.
5. The mounting bolts on the trigger frame are loose. You can fix that with a little JB weld though I think.
6. Last but not least. The trigger frame is HUGE. It's almost uncomfortable it's soo thick.
Conclusion: DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES BUY THIS GUN!!

I ended up spending about $150 more on this gun and it still doesn't work well. I am not going to spend another $150 to see if it works better then. Take your $225 and spend it on something else.

I play mostly woodsy speedball but have not found that the IMAGINE has given me enough performance. It's range isn't comparable to tippmanns or even other low end guns, It's accuracy is comparable to a Brass Eagle, and it chops paint soo frequently that it is almost not worth it to even enter the field. I am upgrading to an Autococker within the week and hope it will give me better performance. With the amount of maintanance this gun requires it may be a relief to only have to time the Cocker once in awhile. I am unsure, though, if I may ever get my money back on this gun. I cannot conciously sell it to any of my friends for fear that it may give me a bad rap at the field.

My final reccomendation is to save a little more money and buy a Tippmann. If you are really set on a Spyderlike gun buy buy a Spyder with a mech. trigger and no foreward handle and tweak it. Better yet a friend of mine has a Pirannah and it's pretty nice. Still, the mech. trigger will make you learn to shoot faster, and you can build those dinky finger muscles.

I am soo embarrassed to go onto the field with this gun that I have started using my stock Stingray again. And whenever I see someone with one of these guns I deleberately hunt them down as an easy kill.

I give the Spyder Imagine a 2 out of 10 because it's shootable and probably fixable but sucks with any of the regular upgrades. All those drops and assault blocks and stuff everyone else has is mostly just cosmetic and for personal touch. The gun shouldn't need any of it to operate properly.

And anyone who says I'm a Spyder hater needs to get their head checked.
Rating:
2 out of 10
 

Review Comments
clown_13_2001 Tuesday, July 20th, 2004 | 8:19 pm PST
Your accuracy was so bad because you used a 3a barrel kit. Those barrels are of so poor quality, it isn't even funny.
   

bunkerking420 Tuesday, July 20th, 2004 | 9:20 pm PST
Good review man.........just curious are you using CO2 or Compressed air? If your using CO2 that could be your problem. And living in Montana while shooting CO2 could be a bad thing. Now I don't know anything about Spyders, but a friend of mine (a newbie) wants to buy an Imagine. Would you recommend this gun despite your problems?Let me know. Thanks.
   

happenen Wednesday, July 21st, 2004 | 11:55 am PST
Buddy that seems like alot to right for just given it a 2. If you hate the gun that much why write so much.

bunkerking spyders are really good guns for newbies.
   

bunkerking420 Wednesday, July 21st, 2004 | 7:22 pm PST
Thanks happenen, I was just curious. Like I say I dont know anything about Spyders. I'm a hardcore Autococker fan so cut me some slack. Thanks.
   

kingman89 Thursday, July 22nd, 2004 | 10:26 pm PST
this guy is dumb! i owned my imagine for 4 years with only one chop and i could get 1000 shots off a 12 oz!. this thing was really durable too, if it chopped then just buy an electronic hopper! bunkering, spyders are great guns for a begginer and it wont let your friend down, i currently own an impulse but my spyder was better than the impulse because i had it upgraded like as much as i could so it performed great and stock they also perform great so tell your friend to buy a spyder.
   

bunkerking420 Monday, July 26th, 2004 | 8:26 pm PST
I know some Spyders have problems, but it sure doesn't deserve a 2.
   

paintballtyler Sunday, October 10th, 2004 | 10:07 am PST
spyder hater.... :-D
   

TheRick Tuesday, February 15th, 2005 | 9:13 am PST
I just filtered the reviews down to lowest first, and why is it all of the writers of 1's for this gun seem to have no idea what they're talking about?......................................Retard..........
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Sniper15 Tuesday, March 1st, 2005 | 5:43 am PST
Your chopping could be caused by many factors. What kind of paint were you using? Crappy paint will chop no matter what gun you shoot. Were the batteries in your Revvy fresh? A Revvy is all right, but it's not the greatest. A faster hopper like an Evolution2 would help a lot. Also an ACS bolt would help a lot. Is your gun properly cleaned and lubed? Are you sure you are chopping, or are you getting barrel breaks. Is your velocity too high? If you are using co2 do you have an A/S tube to limit liquid co2 to help prevent velocity spikes? Is it cold outside when you use it? That would cause both bad shot per fill ratio and it would also cause chops because the paint would be more brittle. Bottom line, chops are not always caused by the gun, there are many factors involved and it might not be the guns fault.
Last edited on Tuesday, March 1st, 2005 at 5:44 am PST
   

ronbunkerz#2 Sunday, June 12th, 2005 | 11:10 am PST
this guy is dumb i had mine for two years and it has performed great. Im with you guys such as: TheRick, paintballtyler, kingman89, bunkerking420, and Sniper15. this guy is a complete idiot!
Last edited on Sunday, June 12th, 2005 at 11:11 am PST
   

guitarm112 Tuesday, April 25th, 2006 | 3:59 pm PST
Dispute:
You are completly wrong. Ive had this gun for two years and it has never given me a problem. I havent even upgraded it and its awesom. actually i've gotten an electric hopper but thats all. it is incredably accurate and has a very good range. this is the best gun i have ever had!
   

munky5150 Thursday, April 27th, 2006 | 6:57 pm PST
Did you ever try cleaning the gun when you got it and after you used it. Because I have the same exact gun and barrel and it used to chop like crazy when I first got it. I cleaned it and it chopped once because of a bad ball.
   

LongJohnPeeter Tuesday, December 23rd, 2008 | 6:01 pm PST
Dispute:
Gas comes up through the feedneck on all guns. You cant stop it. The revolution hopper sucks, buy an evolution...
   

Nardz420 Thursday, October 21st, 2010 | 1:56 am PST
My imagine was a very good marker..shoots great, no chopps, accurate I still use the handle..awesome on regular 9v batteries,5 different fireing modes, .. Maybe you just got a faulty gun...You should have returned it and got a new one before dropping 150 on upgrades to fix something broken...Spyder hater ..|..
   

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