Indian Creek Designs BKO, Spyder Xtra, WGP E-Cocker
Indian Creek BKO w/ Halo-B, CP High Pressure Reg, Mitey Max Volumizer, Stock LPR, Stock Bolt, ICD Drop Forward, PMI Pure Energy 88/5000, Freak Barrel and inserts, Vapor Valve
Maybe a barrel kit
Affordable, low profile, light, no chopping paint!
Rate of fire - 9bps
I've only tested my Epic yesterday for a bit, but I thought I'd give some input right away.
I currently have a BKO, and managed to fix a nagging problem after ordering my Epic. I was afraid with a mechanical trigger, that I'd regret getting it and prefer my BKO even after spending $450.00 on the Epic. Not to fear though!!
First the only BAD thing about the marker I could find.... The Rate of Fire. This marker will not shoot 16-20 balls per second.
However, there is so much good with the marker, I don't know that you NEED 16-20 balls per second. The Epic is VERY accurate. Also, it has a great small profile. And, the gun balances will in your hand when you hold it. When you shoot, there is no kick, and I think that is what helps with its accuracy (with a short barrell and without matching paint yet). I can't wait to try my Freak system on it once I get a back for it this weekend (remember, Autococker threads!). I have a feeling once I have this thing chrono'd nicely and with matched paint, I'll be able to pick a fly off a guys mask at 40 yards :p (well, maybe not that accurate, but pretty accurate!). I've even thought about trying a sight system of some sort to really suprise guys in speedball with one or two deadly accurate suprise shots :) Really, it shoots where you want it to, right away.
Next is just the overall construction of the marker. The marker has a great finish, and has a good solid feel to it. It isn't really heavy or light (about the same as my BKO with drop and freak on it), but it is solid when you hold it. Maybe a tad lighter. The grip feels nice, and fits my hand well. It also comes with a CP barrel (mine was .693) and it is diamond finished to match the marker.
I was a little concerned without a clamping feed neck on the Epic, I'd not like it. I've gotten VERY picky about feed necks in the last year. I think they are one of the most important features of any gun. This thing has a metal feedneck, and it has a set hex screw. With that, I had the hopper on like it was glued (with just a slight twist), and it felt BETTER than any clamping feednecks I've used so far. I couldnt believe how effective and nice it was. Also, it has a verticle feedneck now, that is offset just to the right of the marker (on mine anyway), so you can look down the barrel, yet still have the advantage of a permanent verticle feedneck. Really, I can't say enough about the feedneck. It fit my Halo B and my Revy fine. ICE really did their homework there.
Another stock up on the marker now is the "universal trap door". You don't need to fit paint for the trap doors any longer from my understanding. I don't know much about that anyway, but I thought I'd mention it in my review as an improvement in the new 2004 models.
The marker isn't really all that quiet, but it isnt loud either, and the barrel can make a big difference there with porting and maybe with paint matching. It has a "plink, plink, plink" sound, which is really unusually, but kind of nice to hear something different.
So, forget the bagjillion balls a second stuff, get an accurate and dependable marker that WONT break when you need it most and get you hot gun penalties, and tell ICE you saw them here so I get a discount when I buy another one :) hehe
Rich ~ wisconsinpaintballteams.com
I recommend this product to anyone wanting a simple and effective and ACCURATE marker. If you want high Rates of Fire, I'd keep looking... but I think that all the advantages of this marker FAR outway the rate of fire issues. Also, it is rather affordable at $450.00 compared to other markers of the same quality.
One thing, is that this might become a VERY popular scenario marker. It can use Co2 or HPA right out of the box, and it is black and won't stand out in the woods. It is low profile, looks nice, sounds cool, and I'm sure very durable due to so few moving parts.
I'm going to use mine for tourneys though :)
I was able to use the Epic this weekend. I noticed on my 88/3000 fills that it seemed to shoot a pretty long time without needing more fills, but that is a pretty large tank. I did get one neck break when a player tried out my marker (he might have forced it down or something silly and broke it by accident), and it was VERY simple to clean out the breech with just a philips screwdriver. I had no breaks myself, except maybe a few in the barrel, but I might have been short stroking. I didn't have to take my barrel off once on the field all day to squeege.
The accuracy and no kick when you shoot is awesome! Very impressive
Also, the rate of fire was better than I had originally though. I could get a pretty decent stream of paint going, but not like walking a trigger would do. But, I could definately put some pain to peeps when I was playing. I felt very strong about the markers performance!
I definately suggest this marker to anyone who wants accurate shooting, a light marker, a low profile marker, can give a little rate of fire up, easy cleaning and maintenance, 100% reliability, and comfort. Also, this marker was GREAT at the chrono for me. Not sure the problems the other review had, but I was within a 5 fps shooting range (+/- 2.5 fps). That is tight! I noticed less accurracy with 3 year old Big Ball (hehe), but still no ball breaks!
10 out of 10
Last edited on Tuesday, August 31st, 2004 at 12:46 pm PST
Awsome man! I've been following the epic for almost 2 years now, and now that they finally made the Vert feedversion I ordered mine today! Now if he would just finish up the electro version...hint.... hint...
Well, I've had the chance to use the Epic now for open play and practices (no tourney yet). This is what I've found:
1. Overall, the marker is pretty stable. It really is pretty good with ball breaks, but on one occasion with some bad paint, the breaks still did happen in the barrel. Also, I had a couple breaks by the trap door (remember, this was REALLY bad paint). Thus, I found a problem with trying to clean the breach. When the hopper is tighly secured, you can't get in to the trap door area without a screw driver, and now the gun is completely jammed, letting you sit there with no marker waiting to get shot :o. I've considered some thumb screws as a tourney alternative to allow quick access to the breech.
2. Velocity: Well, I was very happy at first, but lately it seems the velocity can still be +/- 10 bps. I'm going to try a complete cleaning of the marker and regulator and see if that helps. I'm not sure where the problem comes from, and it isn't really serious, and could be paint related again. I really guess this could just be me. At times, it shoots very tight velocities. I should just buy better paint LOL.
3. I'm really wanting a drop forward. I'm going to try and make plans here for one and post it if I can get it to work. Check the forums if your interested, but give it until after 1/1/05 for me to try it :o
4. The "Plink Plink" shooting sound can be a little irritating, but not bad.
5. Over the chrono, 8 bps, and that was going faster than you'd probably be able to shoot under tourney strain.
6. It does shoot very straight, and the "no kick" factor is HUGE. It allows you to just put ball after ball in the right place, VERY nice!
7. If balls break, typically it is in the barrel, not the breech. Thus, if you tried a ceramic barrel (for example), you might be able to effectively "shoot through" ball breaks that happen.
8. Short stroking is a problem for me. I've started to overcome it.
9. I love the hex screw in the feed neck. A++++ Better than clamping!
10. Nice stock barrel... I gave it to my bro because I bought a Freak kit. Maybe that is my problem hahaha.
11. I still really like this marker, even with my complaints above. It is more just a warning to expect those issues... but the "no kick" and "boltless" benefits give this marker still a solid punch for the $450-$500 you'll spend.
12. I'm wondering if that synthetic oil included will still cause problems with the delrin trap door. I bet using shocker lube might help some (dow 33).
13. Ball detents! I have balls fall out of the end of the barrel from time to time. That is embarrasing, and leads to a dead shot when you want to start shooting.
14: Air consumption? I really don't know. I use a 88/5000 PMI pure energy, and I always have plenty... but at 8 balls per second.. I don't know if I could shoot any gun down that whole tank.
PS> I HAVEN'T tried to adjust the trigger yet which could maybe help short stroking and rate of fire. Jim is great to work with at the company, and I've been happy with the purchase, although I think this marker would greatly benefit from an electro model that could stop some of the short stroking and improve the rate of fire.
Last edited on Thursday, December 2nd, 2004 at 2:40 pm PST
u can get one at their home page www.icepaintball.com
and Rich4444, i had the same problem with the balls rolling out of the end of the barrel on my Epic too(mine is the same new vert. feed one). It is not the ball detents. Every time the trapdoor closed it pushed the ball out of the chamber on mine before i shot. So i talked to Jim and he sent me a different trapdoor for free that solved the problem. I might be wrong but that's the same problem i had with mine.
Last edited on Friday, January 7th, 2005 at 9:07 pm PST
quote:Originally posted by Pope I have a friend who turned down the trigger pull on his epic and got it up to around 18 bps, he said it was an extremely simple procedure, and he got his epic not long after they came out.
now i don't have one yet but it says that it can get 15 bps as it comes out of the box i bet with precision tools you could get it at max maybe 20-25. Fool around with the trigger see what happeneds As long as the trap door is moving it will shoot a ball. Im getting one after the summer then i will tweak with the trigger and tell how it went.( write a review)
Last edited on Saturday, April 14th, 2007 at 7:42 pm PST