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kangaroodent Thursday, September 23rd, 2004
Period of
Product Use:
1 year4 of 5 people found this review helpful.

Paintball
Experience:
2 years
Similar
Products Used:
•Intimidators: They're slow. Daym slow compared to this.
•Cyborg: Nothing special, an amazingly high quality gun but nothing compared to Angels in my opinion.
•Angels: A Speed and an older LCD are what I've tried so far, the Speed was blazing fast like my current gun, the Angel Force Speed (I couldn't find a better place to put this, but it's basically a Fly). The LCD wasn't anything special.
Marker Setup: Angel Force Speed
24k Gold Plated
Lucky Un1 board
Tadao M6 chip
Evolve Lite kit
Evolve ram
STD low pressure reg with bullet cap
Cobra Fierce frame with Cobra trigger
Cobra v2 bolt
Lazer eyes
Dye Ultralite - .696 with gold tip
Dye Ultralite - .692 with red and black tips
Dye Titanium - .688 with old skool sweetness.
2 pairs of custom grips.
Recommended
Upgrades:
Nothing. There is nothing that needs to be upgraded. The stock barrel is remarkably accurate (maybe get a Poison Arrow barrel if you're breaking paint, I probably will just because it's cool haha), it's top of the line already, it's got a clamping feed, it's got a wonderful trigger, ad nauseum..... If the purpose of upgrading is to get more performance, then you don't need to upgrade this gun at all.
Strengths: •It mows fools.
•Light
•Sexy
•Breakbeam eyes
•Best trigger around
Weaknesses: •Not as efficient as my cocker.
•It's not tinker-proof.
Review: Contrary to popular belief, not every single WDP Minireg is incapable of bringing down the input pressure enough for you to shoot under 300FPS without modification. In fact, most can do it perfectly fine. Mine did. I put the dropforward on the gun, I put the ASA on the drop forward, I put the included macroline fitting on the ASA, I twisted the included macroline hose into some extremely distorted position and then I tuned down the reg, and voila, 250fps.

There was no first shot drop off, there was no chopping, there was no breaking paint (with one exception, probably due to the fact that there was a broken ball in that pod), there was no remorse for the other team. A teammate had to tell me to stop shooting so fast :( Edit, a year later: I dropped my dwell down to 7 and I get some noticeable first shot drop off. The ball will still exit the barrel at a relatively quick speed, but it's still there for sure. Basically, the lower the dwell, the greater the FSDO.

The gun, when aired up and fed paint, will do its job flawlessly. No, wait, that's an understatement. PERFECTLY. Better than you can wish for. I know for a fact that it's not my fingers magically overcoming my 12bps limit when I'm using this gun, but daym, it's fast. The refs tested it, and there was no one shot bounce, but get on the field and the thing becomes a machine gun. It shot my bullets awesome, but then I ran out of ammuntition in my clip. Darn. :( hahaha Edit, a year later: I recently found out that this magical overcoming of my ability to only shoot 13bps is due to my TR setting being high. The higher, the less legal, more or less. Drop it down to 1 to not be hassled at all.

Angel Eyes, well, they're ridiculously perfect. And they're damn bright too :| No chops will ever happen with them.

I was getting about 2-3 pods and a hopper on about 1000 to 1500psi. So, not numbers I'm used to compared to my cocker, but it's nothing to complain about, unlike Evil Pimps or Shockers, say.

The Vernier wheels are the best thing on this gun. Why? Because there simply is no easier or funner way to adjust your trigger. It's fun, because, well, shooting fast is fun.

If you're looking at the decision to purchase this gun in a sensible way, then here is what you need to know:
-With barrel and reg, it's light: 2.75 pounds, and not to mention (with the Force Flys, at least) you get the absolute best warranty in existence.
-Accuracy is amazing with the stock barrel. I wouldn't bother changing to a barrel kit, just buy a cheap Dye Xcel as a large bore barrel.
-Air efficiency is the same as what you'll be getting with, DM4s, HE-equipped Shockers, Timmys, etc. If you wanna tune it a bit more, you could probably end up with Cyborg-like efficiency.
-The regulator is fine as it is in most cases. No need to modify or replace it.
-It won't mess up on you at all.
Edit, a year later: Shoot the gun and then see if you like it more/less than any other high end gun. Then make your decision.

As my closing not, I'll never sell this gun. Ever. It's that good.

Here are some random details that people tend to mess up:
-Angels chop: I've never actually chopped on any Angel I've used.
-Angels need a low pressure air tank: I've never seen one that actually needs one, that's out of about 7 or so Angels. Edit, a year later: That's now out of 12 Angels I've encountered.
-Angel Flys shoot 13bps at highest: Running your LPR pressure at 45psi, yeah, they'll do that. That's why the MTs have decided it optimum to run your gun from 65-70psi. Edit, a year later: I run mine at 50-60psi, and it's perfect. Maybe I'll try to run it higher some day.
-Angels suck: Way to look at it rationally. One lemon in to the thousands of Angels out there makes you think that Angels all suck. And if that's not what makes you think the gun sucks... Then grow up.

Edit, a year later:
This gun still mows, and I've found a wonderful way to make it illegal and then legal again in 2 seconds, much like with a Speedy 2 board:
Turn your TR up to the most illegal setting around. It should be doing essentially the same thing as ramping rite now, which is: Shooting way faster than you can. Now, to turn this off, more or less, turn your eyes off. Tada! You'll now notice your speed is slowed way down. This is as fast as you can actually shoot. Tell me if it does the same thing on your guns, as I have the Euro Speed board and not the normal Fly one on my Force gat.

Another 6 months later...
I've officially maxed this thing out, save for a reg. Evolve ram + Lite kit and definitely the STD LPR have made it a hell of a lot more efficient, I'm getting 4 pods and a hopper off of a 3000 fill on a 45/4500. So basically... <3 this gat.
Conclusion: If you're looking at a Timmy for your high end gun because, well, everyone else has one, I suggest you stray away. The Timmy is an inferior machine compared to the Angel Force Fly. Actually, the Timmy's an inferior machine compared to a Spyder. Oh well. Whatever the case, you will shoot faster than Timmys, DM4s (that's not called shooting, that's called bounce), Impulses, Shockers (though they are pretty fast), Cockers, hell, ANYTHING. You will have about as much, probably less maintenance, than a Tippmann. The main maintenance difference is, these don't have gunked up breaches to clean.

If previous guns you've owned have been unreliable pieces of dog poop, then get this gun. If you have a weak stomach or small paint budget, don't get this gun.
Rating:
10 out of 10Last edited on Thursday, May 18th, 2006 at 6:00 pm PST
 

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Zorath Thursday, September 23rd, 2004 | 7:22 pm PST
It shot my bullets awesome, but then I ran out of ammuntition in my clip

This sentence alone makes me wonder if you've ever even played paintball before, much less had experience with this gun.
   

angel 4 life Thursday, October 7th, 2004 | 3:11 pm PST
YOU HAVE ONE YEAR OF EXPERIENCE AND YOU HAVE THE BEST GUN MONEY CAN BUY?

YOU ARE EITHER A RICH BRAT OR ARE LYING
   

S*tanley Thursday, October 14th, 2004 | 5:32 am PST
id have to agree with him, you don't get this gun and a force speed after one year of experience, start with a pump and actually learn how to play before moving up.
no offense, but one year just isn't long enough to be playing and get this gun.
   

kangaroodent Saturday, October 16th, 2004 | 6:24 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by Zorath
It shot my bullets awesome, but then I ran out of ammuntition in my clip

This sentence alone makes me wonder if you've ever even played paintball before, much less had experience with this gun.

That was one (well, as I thought) completely unmistakeably sarcastic comment.

quote:
Originally posted by angel 4 life
YOU HAVE ONE YEAR OF EXPERIENCE AND YOU HAVE THE BEST GUN MONEY CAN BUY?

YOU ARE EITHER A RICH BRAT OR ARE LYING

Oh my... Rather than be playing with a Maverick when I'm playing against people with DM4s, Aliases and Shockers, I thought it wise that I should get a gun that'll keep up. Snap shooting is quite difficult with a pump gun :rolleyes:

quote:
Originally posted by S*tanley
id have to agree with him, you don't get this gun and a force speed after one year of experience, start with a pump and actually learn how to play before moving up.
no offense, but one year just isn't long enough to be playing and get this gun.

hahaha
You guys make me laugh. I play novice division 5-man, and every game you'll see me past the 50. I kill suckers :) I don't think there was a game last tourney where I eliminated less than two people, and this is league has the best teams in my province playing. I know how to play, and I skipped a lot of steps in the paintball ladder because of that.
Last edited on Sunday, October 17th, 2004 at 11:11 am PST
   

S*tanley Sunday, October 17th, 2004 | 4:38 am PST
IF you say true your one of theose rare people who gets good very fast with a big wallet
   

kangaroodent Sunday, October 17th, 2004 | 11:08 am PST
quote:
Originally posted by S*tanley
IF you say true your one of theose rare people who gets good very fast with a big wallet
hahaha
Rather, I got good by the constant desire to get better. This gun helps, a lot, lemme tell ya, mainly because it works without any problems, but it only does so much. The rest is skill.
   

tapecocker Thursday, October 28th, 2004 | 9:52 pm PST
hey kangaroodent, im not blaming you for having such a good gun so quick, but why be so sarcastic in your review when you know people will complain about it?
   

kangaroodent Saturday, November 13th, 2004 | 2:46 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by tapecocker
hey kangaroodent, im not blaming you for having such a good gun so quick, but why be so sarcastic in your review when you know people will complain about it?
Actually, I didn't know that... Darn. Meh, that's just me. A wonderful sarcastic little brat haha
   

andrewcortez Thursday, November 18th, 2004 | 9:51 pm PST
oh my god dude you talk so much crap about other really great guns (timmys, dm4s) and you proly dont even know how to use this force fly. stop being a noob. damn spoiled little rich kid.
   

andrewcortez Friday, November 19th, 2004 | 3:41 pm PST
oh by the way, timmys are WAAYY faster than angels. ive shot over 17 bps on my timmy with paint on debounce 50 mbounce 5. try testing other guns before you talk crap about them.
   

the arch angel Friday, November 19th, 2004 | 7:56 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by andrewcortez
oh by the way, timmys are WAAYY faster than angels. ive shot over 17 bps on my timmy with paint on debounce 50 mbounce 5. try testing other guns before you talk crap about them.
OMFG maybe you should try testing other guns before talking crap about them. If you think thats WAAYY faster than angels shoot, than you have to be crazy. EVER HEARD OF A LITTLE THING CALLED 31 BPS ? Yeah a full 6 BPS more than the capability of the alias. So the truth is angels shoot WAAYY faster than timmys.
   

Racso Saturday, November 20th, 2004 | 7:51 pm PST
It doesn't matter how fast a gun can shoot, but how fast YOU can shoot. Also,different guns can have different pulls than others. For example, I was with friends just trying each other's guns. I tried a DM4, 2k4 Timmy (I think Naughty Dogs, don't remember exactly what it was), Angel IR3, and a Cyborg. I did best on the Cyborg, but it was also the last gun I tried. Thinking I just warmed my fingers up and walking down, I tried the other guns again. Again, everything was the same. I did best with the cyborg.

In short, it not the gun that matters, but the you and the gun.
   

kangaroodent Sunday, November 28th, 2004 | 1:22 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by andrewcortez
oh my god dude you talk so much crap about other really great guns (timmys, dm4s) and you proly dont even know how to use this force fly. stop being a noob. damn spoiled little rich kid.
Great #&%$ing assumption, dick. Intimidators are limited to 22bps, QUOTED FROM THE GREAT WAS MASTER HIMSELF, and require an entirely ridiculous amount of maintenance, due to their miserable design and horrible quality.
DM4s look kewl, and bounce even more than Timmies. If those are good things to you, by all means, buy one.
   

kangaroodent Sunday, November 28th, 2004 | 1:23 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by andrewcortez
oh by the way, timmys are WAAYY faster than angels. ive shot over 17 bps on my timmy with paint on debounce 50 mbounce 5. try testing other guns before you talk crap about them.
I have. Timmies, Matrices, Shockers, etc. etc. etc. Then I bought my Angel. Timmies are great if you wanna work everyday on a gun that is nothing special.
   

kangaroodent Sunday, November 28th, 2004 | 1:28 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by Racso
It doesn't matter how fast a gun can shoot, but how fast YOU can shoot. Also,different guns can have different pulls than others. For example, I was with friends just trying each other's guns. I tried a DM4, 2k4 Timmy (I think Naughty Dogs, don't remember exactly what it was), Angel IR3, and a Cyborg. I did best on the Cyborg, but it was also the last gun I tried. Thinking I just warmed my fingers up and walking down, I tried the other guns again. Again, everything was the same. I did best with the cyborg.

In short, it not the gun that matters, but the you and the gun.

Good points. I love the Angels' trigger though, and the Cyborg didn't seem to appealing to me :S Personal preference, meh.
   

capt.winky Monday, December 20th, 2004 | 8:29 am PST
quote:
Originally posted by kangaroodent

Great #&amp;%$ing assumption, dick. Intimidators are limited to 22bps, QUOTED FROM THE GREAT WAS MASTER HIMSELF, and require an entirely ridiculous amount of maintenance, due to their miserable design and horrible quality.
DM4s look kewl, and bounce even more than Timmies. If those are good things to you, by all means, buy one.


Kangaroodent i looked at your profile and you are a little kid you were born in 89 you have to be 14 or 15 and your sitting here trying to tell off people older than you, i think that your the dick little rich brat
   

e2eclipse Wednesday, February 2nd, 2005 | 4:18 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by kangaroodent

.....Intimidators are limited to 22bps....


I'm sorry... but timmies are NOT limited to 22bps!!!
   

Freaky Behavior Thursday, February 3rd, 2005 | 6:36 pm PST
theyre limited to 27 bps, 4 bps slower than flies and timmys will never be able to keep up with wdp products, bob long is always a step behind. the new wdp g7 is limited to 49 bps. thats 5 bps more than 2wice of any 2k4, 2k5, etc. timmy ever made.
   

kangaroodent Wednesday, February 16th, 2005 | 7:33 am PST
quote:
Originally posted by capt.winky


Kangaroodent i looked at your profile and you are a little kid you were born in 89 you have to be 14 or 15 and your sitting here trying to tell off people older than you, i think that your the dick little rich brat

Well that's great and all, but do you expect me to just sit back and take some moronic BS? Hopefully not.
And for all the people who think I don't deserve this gat, I just got 2nd place at the Canadian nationals with team Carnage. MUAHAHAHAHHA.
Last edited on Wednesday, February 16th, 2005 at 7:33 am PST
   

Phathed Saturday, February 19th, 2005 | 2:56 pm PST
hey guys LAY OFF the kid, he has an Angel (lucky) hes in a tournament(most likely paying it off with that 2nd place win or sponsored) so back off! And he has the right to be sarcastic every once in a while( but not too much because that gets annoying very quickly)and if u don't like him don't read his reviews!
end off story,have a wonderful day!

P.S. he could be faking the whole thing just to look cool how the heck can you have thirty stinkin angels??????
Last edited on Saturday, February 19th, 2005 at 3:07 pm PST
   
                            
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