None needed, but most of us want some type of upgrade. For me I love drops so that was a must (stock drop is not enuff for me but not bad by any means) and I have found a site that has an aftermarket bolt that is nylon/delrin that I will be buying.
(site --> http://www.mustangpaintball.com/bolts/lesspop.htm l )
You WILL NEED a spring kit, this gun shoots hot out of the box (approx lowest at about 275. Good for outdoor, bad for indoor). I have the Light/Medium spring in mine and it works great. But most folks buy a spring kit anyway. Cheepest and easiest upgrade you can buy.
The stock barrel is not "BAD" but I myself will be picking up a Barrel kit. Either the Empire 10 piece of the CP Full Bore kit. Paint to Barrel matching is one of the MOST IMPORTENT and most often overlooked aspects of Paintball accuracy and reduction in ball breaks.
**EDIT November 18th. 2004**
This gun likes to EAT up batteries. If at all possible (which I see no reason why not) use a 9.6V @ 170mAH capacity rechargable battery. The misfit has a Larger than normal capacitor and it requires a good amount of juice to keep the solenoid from only HALF tripping and striking the sear and cauing a misfire/skipped shot.
Just do a search on: "Paintball 9.6 volt rechargeable battery"
Here is why:
-Actual 9.6-volt @ 170 mAh capacity.
-Will actually out-perform a standard 200 mAh 9 volt battery with higher voltage.
-20 mAh more capacity and 1.4 Volts more voltage than other 9-volt NiMH batteries available.
-The 9.6-volt will operate equipment that other 9V rechargeable batteries will not.
-Same size as a standard 9-volt battery.
-Can be recharged hundreds of times with no memory effect.
-True 9.6-volt batteries. Most commercially available 9-volt rechargeable batteries are only 8.4-volt and don't work well in paintball applications.
Plus the rechargable will save you $$$ in the long run as well. Now from what I have been told my Syndicate on Nov16, 2004 is that they will have the charger and battery available within the next month of so. I myself will wait for it. I don't want to have to open up the trigger frame everytime to recharge. IF you don't want to, any 9.6V @ 170mAH rechargable will do. You will just have to charge it outside the gun.
Give the battery a FULL CHARGE each time before a day of playing. I will also be buying a 2nd batter to have 2 with me (just in case ;-)
ALSO ........ I really like my Empire Re-Loader hopper but find that I am outshooting it with the Misfit , so not that this is a bad thing, but I think I will be buying a feeding hopper (Empire B).
I don't like to take my gun out in the rain and cold winter weather because of the ELECTROINCS, therefore I wanted a backup. I was thinking a 98 Custom but I still wanted the LOW PRESSURE operation of my Misfit, so I bought a MECHANICAL SPYDER trigger frame. So when winter rolls around or the day of play is very wet, I just swap my E-Trigger for my Mechanical one. I loose rate of fire, but I have no fear of ruining my electronics either. Plus, let's say my board goes Poof, well I quick swap to the mechanical and at least I am still playing with my low pressure gun until my electro trigger is fixed. Plus a mechanical frame is MUCH LESS $$$ than a whole new gun for a backup. KEEP IN MIND you will need to buy a drop adaptor to go from the offset syder holes to the standard inline holes of the Misfit for the drop. They are about $10 to $15.
Read my main review in body
Read my main review in body
First off, I am 31 years old and NOT some KID with a new toy. I call the shots the way I seen them ..... Like it or not !!
Also read my comment added to "p8ntboy2000's" review.
MY STYLE: (to compare to your own as reference)
REC Player, outdoor in the dirt mainly. Small local rec tournaments, and indoor speedball tournaments. If I get a crew together, we just play in the bush behind my place with Junk paint from Walmart if I don't have some seconds around. I am a member at a field so I do use my stuff for more than shooting cans in the back yard )
**UNSTOPPABLE WORKHORSE (Tippmann reliablility with Spyder simplicity)
**Air Efficient is UNREAL (at least 800 shots from a small crossfire steel 47/3000. Once again, read my comments and test results under "p8ntboy2000's" review)
**It is Reliable and will give you no worries
**Stock Barrel is accurate and very compatable with medium to large paint.
**Looks FANTASTIC (nice milling and balance)
**PRICE PRICE PRICE .................. Oh yes, and the PRICE !!!
** EDIT ** Jan 7th, 2005
Gun does not come with a charger and Battery as most Spyder and PMI guns do. Although 99% of Spyder and PMI's come with a charger and battery, actually pretty much any marker with a charge port does, the Misfit does not. You can use regular 9v's but I would recommend a rechargable. Read RECOMMEND UPGRADES for more info on this.
Not an issue for me but maybe for others:
**A little bit heavy, but that way it feels like a solid marker in your hand and you know you don't have to worry about those PLASTIC frames breaking. It is all metal baby !! (the weight MAY be an issue if your 9 years old with 2inch arms ..... maybe)
**Shoots hot out of box ($10 spring kit will fix that)
**Maybe lack of accessories, but with this gun, WHO NEEDS EM'. Most stuff like the drop and barrel are all Spyder compatible, so no worries. The bolt was a bit hard to find, but follow the URL I have given you and problem solved. They also told me that the Misfit Charger and 9.6V battery is on the way to your local distributor and a new accessory section on the site is in the works.
**Bit of a kick to it, but not much of an issue. HEY, you got this gun for dirt cheap. Plus stick in a lighter bolt and I am sure the issue will be gone. But even with no bolt upgrade, the kick is a none issue.
BOLT --> http://www.mustangpaintball.com/bolts/lesspop.htm l (Bottom of page)
Here is what the bolt write-up says:
The bolt is made from a nylon-like materaial and is even lighter than delrin. Velocity is increased due to less force required to move the bolt. The bolt has a cupped face to gently push the ball forward. No venturi produces higher flow. No oil, this bolt is self-lubricating like the delrin, but can take moisture and oils without swelling.
** EDIT **
Got my new bold from Bandit Bolts (Fantastic folks to deal with) and it is killer. VERY VERY LIGHT, not flow blocking venturi to bother with. Got it with the O-Rings which do not need lube, just makes a better seat than one without. Cannot wait to Crono and see the difference. Kick of the gun is for sure less now. And you can tell that the craftsmanship in this bolt is top notch.
Mine is a red to black fade and looks KILLER. The milling is killer as well. Kind of looks like the bob long 2002 Intimidators. The anodising job is great. Nothing I can see is out of place and it is of high quality. You can see the Misfit was a labour of love. This gun definatly will get you some "OOOOO's" and some "Ahhhhhhh's" but to be honest, if the gun does not PERFORM, look mean squat..........................Which I will talk about in my PERFORMANCE category ....
STUPID SIMPLE to say the least. No tools required for breakdown. Quick disconnect is a nice cotter pin style rather than a retaining pin that will get lost. I can strip, clean, oil, and re-assemble this gun in under 5 minutes. Like ANY GUN, the better you treat it, the longer it will last.
Chrono was within +/- 4 fps. The stock regulator is FINE infact, I was running the guns reg at 350psi and I am chronoed at 280 fps. I also have a light/medium sypder spring in it to help with the Low Pressure 375psi. I know that normally when you run at a lower pressure it is less turbulance on the ball but it is less gas efficent (so the pro-shop guys around here tell me due to the valvue being open longer), but the boys at MISFIT told me that with their PATENTED LEAK PROOF VALVE... that issue does not apply here. So anyone who dumped the MISFIT regulator for another one may be loosing out simple because they may have not really accomplished much of anything. REMEMBER ... 99% of all regs need a BREAKIN PERIOD. I wounder how it will run once I get the lighter bolt?? One of the guys at Syndicate told me he has this bolt and it running at around 275 psi. THAT IS IMPRESSIVE considering the low price tag on this gun and that it is a sear tripping blow back. I run compressed air so I will not comment on CO2 seeing as how I have no Idea how this gun runs on it. From what I have seen, it runs well on both, but better on Compressed.
This gun will IMPRESS you for it's preformance. VERY LIGHT trigger for sure. It took me an wooping 2 minutes to adjuct to a hair light pull. A little bit of side to side play but it could only be described as MINIMAL at best. I am after running at least 2 cases of paint through this thing and it preformed flawlessly. One day out it was a crappy misty day and the electronics did not give any issues. Using the Draxxux Blaze and Midnight paint, the stock barrel is nice. But really, as long as your paint to barrel is matched well, you can shoot crappy paint well to (oh yes... you will be surprized the difference it makes to have paint to barrel match). At home I ran some cheap Brass Eagle paint (YUCK) and Zap rec paint and it also performed above the standard I expected for a stock barrel (not as well as the Draxxux but hey, what do you want). The REAL test (and I WANTED to push my luck) was dumping UGLY seconds paint into the hopper and letting them rip. NOW, they were not supper accurate, but hey, most of this paint was dimpled, egg shaped, soft spots on the shells and a good bit of it even had shells from broken balls stuck to them. The only breaks I got were BARREL breaks .... NOT CHOPS from the bolt. Yes, even with crap seconds, this gun rocked. Much like my Model 98, I could feed this beast ANYTHING, and it would do what I asked it to, and that is PERFORM WITHOUT ISSUE.
The Full Auto and burst mode are fun to PLAY AROUND with, but that is it for me. 99% of all organized field will not allow it. If you do intend to RIP at full auto, GET A FAST HOPPER. You can adjust you BPS from 5pbs up to 16pbs. It comes as 5pbs deault. Programming the board is also stupid simple. READ THEDIRECTIONS. Anyway, full auto .... BLAHHH. Most fields DO NOT allow it so the FIELD LOCK ability on the Misfit is great. Just stick the jumper on the two pins in the handgrip and you now have dissable you burst and auto mode. ... TO EASY !!
**TIP/TRICK for TRIGGER**
An easy MOD to do is to go to your local dollar store and pick up a pack of that THIN sticky backed rubber furniture leg floor protectors. Now, adjust your trigger to the lightest pull you can. You will notice you still have a LITTLE bit of back pull or tail lag in the trigger. Just shave and trim this little round rubber thingy and stick in behind the trigger on the actual frame. You will now have VERY LITTLE pull forward and back on your trigger. My trigger is INSANE LIGHT.
Like it is not enuff that the gun is outstanding, the customer service at Syndicate is just as high on the scale. I have talked to these guys a few times with just general questions and they talk to you like you have been friends for years. Not like they are doing you a favour and you better make it quick because you're bothering them.
Keith and Neil are the two gents I spoke with and they are great guys. And they do return phone calls. Also spent some time on the Phone with Peter, one of the Owners, and Man oh Man, what I nice guy. I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENUFF ...... CUSTOMER SERVICE IS JUST A IMPORTANT AS THE GUN. And Syndicate, in my opinion, stands at the top of the heap.
BTW, if you find after a while when your firing, it sounds like your gun is not tripping the sear every time (ie light "CLICK" CLICK"), it simply means your battery in the gun is low. ALWAYS USE FRESH BATTERIES. Better Yet, like meantioned above, buy a 9.6v 170mAh rechargable. This goes for ALL ELECTO markers
Well, I have long winded everyone enuff. In short all I will say is "Keep your high priced stuff". I will have this MISFIT for a LONG LONG time. Unless I get sponsored and they GAVE me a high end gun, the MISFIT is my main gun for a good while to come. Evil with a high end gun sponsorship, you can bet your last dollar I would have my MISFIT on the field as a RELIABLE and GREAT PREFORMING backup. WIth that being said, would I go into a HIGH END tournament with my Misfit .............. MOST DEFINATLEY. I can easly walk the trigger to get me at around 12-14 BPS. I am not a SPRAY AND PRAY type of player so I see no need for anything higher. Even 12-14 is a bit much for me. If I wanted to get 20+ balls in the air in a second, I'd just throw em by the fist full :-)
Let's be a bit realistic here, if I am pinned down behind a bunker and hear 10 balls a second rattling off the bunker, I will get my head down and keep it down just as much and just as fast as I would if it was 20 balls a second hitting the bunker. I should buy stocks in Paintball companies so all the guys shooting at crazy rates of fire can help my stocks rise and buy me that new sports car and boat I want.
Now someday, somewhere out there, you MAY get a Monday morning gun. DO NOT JUDGE ON THAT. ALL PRODUCTS have lemons. I have not heard of a MISFIT lemon yet. And if you do, CALL MISFIT, the service is un-parreled and they will bend over backward to keep you 110% satisfied with your product.
NOW, with all that has been said, the factor that seems to ALWAYS be overlooked is THE PRICE. You get a STINK LOAD of gun for a VERY SMALL investment. Now that the sale is over it is back up to $325 Canadian, and to be honest, now that I know the gun, I would have payed that price in a heart beat.
I will give this Marker a 10/10 with no reservations at all. Best bang for your buck (and then a whole lot more) bare none. HUGE PROPS to Syndicate on the creation of the Misfit. Still baffles me what they can produce for that great of a price.
If I missed anything or you have anything to say or add, please leave a comment on my review.
And please, pay MORE ATTENTION to the reviews given by folks who OWN and USE the Misfit on a REGULAR basis. Not the review of folks that fire 20 or 30 balls from it on a TEST and then give a review on a Misfit that probably has not had the LPR adjusted and the Trigger adjusted. 13-14 bps is NOT hard to achieve on the adjusted trigger,
10 out of 10
Last edited on Friday, January 28th, 2005 at 4:40 am PST
u said that it shoots lowest about 275fps out of the box, when i got my misfit which was no more then a week ago i played at my local field and it chronoed at 200fps highest, that is with everything stock though
Hows that trigger tip supposed to work.. i did it to my misfit and it seemed to fire the same. Hey mikey, my gun is stock, and i really want to trick it out. WHAT should i get first??? like what do i need? im alrdy going to get nitro and a halo b but what else do i need?
Last edited on Friday, October 14th, 2005 at 3:38 pm PST
hey just anyone i am new to the sport. i looking into getting a marker i have played a few games with a Tippman 98 and i have put a couple hundred rounds through a spyder E-99 avant, but i was wondering if this would be an ok marker for me to get. because i want a gun that won't break down on me but that is cheap and good looking and that is what this gun is. so please someone tell me.
Can you use Co2 with this marker and still have it perform well? There are really no proshops around here, and Co2 is much more avalible... not to mention cheaper than n2. I would like to get this as a replacement/upgrade from my tippy.
I love the misfit like you said very cheap i replaced the battery as you said and it helped alot... all i really am questioning is the trigger can i replace it? i didint really get what you ment about the dollar store table things... maybe im not used to the trigger but i cant walk the trigger well asnwer please
Wow, I'm impressed this thing looks sick. Looks like an older bob long timmy except it has a way nicer paint job. Just one question does it have eyes? My friend wants a blow back electro but dosent want a mongoose like me and dosent want a spyder.