Automags (HyperValve, HyperFrame, MicroMag, Classic)
Classic Spyder (Before any parts were available)
- Anti-Chop Spring Loaded Bolt
- 70/4500 Centerflag Pre-Set High-Presure Tank
- AGD Warp Feed (Intelifeed link to trigger) with a Classic VL 12V Rev
- custom made 8" Carbon Fiber Small Bore Barrel NO Porting
- Smart Parts 14" All American Large Bore Barrel
- In-Line ASA Extension with Centerflag Gauge for reporting output pressure of the Dragun HPR.
Anti-Chop Bolt if it isn't included with your Dragunfly LCD
CAN'T use Autococker parts.
Spyder Barrels Don't always fit.
Flips into FullAuto.
I've recently gotten back into paintball. Thanks to a decent paying job that I don't need to work weekends. A large part of paintball for me is taking out friends and family with me. And having decent equipment for them to use so that they don't need to be frustrated with poor rental equipment. I have an old Shocker 4x4 that was my main marker before I quit a few years ago. And a few Automags that were backups and loaners. The Shocker 4x4 is a great zero frustration marker for people who haven't played much paintball. It has never broken a ball on me in the breach. Never. Nothing seems to frustrate a new player more then a break. It also has no external moving parts. My problem was if I loaned out the Shocker ... then I had to use on of the 'Mags. With the new trend for more brittle paint to get more breaks on your opponent ... the Classic 'Mags have become virtual paint grinders. That made me dread using the 'Mags, and never want to loan them out. While I wanted my guests to have perfect paintball days ... I didn't want the frustration of shooting a paint grinder for them or for myself. When looking into upgrading my old automags to work with the latest generation of brittle paint (Level 10 Kits + ULE Bodies). I came across an add for the Dragunfly LED for a less then my Automag upgrades would have cost. I was shocked at the low cost for a new closed bolt electro marker. I did a little more research on the Dragunfly and decided to satisfy my longtime Autococker curiosity with a Dragunfly LCD.
Expectations and Goals for my new Dragunfly LCD.
- Get a spare marker that I will be happy to use when I loan the Shocker 4x4 to a friend.
- Introduce myself to the world of Autococker maintenance. After loving the light kick and accuracy/consistency of the Shocker 4x4. I've always been interested in owning the classic closed bolt semi. I have also wanted to teach myself how to adjust the timings of an autococker.
- An Autococker with electro trigger should get rid of the short stroke problems I'd had in the past with borrowed mech autocockers.
- I had plenty of after-market Spyder Barrels that were just sitting in a box begging to be put to good use. Dragunfly's were listed in specs as using spyder threading.
- I'm not looking for something to win tourneys with. I prefer the no stress of paintball for recreation. Tourneys were one of the reasons I stopped playing the first time.
Generic Purchase Info (Shop/Seller and exact pricing details left out to respect PBReview's rules):
I bought the Dragunfly LCD off Ebay NEW for under $250 in Mid year of 2004. Marker was shipped direct from DragunEmpire, but I'm unsure as to Model Year.
The Dragunfly LCD arrives:
The Marker arrived in it's own case with a Parts Kit (I paid extra for the parts kit) and an AntiChop Delrin Bolt (included with my Dragunfly LCD). I quickly swapped out the standard aluminum bolt for the Delrin anti-chop. After placing a 9v battery in the grip, I gassed up the marker. After listening for leaks and hearing none I pulled the trigger. To my surprise, holding the trigger down kept the bolt in the rear position just like a mechanical 'cocker. To my dismay, while holding the trigger down, there was a leak. The leak was coming from one of the small lines connected to the Ram. The hole was close to one of the fittings and I was able to just trim hole off the line and reconnect it. 3 minute fix. Now that the marker was working I proceeded to adjust the timings properly. 10 Minutes later I had a working and timed Electro Autococker. (Check the Autococker forums here on PBReview for information on how to time an Autococking marker. I can't post links in a review) Now I wanted to see how it looked with my 10" Custom Made Carbon Fiber Spyder Barrel ... The barrel didn't fit. After some experimentation I found that the barrel threads are based off the original spyder specs. These are slightly different then the spyder threading most people know. It's very frustrating because most Spyder barrels will almost fit ... I managed to force the 8" Custom Carbon Fiber onto the marker. It was risky ... but in the end it worked great.
The First Outing:
Indoor Airball Field.
Finding that the Standard feed-neck was too small for my spare Rev 12V was disappointing. I knew that I could later sand it down. For now the VL200 fit it fine. I adjusted the firing rate to 6bps so as to not drastically out shoot the hopper. Went to the Chrono. Needed a slight adjustment to get it to 270 (that field's limit). 5 Minutes later I was in a game. With my custom made carbon fiber 8" barrel it was shooting wonderfully accurate and consistent. Field paint was Draxxus(sp?) Blaze. I didn't break a ball. The Anti-Chop Bolt did it's job. One problem I ran into however was that after the second game I noticed that my marker had flipped into Full-Auto mode... The LCD buttons can accidentally be pushed with gloved hands holding the marker. Thankfully this didn't cause any problems. Overall I was very pleased with my purchase.
The Second Outing:
Indoor Airball Field.
I decided to get fancy with it. I placed one of my old warp feeds on it. Same field. The combination of the Warp Feed and the Dragunfly LCD = Paint grinder. I switched to the VL200 again and everything was fine. As it turned out I had a miss aligned powerfeed ball-stack in the Warp. After some dremell tool modifications to the Vertical powerfeed adapter... I decided to try it again.
The Third Outing:
Outdoor field. Bring Your Own Paint.
Tuned Warp + Dragunfly LCD + Zap Spank Paint = Many angry opponents. With the properly aligned ball-stack and a BPS set to 12 max. The setup started pissing people off. With no hopper sitting on top of the marker ... they couldn't hit me. I ran into problems latter in the day when I ran out of fresh Zap Spank and had to start using some old paint (I won't mention the brand since the brand is OK ... it's just that it was old). This outing was also the first day my new girlfriend went paintballing. She was able to use my Shocker 4x4 and it gave her Zero problems. She wants to go again!
Did the Dragunfly LCD marker satisfy my goals?
- I now understand Autococker Timings.
- I have a nice marker to use when I loan out my Shocker 4x4
- I have an Autococker that I can't short stroke (this is a good thing). Disappointing the LCD board does not time the bolt forward motion for me. But something I can live with.
- Some of my Spyder barrels fit (with force) ... but not all.
EDIT: I've since sold the Dargunfly. I'm running Ions and Shoebox Shockers for mains and loaners these days. Before I sold the Dragonfly I played a few outings with a Warp Feed attached. It was great. Been missing the warped Dragunfly lately ... so I'm going to be setting up a warp drive on an Ion soon.
For me: This marker was exactly what I was looking for at the time, and performs to my expectations. But, due to the problems with Full-Auto, the poor choice of old Spyder thread standard, and incompatibility with autococker parts... I'm going to give it a 7.
Recommendation: I have a hard time recommending this marker, however. It leaves no upgrade path due to it's incompatibility with Autococker parts. The Full-Auto issue could keep out out of tourneys. There are other nicer performing electro's with much more standard parts. The Dragun T.E.S. and Dragun TheOne both have a much larger following and more available upgrade parts then the Dragunfly.
For someone who absolutely must have a Closed Bolt Electro, but doesn't have funds for an E-Bladed Autococker. This is a way to go on the cheep. But please, please get the anti-chop bolt. I can't express how many times I saw the bolt pinch but not break balls. With a standard bolt it would have been slicing those balls.
For everyone else in this price range who's just looking for a good mid-range Electro I'd give serious consideration to:
PMI Piranha E-Force EVO 04
Dragun TheOne(My TheONE review will show up in a month or two. A New TheOne is in transit to my door.)
Indian Creek BKO
7 out of 10
Last edited on Wednesday, February 8th, 2006 at 11:15 am PST
nice review. but a autococker lpr and a ram will go right on the marker. if you still have the stock ram, then this ram will accept qev's. when you get the new ram the new pump arm will fit your back block. if you have a older dragunfly, you won't be able to use a cocker ASA. but with some rigging it will work(we planed off the sides and rigged it on mine). the newer dragunfly's have a longer body and will accept the ASA without a problem.
Last edited on Saturday, June 18th, 2005 at 7:26 am PST