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Soul06 Wednesday, October 27th, 2004
Period of
Product Use:
Only tested16 of 25 people found this review helpful.

Paintball
Experience:
3 years
Similar
Products Used:
In this class:
Sypder Electra DX, Tipmmann A-5
Marker Setup: Kingman Spyder Electra DX, Eggy 2, Nitro Duck X-stream, Titanium Boomy
Recommended
Upgrades:
Everything
Strengths: Looks cool
Weight (depens on you)
Cheap
Weaknesses: Everything it claims
Bad Stock barrel (accuracy)
Chops
Less than average Quality
Gas Efficiency
Review: Alot of people with little paintball experience and no real technical knowledge may tell you that this a great marker, that it has great accuracy and a wonderful rate of fire but none of that is true.
The marker does look nice and works average for its class, which is LOW END Electronic markers. But let me dispel some of its myths.

#1 Its boosts about a high rate of fire, somewhere around 20 balls per second. There is absolutely NO CHANCE of reaching that with this gun. When you test it ungased and unloaded it will cycle (click) at that rate but it CAN NOT cycle any more than about 11-12 shots per second in full operation. Honestly no low end blow-back marker will cycle itself faster then 13 BPS without shaking it self to pieces. See the circuitry to reach 20 BPS is the simple part but there is nothing in this marker to compensate for the high pressure and kickback that is produced. You have to consider that you have a relatively heavy metal "hammer" ramming back and forth against your valve and springs. On top of that this marker is probably running somerwhere around 700-800 PSI (and thats just being optomistic about it). If you know anything about physics then you should be able to imagine how much force is being produced. No marker can sustain that kind of punishment...even Angels and Intimidators would fall to pieces under that much pressure which is why high end markers like those are made to operate on pressures below 150PSI and have no internal springs.
Also you have to remember that the pressure form the gas isn't just pushing the paint out of the barrel...some of this pressure is also escaping and trying to push the balls back up through your feedneck and into you hopper (that should be common sense). Again that much pressure is enough to (1) push balls back up into the hopper and cause dry firing or (2) if you have a electronic loader the pressure is enough to hold up the next paintball from falling fully into the breach before the bolts comes back. This equals CHOPPING
(Ask anyone with real, technical paintball marker knowledge and they will agree)

#2 Claims of excellent accuracy. NO...the barrel has average honing, which for a true paint-baller means poor or horrible honing. (Honing is the finishing/polishing process done to the inside of a barrel to make for the least amount of friction)
Poor honing means more friction, more friction means slower paintballs and that very likely will lead you to paintball barrel breaks.

#3 This marker is not made for low pressure operation. It will eat up alot of your gas, CO2 or HPA. You can upgrade your internals; hammer, regulator, valve, springs etc. But honestly for all of that it may be better to start off with a little higher priced but much better quality marker.

Other possible issues:
Weight -but that is really dependent upon you. Personally weight has never been much of an issue to me.

High Profile- meaning its not the smallest marker, though not the biggest either. With hopper and gas attached it makes for a good/ easier spoted target
Conclusion: Well if you scroll to the top you'll read alot of lies and sales crap. Claims like, "The Mongoose slashes into the paintball industry with one of the best paintball markers worth more than its current cost!" and "...more reliability and greater performance than we can possibly stress. Try one of these guns for yourself, and watch how the Mongoose can Tear Them To pieces!"- good sales tactic. I'm sure it would catch/fool some newbie out there going paintballing for their first time and/or a newbie just dying to have his own marker. Like what happened to me my very first time playing. But understand this one thing...YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!!

For $200 for a marker from your local Sports Authority, Walmart or where ever, probably comes with some offer like "Mask, 16 oz. CO2 tank and gloves Included"...what you are paying for is never quality. And it would be a miracle if it lived up to any of its performance claims. Remember this high end, high level guns that actually shot 20-25 or more BPS, never chop, have excellent accuracy and are gas efficient cost anywhere from $850 to $1500 and can only be purchased either online or from an actual "paintball store"...so do you really think that you are finding a marker even half as good as those at your local commercial sporting goods store (ie Modells, Walmart, Sprots Authority etc)...and even more do you think they would be that concerned abuot you to give all that extra "stuff" as well.
One more time...YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!! and in paintball $200 aint paying much.

What iIwould recommend to anyone looking for a beginner / rec level quality electronic marker in the $200-$300 price range then deal with a Kingman Spyder: Electra, Electra DX, E-99 Avant or a Tippmann A-5. I you are willing to pay alittle more, maybe $300-$400, then look at the Spyder Fenix, Tippmann A-5 flatline w'/ e-grip or response trigger or perhaps one of the JT models (though I haven't tested those).

But any electronic marker for under $200 (especially if it comes with any extra paintball equipment)....complete waste of your money. Its only worth it if you Absolutely Insist on having your own gun for your day of play and dont want to spend much.


Rating:
4 out of 10
 

Review Comments
skip39 Wednesday, November 10th, 2004 | 7:38 pm PST
i found your review interesting. I to was disappointed at my mongoose in its first two months of having it. By the way I am not a newbie. I bought it as a project and know am playing with it the odd time. When you first get the gun I will agree it sucks but after a while of tweaking with it I found it to do a good job. To let you know you can not get this at walmart but only at real paintbal stores. After changing parts and trying this and that i could finally get it to 14bps. No I am not lying I tested it. i would also say that an Electra would be a good choice but this gun works well two. But it is a good review and i think if you got to use this gun a little longer and work on it like me you would learn to appreciate it.
   

Soul06 Thursday, November 11th, 2004 | 11:27 am PST
quote:
Originally posted by skip39
To let you know you can not get this at walmart but only at real paintbal stores. After changing parts and trying this and that i could finally get it to 14bps. No I am not lying I tested it.

Alright I will give it to you that you can't get this at Walmart, I went out alittle to far with that one but I have seen it at Galyans which is basically a store just like the Sports Authority. And as for the 14 BPS...I can see it doing that but never, as I am sure you already know, is this thing going anywhere near 20BPS
   

skip39 Thursday, November 11th, 2004 | 2:07 pm PST
You are right, there is no way that it can do 20bps. No low-end electronic marker can do that without some damage. Unless it is all new parts other than the body frame.
   

GtheHR Sunday, November 21st, 2004 | 4:27 pm PST
I liked my mongoose when i had it and i didn't see it necessary to go 20 bps... but they shouldn't have even try to say it can do it. Although I disagree with the rating you gave this gun, you made a great review and I respect your opinion... now for some of those people who told us what his "sponsored friend" said instead of what he himself though... well, i don't respect his review at all.
   

salivatingdonky Sunday, December 19th, 2004 | 9:32 am PST
NOOOOOOOB HOW THE HELL CAN YOU SAY THAT THIS IS ANYWHERE LIKE THE A-5 YOUR ON CRACK THE A-5 IS MECHANICAL THIS IS ELECTRONIC.
   

M-80 Tuesday, January 11th, 2005 | 6:42 pm PST
you totally exagerated, dude, i mean come on, of course it doesent do as good as an $800 gun!! thats why it doesent COST $800. if you want to shoot 20bps, buy a timmy. its not fair to compare this low-end marker with a high-end one. there not in the same class so you shouldnt expect it to performe like they are.
   

Toan32 Wednesday, February 2nd, 2005 | 6:29 pm PST
I put my mongoose on lucky 13bps and it has chopped maybe 4 times. I've had it for almost a year and I use a $5 hopper!
   

smallfeet31 Sunday, May 8th, 2005 | 10:21 am PST
actually i also have tested the mongoose lcd and yes it can do 20bps if u put it on full auto and set it to 20 bps and hold it for ten seconds it will shoot very close to 200 times in 10 seconds which is equal to 20 balls per second. i have tested it gasesd up and i also tested it by letting it cycle through with the clicking sound i swear on my life i am not lying. but when i shot it at a target on 20 bps full auto it chops alot of the balls if u dont clean it out after the first one is chopped.
   

j-man19 Tuesday, July 25th, 2006 | 10:45 am PST
amen on the review brother.. this gun cannot shoot 20 without chopping absolutley everything the bolt is close to, and i would know this because im not a noob. any experianced player will feed u the same thing, this gun is lucky to evn hit 12 without chops

if ur giting a gun in this price range, i would go with pirahna, they are good for what u pay for

a pirahna was my first gun and it shot fine for me back then
Last edited on Tuesday, July 25th, 2006 at 10:47 am PST
   

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