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SocraticB Tuesday, January 25th, 2005
Period of
Product Use:
Less than a month35 of 38 people found this review helpful.

Paintball
Experience:
More than 5 years
Similar
Products Used:
Race Frame - harder to tweak at the field, solenoid vulnerable.
Most Mechanical Frames - slower and can shortstroke, can chop (no eyes).
Marker Setup: 2004 Karnivor with E2 and stock Karnivor pneumatics (incl. STO ram, QEV's and delrin bolt).
Strengths: FAST!
No chops!
Easy setup.
Encased solenoid.
Weaknesses: Price.
Upgrades necessary to use on lower-end 'cockers.
Review: I received this E2 already installed on a 2004 Karnivor, and have had no problems whatsoever with it.

I will break up the review into the following categories:

STRENGTHS

I. Packaging and Documentation

I can't comment on packaging as I had mine pre-installed. The documentation, however, is the best I've seen for any paintball product. Eclipse provides a thick, well-written manual that covers installation, setup, use and maintenance with clear instructions and glossy color pictures. It is clear that a lot of money was spent on the development and publication of this manual, which is the gold standard for the rest of the paintball industry to follow.

II. Installation

I can't comment on installation as I had mine pre-installed. However, having reviewed the installation documentation, it would only require about an hour of my time to install. Those unfamiliar with 'cockers would take another hour or two to install. Professionals could get it done in under and hour.

III. Fit and Finish

The E2 is several steps ahead of the E1 and the Race in this category.
- The cocking solenoid on the front block is entirely encased in a metal manifold, so damage is less likely from a hit
- Tthere is no pin to fall out of the grip as in the Raceframe (HUGE PITA)
- The trigger guard is large enough for three fingers to easily walk the trigger
- The LCD display is clear and bright, and
- The frame can take both reflective or break-beam eyes, as you prefer.

The anno, plating and design are all top-notch; no mill marks, thin anno or other problems. The grips are solid, tacky rubber; the logo and aesthetic design of the grips is a little toned down from the E1. There is little to no play in the trigger, and all parts fit and work as they are supposed to.

IV. Setup

My E2 was setup when it was installed, so I did not have to go through the process. Again, the manual provides very clear instructions, and the factory settings appear to work just dandy. The "Training" (air only to the pneus for cocking) mode is a great idea and lets you get used to your marker without too much noise or air consumption. The "Classic" (back block stays back if you hold in the trigger) is useful for tweaking your LPR pressure.

V. Menus

The menus are easy to navigate and read; the LCD display is clear and bright. Eye controls, counters and timers are easily accessed. Setup controls are accessed after you take off the grips and push a button on the board; this is to prevent cheating, I suppose. Setup menus are also easy to navigate and use.

VI. Trigger

The E2 sports the Samurai trigger with three set screws for pre- and post-travel adjustment as well as actuation adjustment. The trigger set screws allow for a VERY short travel when properly set up. The trigger has no discernable slop or play. The magnetic return is not as snappy as a hard trigger spring, but gives plenty of tactile feedback, and returns quickly enough for the 17bps that I've achieved; I'm sure it returns quickly enough for much higher ROF. The large trigger guard allows for three fingers to walk the trigger in comfort.

VII. ROF

The ROF is just plain silly, and is attributable to the design of the frame and trigger more so than the electronics. Anybody can produce a marker that is capable of reaching 26bps in the hands of pros, but it's much harder to produce a marker that allows people with average trigger fingers to achieve high ROF. Planet has produced exactly that; a grip that makes it easy for my slow fingers to reach 17bps. My Viking is supposedly faster than a 'cocker with an E2, but I can easily outshoot my Viking with my E2 Karni. The three-finger walk is easy to accomplish on this marker.

VIII. Accuracy

Accuracy is hard to gauge for a grip by itself; the critical factors are kick of the marker, how unstable your hand is when pulling the trigger and the paint/barrel match. I can say that my Karnivor has only a little kick with the E2 on it, and the E2 requires little hand motion to fire quickly and contributes to a stable shooting platform. Accuracy won't change on your marker at low ROF, but at high ROF you may notice an improvement.

IX. Bounce

Wtih the TT filter on, I have no bounce whatsoever. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. ZERO BOUNCE. I tried very hard to make it bounce, and couldn't. I'm sure with the TT filters on low or off altogether that you can make the E2 bounce, but you'd have to take off the grips to change the TT settings (i.e. hard to do if you're intent on cheating on the field). This is a huge improvement from the E1. 'Nuff said.

X. Eyes

I have the standard reflective eye installed, and did not chop, even at 17bps, with darker-shelled Blaze, medium-shelled junk paint or lighter-shelled Polar Ice. Eye sensitivity is easy to set, and a gauge is available on the LCD screen to show you where it needs to be set depending on ambient light, paint color and bolt color. There were no problems experienced using a Halo B or an Apache. Break-beam eyes are available for those who must have them, but I'm not sure they're necessary.

XI. Battery Life

Based on the battery life so far, I am on schedule to use up one Duracell standard 9v in about 20,000 rounds. A HUGE improvement over the E1.

XII. Feel

The size, weight, grips and overall feel of the E2 is, to me, perfect. Much better than the Race; however, this is a subjective matter, and everyone will need to try both for themselves.

XIII. Support

I haven't needed any support, but Eclipse appears to provide great support. There are certainly enough Eblades out there that the forums are full of people with helpful advice. Raceframes are less common than EBlades, and there are limited Race dealers in the US. Eclipse is everywhere! Eclipse seems to have the edge over Racegun here.

WEAKNESSES

I. Cost

The E2 is about $450 new no matter where you go, costing as much as some solid mid-range markers. Used, you can get 'em for $375 or so as of mid-2005.

But the cost doesn't end there; you can't just buy it and slap it on a stock 'cocker; it requires some very high-end parts to work well. You need a high-flow valve and LPR, an extremely smooth ram, and a delrin bolt and light back block to get the best performance from this grip. These upgrades come stock on high-end 'cockers (Karnivor, Eclipse, Belsales, etc.), but will cost a pretty penny (up to $300 if bought individually) to put on a lower-end 'cocker.

And yet, it is SO very worth it.

Edited 05-11-05 to update price used and clarify some statements.
Conclusion: I don't like giving 10's, but I have to here. There are no weaknesses to the E2 at all. Fast, easy to use, no bounce, no chops, no shortstroking, easy to install and maintain. It's everything I want in a marker; I am selling my Excalibur and using the E2 Karnivor for both field and tournament play.

The only limit I see is price; $450 new/$375 used is steep for many people. However, buy an E2, Docs' Fastback body w/internals and bolt ($325), a Nexus or Belsales ram w/QEV's, a high-flow valve (Tornado!) and an LPR (Rock!), and you have a 'cocker that will compete with the best $1500 markers out there for $900.

If you are upgrading your current marker, you will need a very good ram, QEV's, a delrin bolt and preferably a light back block and titanium arm, as well as a high-flow valve and LPR, to get the most out of this grip.

Best upgrade for a 'cocker, and worth every penny. Period.
Rating:
10 out of 10Last edited on Wednesday, May 11th, 2005 at 7:08 pm PST
 

Review Comments
peteyjared3 Wednesday, February 9th, 2005 | 4:44 pm PST
Beautiful review. The sectioning and Roman numerals made it easy for my ADD-riddled brain to stay focused. I think I need to take out a loan from my parents to get this baby and slap 'er on my Outkast. Thanks, man.
   

.:{}:. Sunday, February 13th, 2005 | 8:04 pm PST
your review is so awesome
   

Smart Paint Tuesday, February 22nd, 2005 | 6:31 pm PST
This review was exceptional! Very well-written (thorough), well-organized, and covers every aspect of a review. I was thinking about purchasing an Eclipse E2 for my future W.G.P. Prostock autococker, and you have convinced me almost 100 percent (%) to purchase this frame for my future marker. I'm going to try to get a job this summer to help earn back some money from purchasing this frame. Again, this was an outstanding review. Have fun paintballing, and play safely.

- Smart Paint
   

siwmarkie Thursday, February 24th, 2005 | 6:28 pm PST
"But the cost doesn't end there; you can't just buy it and slap it on a stock 'cocker; it requires some very high-end parts to work well. You need a high-flow valve and LPR, an extremely smooth ram, and a delrin bolt and light back block to get the best performance from this grip. These come stock on high-end 'cockers (Karnivor, Eclipse, Belsales, etc.), but will cost a pretty penny (up to $300 if bought individually) to put on a lower-end 'cocker."


So will this work easily on my Mini Orracle easily? Or will I have to buy those new things?
   

avm617 Sunday, February 27th, 2005 | 6:08 pm PST
definitely, your review was great, i am seriously thinking about getting one of these for my outkast but i do agree w/ what u said about the price i cant find it anywhere for anything cheaper than $450.
   

darktrigger666 Thursday, March 10th, 2005 | 12:41 pm PST
great review i wish i could write mine but for soem reason m computer says i have already typed one. o well i heard now you can get them for around 395.
   

Dirtypaulie187 Sunday, March 20th, 2005 | 7:23 am PST
I got mine for $375.00
   

Ryguy5989 Friday, March 25th, 2005 | 2:12 pm PST
I'd have to agree with you about the hard to cheat on the field part. Its a pain to take the grips off every time you want to change the TT and timing, but hey its for the better cause.
   

punkdrummer9 Saturday, March 26th, 2005 | 5:49 pm PST
Very good review, way to be thorough. Only thing i have to say is this: Karnivores do not come stock with E2's, they come with Worr Blade trigger frames. Other than that, good job!
   

SocraticB Saturday, March 26th, 2005 | 7:15 pm PST
Haven't been paying attention, so I apologize for not replying/answering sooner.

punkdrummer9: The E2 on my Karni is an upgrade; I understand the new Karnis come with a WorrBlade that has upgraded software; but I agree that the full-on E2 does not come with any Karni to date.

siwmarkie: It should work on your mini Orracle; however, the question isn't the parts, its the body. I understand that mini bodies don't have enough of an internal air chamber to maintain consistent pressure during rapid fire. Since you WILL rapid fire with an E2, I'd suggest avoiding mini bodies. I may be wrong however; check the boards for more info on e-framed minis to make sure.

Smart Paint, .:{}:. and peteyjared3: Thanks for the kind words. I've spent a LOT of unnecessary cash on paintball equipment, and I hope I can help some players avoid my mistakes. 'Course, I'm a paintball gear addict, so I'm still doing my 12 steps here . ..

SocraticB
   

totalblackness Monday, July 4th, 2005 | 10:14 pm PST
A good upgrade with the E2 would probably be the Nexus Internal kit. Has everything you need. Only about 160 or so. Also the Nexus LPR, $60. That should bring your cocker up to it's full potential.
Last edited on Monday, July 4th, 2005 at 10:23 pm PST
   

A-BOMBER Thursday, September 1st, 2005 | 6:01 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by avm617
definitely, your review was great, i am seriously thinking about getting one of these for my outkast but i do agree w/ what u said about the price i cant find it anywhere for anything cheaper than $450.
There selling them at sak world paintball for $300 new and at paintball gateway but I think every knows considering how old this thread is right?
   

Lyxtwing Monday, September 5th, 2005 | 9:24 pm PST
They are on sale for a bit. From what I hear they will go back up on oct. 1st, but I could be wrong.
   

naughtydawg63 Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005 | 11:15 pm PST
it aitn that much money fool you got ripped off cracka
   

drtalent Friday, December 2nd, 2005 | 2:25 pm PST
220 now
   

entress88 Thursday, January 5th, 2006 | 8:48 pm PST
i just recently got my eblade for 220 shipped off of ebay
   

marmot Monday, November 13th, 2006 | 3:45 am PST
Awesome review. And accurate, as I have an E2 on my (Super)stock.

You're totally right about the cost of other upgrades, but here's the point: you can start with a good cheap marker (Prostock) and as you get the money together, gradually upgrade your way to an Angel-killer for at least 30% less than an Angel, so the cost is not such a disadvantage - just something to be aware of.

Shame PlanetEclipse stopped making them.

   

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