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Tabris17 Friday, January 28th, 2005
Period of
Product Use:
Less than a month5 of 6 people found this review helpful.

6 months
Products Used:
Spyder TL-X
Marker Setup: Spyder TL-X, Boomstick 14" spyder thread
Raven Primal, Boomstick 14", Crossfire 45/4500 high output, Evo II
Regulator, Barrel, Drop forward
Strengths: Fast rate of fire, tournament quality, doesn't chop.
Weaknesses: Regulator, drop forward, gas hog, heavy, too pricey for what it is, ASA.
Review: I was finally able to play with my Primal after a week of bad weather and I am pleased with it overall but do have some issues with the marker.
First, it's rather nice and stylish and the eyes are a very nice touch. I didn't actually play with the eyes on during the time I played but I only chopped one ball out of one-thousand. Mainly because I was fooling around with it on full auto at a target. It's also very accurate, fast, and decently quiet enough for me. It kept up with the DM4s' and Timmys I was playing against, so I didn't feel like my shots were wasted at any time or I was dragging the team down.
With the speed though, I went through balls like no tomorrow. I've never used this many balls before and you definately need a fast hopper. I actually need to upgrade the Evo II to keep up, which I suppose is a good thing for most people that it can fire that fast.
As I said before it doesn't chop, but I didn't use the eyes so I really can't say anything about that. But one chop out of a thousand I think is just amazing. Not to mention it's a delrin bolt for those who like those, but it is a spring return at the same time. And for what it is, the stock barrel isn't too crappy. I let my friend use it on my TL-X and he was shooting rather well and accurate with it, a few wild shots on it but pretty impressive for a stock barrel.
I do think the drop forward needs replacing, it just doesn't feel really sturdy when you unscrew your tank. Something about it makes me want to change it for a nicer one as most people do anyway. The one nice thing about it is the fact the bolts are in a straight line, not off in the corners like other Kingman models so you can pretty much put on any drop forward you like and not have to restrict yourself to only a few models.
I did have problems with mine though, out of the box with no tweaking it was shooting anywhere from 235-320 at the chrono. Absolutely horrid that it would fluctuate that badly, even with a consistant Crossfire tank on it. I went to the airsmith to get the spring trimmed, which of course I couldn't because of the set up it has. That's when the problems started, I waited a good 45 minutes for him to tweak it and fix it so it would fire since something happened with it, I think the pressure dropped for some strange reason. After a while he did fix it and it fired fine at about 200 psi, even though it should be higher.
Shooting at 200 psi didn't bother me do much, just going to have to change out the regulator. Seeing as it also started leaking on me because the bolt jammed forward do to rapid firing, it only happened once though and I think it was one of those freak little incidents. So the regulator definately needs to be replaced seeing as it drops to 0 before recharging to 200, granted it's only a fraction of a second but the reg just -has- to be changed to stop this so it fires consistantly.
Last thing I didn't like, it's a huge gas hog. I must have refilled my tank a good five times over three hours on a 45/4500 tank. The tank is rated for around 700 shots before a refill, more like 200 with this thing. I think the regulator being changed would really correct this problem though but only time will tell.
Another thing is the ASA, it's crappy. It's the exact same one they use on all the other models and it works fine, for the most part. Except that when I fire my first shot or two, the tank starts to unscrew itself and I have to tighten it again otherwise it just doesn't fire obviously. So I have to waste time and retighten it before going into a match or risk having the tank fall off, bull crap. Needs to go.
EDIT: I recently contacted Kingman about the problems I addressed in the review, mainly about the Regulator and Gas usage problems. I received an email back with some rather good news, here is the email in it's entirety.
---"Our technicians have come up with ways to improve the performance and efficiency of the Raven Primal, if you would like us to perform a performance enhancement service on your marker all you have to do is send your marker in via UPS or FedEx and the service will be free of charge. Make sure you include a short note describing the markers performance. Also include all your contact information, so that our technicians can contact you if need be."----
Of course, what these changes are exactly aren't really known to me but it's still good news in my book considering this is a FREE service by Kingman. Despite all the problems that people complain about with Kingman products, at least their customer service is A+ in my book.
FINAL EDIT: Okay, turns out the Primal wasn't as good as I thought after a while. One, it's bigger/longer then other markers and it's heavy as anything. I thought my TL-X was heavy, well the Raven feels like it's a good pound to a pound and a half heavier. And after much more research and thought, I have to agree with SilentButDeadly, good gun but defiantely not worth the money. Especially for the work you would have to put into it such as sending it in for a performance tune up. You can definately find something better out there especially with the Ion and Diablo Wrath out now.
Conclusion: Overall I really nice gun for those who can't afford a Timmy or those higher end guns. Nice feel, stylish, definately turns heads when you bring it out and people haven't seen one. Most importantly, in my opinion, it can keep up with those higher end markers but needs tweaking to stay on par. The regulator -has to be replaced-. The stock regulator is just crap the way it fluxes, get one that is more stable, I'm thinking an Evil Detonator for mine personally.
A very nice stepforward for Kingman but it falls just a little bit short in the quality. And it's too heavy and bulky, not worth the money at all sadly.
6 out of 10Last edited on Friday, April 29th, 2005 at 7:50 pm PST

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No-MercyPBMike Saturday, April 22nd, 2006 | 12:52 pm PST
thanks for all the information

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