Dm4 for speedball
C98 decked out when I play woods
Drop of choice with mirco line kit
operates on everything
the drop down
lack of upgrades
trigger gaurd space
My friend just got one of these and I had the chance to fire it. I will play a round or two with it today as well to get some in game incite. I want to write an honest review of this marker that covers everything that no one else has so far. This maker is a GREAT beginner marker ... and a very good intermediate marker. Maybe the only thing that can compare is the ION but I have not shot one of those yet. So let me break it down for everyone.
Fast ... not as fast as TRUE high end markers. Everyone says 20bps CAPABLE. Yes the boards are CAPABLE, but can it be done easily. The Wrath's board might be "capable" but you are not going to shoot as fast as easily as you can with a true high end marker. I can't shoot 20bps on my DM4 (how many manually can), but I can rip around 15 pretty easily. I may have reached 10-12 with the Wrath. It's DEFINITELY not a Spyder, but it's not as "easily" fast as true high end markers. I am sure with some tweaking you can make it easier to rip on. You definitely get the speed with this marker though.
The Eyes .... what can I say, dual break beam, the best eyes to have, and these were working as well as the eyes on my DM4. Awesome. The grip neck is easy to use and really tightens your hopper down (except a VL Revy). These two features alone make the Wrath worth the purchase. And another great thing is this Marker operates on ANYTHING. High pressure HPA, Low pressure HPA, and even Co2 for the rec ballers that can't afford HPA. I put it to the test with the Co2, and wow. It ripped pretty nice with decent consistenty. But after shooting streams of 10, 12, 13, 14 bps for a minute the reg was freezing up. So I wouldn't try shooting this marker as fast as you can in a game while using Co2. It shot much better with the HPA. Shot great even with the High output tank. So those asking ... getting a low pressure tank would probably be a little easier on your reg, but it operates fine on a high output tank as well. The reg is definitley a strength, even comes with a gauge to show your output pressure. Another plus you are not use to seeing on a marker this price.
The problem I had that hindered my "ripping" ability with this marker is the small amount of space between the trigger and the gaurd. It is a small, tight, compact marker ... but I wish they found a way to allow a little more room inside the gaurd. The trigger seems a little short to my liking as well, but that is maybe more of a preference. It didn't feel as smooth as I am used to and was hard to "sweet spot" I would probably change the trigger out.
The stock bolt works really well and makes it extremely easy to strip your marker down and clean in seconds. If it were derlin, this would be up in the stregnths. Not a bad bolt at all, but come on derlin should be stock. The other "stock" piece that bothered me was the drop down. It's not a bad drop down ... but it's got that big braided steel hose instead of a micro line kit. Again this is preference I guess ... but how many "HighEnd" markers have steel hoses ... exactly. Not only that, but you can't fit a micro line kit on it without changing the drop (or getting a converter fitting) because the reg and the drop are threaded differently. A bit frustrating, luckily I had a nice short drop and asa that we were able to throw on my buddy's Wrath along with the micro line. It dropped the weight a little more, leveled the marker out, and improved the looks even more IMO. A nice SHORT drop FORWARD is reccomended.
There are a couple more things. The KICK is pretty strong. When using the Co2 I though I was shooting my C98 w/RT. It was less when using HPA ... just another reason to get HPA. It's not THAT much more than Co2 when you break it down over the long run ... so newbies just drop the Co2. The last thing is the lack of upgrades. Yea it sucks. People are saying Timmy bolts fit this marker ... show me which one. The closest thing I have seen that looks like it may fit is a Stubby Impulse bolt. Diablo needs to get to work themselves and with other companies and get some upgrades for this baby, mainly a nice bolt or a new trigger frame might be nice.
I took my friend with me to the indoor field I play at here in Tampa and we tested the Wrath out. I played a game or two with it and was impressed. I gotta say with the short drop we added the weight is awesome and the profile is tighter than my DM4. The trigger is still not as smooth/fast as true high end markers, but I adjusted it further for him and this next Sunday I am sure he will be able to rip another ball or two per second faster. He's a newb and already rips faster on the marker than I can as he has the sweetspot on the trigger down pat. He used my boomstick off my old cocker and it was very accurate, more so than the stock barrel. At the end of the day I broke my marker down and gave him my 14" ultralite and he shot out 2 tourney guys and one decent recballer while himself, playing with two "chumps" in a 3on3. Marker is SUPER accurate with a nice barrel. He was dead on accurrate hitting one of the tourney guy (actually GIRL) on the knee cap when she very slightly over slid her bunker. Why the UL is my barrel of choice. Got home and he broke it down completely to clean (we got pretty dirty playing from 11am-8pm) it as well as get a feel for how it worked and was set-up. He's a newb, remember, and he did this no problem. Shows it's very user friendly. BUT he had to replace every o-ring on the marker and one ball dentent was toast ... which is probably why he chopped twice in our day of play. The o-rings I'm sure; a result of our Co2 test (newbs get HPA). (*note the stock o-rings are the cheapest I have EVER seen*) Hopefully that won't be a problem again since he runs HPA and we only tested it with the Co2. No one carries Wrath ball detents (locally at least) since they are made strictly for the Wrath and I had to search around at ACE Hardware to find a couple of o-rings for him that the scuba and paintball shops did not have. Called Diablo and after a day of trying he got a hold of someone. They are sending him replacements at no cost and he was told they would do their best to have them here by Saturday so it will be ready for Sunday play. A good sign for those worried about customer service. I don't know why companies go to the trouble to make the feature components of their markers good quality, then skimp on the cheap stuff like o-rings, ball dentents, allen keys, etc. Why not throw in extra o-rings, ALL proper allen wrenchs, ball dentents, some lube ... heck charge an extra $5 if you want to ... but that stuff should be stock. (This is directed at some high end markers as well, it's not just the Wrath, but it is one more "weakness") So if Diablo and the other companies are reading ... listen to what I just said. Believe it or not this is one reason I chose a DM4 over other markers and ONE reason it is a better VALUE over markers in the same price/performance range. Why should people have to worry about searching and buying or even calling in, for replacment 60 cent orings and ball detents for their marker they shelled out hundreds of dollars for. It urks me more than anything. Again this is not just Diablo ... all the marker manufactures know who they are. Anyways this is more info for those considering a Wrath. It's still an 8 overall and still the best value in my opinion even with the weakness (which ever marker has)
Diablo informed my buddy a new bolt will be out very shortly (couple of weeks). I have been informed that *Derlin has made a derlin bolt for the Wrath as well as Zoompaintball I believe it is (who can be contacted on PaintballNation)
I'm giving the Wrath an 8 overall, but a 9 for what you get for the price. I wish they would have added a couple little things like micro line, derlin bolt, better looking/performing barrel ... that would have brought it up to a 9 overall (a 10 with a nicer trigger). This is a great marker to get you into high paced tourney style ball. It's not going to out perform the Shockers, Matrixes, Timmys, Vikings, etc etc ... but it will allow you to compete and get you going. If you really get into it, you will definitely wan to get a "True High End" marker down the road. But this is an awesome beginner-inmediate level marker that with the added 3rd party support could launch Diablo as one of the leading marker sellers ... and is already changing paintball as we know it with all the features it currently has at a going price of around $275. Great job Diablo, you have done something great for our sport.
8 out of 10
Last edited on Thursday, March 3rd, 2005 at 10:11 pm PST
Thanks, 'preciate that. Too many reviews are bias and don't even cover things people want/need to know. Great marker, specially for the price, but not a 10. A nine for the price, 8 overall for what it is.
Second: to expand a little more for everyone... I am a DM4 owner myself ... I love my marker. I have shot Timmies, Shockers and high end Impulses. I think my DM4 is my favorite, next would be the Shocker and then a few select Timmies. I think I rated my DM4 a 9 and it's the closest thing to a 10 OVERALL in my book. Trust me in NO WAY is the Wrath close to my DM4. I'll put it to the test ANYDAY. So no way would I rate the Wrath a 10. I think a 8 is a much more fair and accurate rating of this marker as oppossed to all the 10's I am seeing here. Many of you have't even shot the marker in playing conditions for over a week. There are very few reviews here that even touch on the real concerns people should have when considering a marker. And many are people who have reviewed calling the Wrath "HIGH END" never PLAYED with a TRUE high end marker.
So again FOR THE PRICE ... a 9 ... 8 overall. It is a GREAT marker for beginners and in my opinoin you get more for your money VS a ION, which is why I told my friend to buy the Wrath. He is extremely happy with it so far and I would consider it as a back up marker if I get into tournaments in the near future.
Thanks for reading and the feedback everyone (tigerpaws). I tried to hit on everything and could have expanded on even more little things about this marker if I wanted to.
If you want to upgrade from a low level marker to a mid-level marker that is cabable of competing with higher end markers (depending on the person) ... this is for you. IMO It's better than a stock Impulse, Ion, BKO, or Odyssey's O3 line when considering the performance you get for the cost to you. And I have shot all these markers except for the ION, but again you clearly get more for your money with the Wrath. The only downside with the Wrath is you will have to wait longer for the few upgradable parts you need.
How do you know its better than an Ion? At the beggining of your review, you said you never shot one. Just cause the Wrath is high end, doesnt mean it will compete with dm4's 5's, timmy's, and shockers. Its a low high end marker.
they use the steel braided hose becuase its supposed to be low end, so you can use either HPA or CO2, so if they gave the gun a macroline, you would have had to have the HPA cause CO2 freezes up macro lines, so it wouldn't be a low priced high end gun because you would need the HPA. Thats why they have the steel braided plus a macro kit is like $5
quote:Originally posted by Mcshane89 How do you know its better than an Ion? At the beggining of your review, you said you never shot one. Just cause the Wrath is high end, doesnt mean it will compete with dm4's 5's, timmy's, and shockers. Its a low high end marker.
your sir, are retarded. he never said its better than the ion. and he never said its as good as fizzles/timmies/etc. you need glasses or perhaps some ritalin so you can read straight.
good review, although the only one i have seen wasnt working. but then again the owner is a complete idiot, so who knows.
Good honest review! Gj bjgpb! I was a little unsure as to what marker i should get for my bro, this or an Ion. I was afraid that the Wrath would have way more recoil compared to an Ion. But sence you said it was somwhat more similar to an 98c i don't think it would be such an issue. It would have a lot less recoil then a 98c with HPA though right?
Last edited on Tuesday, March 29th, 2005 at 10:46 am PST
I have hardley any kick on my wrath at all. If you want a marker with NO kick, get an ION, but I like a little bit just to tell me when I'm shooting lol. You can hardly feel it. Good review though man.
I don't want to flame. But i don't know how anyone likes the ion over this gun. I have only shot about 500 with each. And the ion is soo unbalanced and the trigger sucks compared to the wrath. The ion (maybe i just think its really crappy cus i own a nice shocker) just looks bad this marker looks sexy in my book.
quote:Originally posted by takeout4you they use the steel braided hose becuase its supposed to be low end, so you can use either HPA or CO2, so if they gave the gun a macroline, you would have had to have the HPA cause CO2 freezes up macro lines, so it wouldn't be a low priced high end gun because you would need the HPA. Thats why they have the steel braided plus a macro kit is like $5
That still doesn't make any sense because you still don't want to shoot CO2 in this thing anyway, even with the steel hose because excess rates of fire is going to destroy your internal o-rings and what not. So you might as well stick with a Tippmann with a response trigger. Should have put a micro line on it is the bottom line.
As for me saying it is better than a Ion, like Dark said where did I say that or the other stuff you were posting. Must have been responding to another post you read because it made no sense.
Thanks for the feedback and I am glad my review helped out some of you. As for competing with an Ion ... a buddy of mine that works as a gun tech at a paintball shop told me he has stop fixing Ions because of the overwhelming problems people have been having with them. It's mainly the same problem (some of the internal hosing) is what he told me. On the other hand I have talked to a lot of people who love them. I talked to a kid who sold his Proto Matrix and bought an Ion ... I said he was crazy, but played with him for almost a whole day and he played pretty damn good. So I guess it's a personal thing. My buddy loves his Wrath and he can hang with the Shockers, Matrixs, Timmys, Angels, etc. He's been playing for only a few months and his snap shooting is better than mine (I'm not as good with my left). So after a few months it is still holding up and allowing him to play with the big doggs. Probably not going to get him through any big tourneys, but we play with some good ballers at our field.
Other than his detents busting (which diablo has starting making with a stronger material) he hasn't had any problems. Still a 8/10, still a good marker
PS... Definitely shoot this with HPA. Less recoil and as stated you can't shoot the full potential with Co2. HPA is not very expensive. A cheap 68/3000 steel tank is 80$. Fiberwrapped you can shop around and get for 100-120$ if you look. If you can't afford a HPA tank, don't purchase ANYYYYYYY marker that can shoot over 12bps, simple as that :)
Last edited on Wednesday, April 20th, 2005 at 4:17 pm PST
In the defense of the use of Stainless, There are a lot of people who prefer Stainless line over Macroline. Given the price of the marker, I'm more comfortable with the use of Stainless because I have seen all too many cheap Macro fittings blow, even with HPA Tanks.