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rmdiablo Thursday, April 7th, 2005
Period of
Product Use:
3 months9 of 9 people found this review helpful.

Paintball
Experience:
More than 5 years
Similar
Products Used:
ICD Desert Fox - trigger and speed are almost the exact same
Automag - size, trigger
Minimag - Trigger and speed resemble, as well as size of guns, weight
Palmer Blazer - Size compares to Epic, epic is still by far the smallest and lightest marker I have ever seen.
Marker Setup: epic, 12vlt xboard, air america nitro, 16 oz co2 anit syphoned tank, i usually use the co2 tank on my epic believe it or not.
Recommended
Upgrades:
Longer barrel, the 10'' CP that comes standard with the marker is pretty good and accurate, I just recommend a longer barrel to give you some extra distance as well as accuracy.
Strengths: Everything on it is a strength, I see no weaknesses, WELL THOUGHT OUT!!
Weaknesses: Absoloutly positutly nothing whatsoever.
Review: Since the start of my paintball career I have embarked on a quest to find "my" gun. The one and only gun that matched me and fully satisfied me. The one gun that I never wanted to sell and kept me from wanting to buy other guns to replace it. This one gun turned out to be the epic.

A while back, I thought I had found my one gun. I bought an ICD Desert Fox, which is like an automag and a tippmann breed togethor. I really liked this gun, it had everything I ever wanted in a gun. I had previously owned a slew of electronic guns, I had shot everything from angels to b2k2's to Imps and BKO's. I had owned and shot many mechanical markers ranging from autocockers to blazers, tippmanns to spyders, sear trippers galore. Nothing really seemed to satisfy me, so I ended up going from gun to gun to gun to gun, selling all the ones that were not satisfactory. The only gun that managed to stay in my collection was my Desert Fox, it had everything; a built in regulator, extreme accuracy, nice distance, fast rate of fire, it was mechanical (something I started to prefer over electronic after all my electronic guns caused me problems, shooting fast is OVERATED), it hardly ever broke paint, and again it was extremely accurate, I also loved the short snappy trigger and the feel/weight of the gun. The only thing that I was not satisfied with was the slanted feed and the size of the gun. It was fairly big and the slanted feed caused my hopper to stick out on one side of the gun. So, once again, I set out to find a new gun, but this time, I had a good idea of what I wanted. I wanted a small mechanical marker that was fast, light, vertical feed, very accurate, and doesnt break paint. After many weeks of searching I found the EPIC. It was a gun that I was always interested in and wanted. The only thing that kept me from buying it was its extremely high price. Lucky for me, it was on sale, so I knew I had to buy it, so I did. It has turned out to be more than I expected. The accuracy is ball on ball every shot, shoots the perfect distance, shoots fast, adjustable trigger, and the vertical is a side vertical feed so you can site right down the middle of the marker. I love this marker, it is everything I ever wanted, and has won me many games to this day. I am a better player with it because it keeps up with me and hits what I aim at.

Check out Only Epic to find out more about the epic... http://onlyepic.talkspot.com
Conclusion: Excellent gun, I highly recommend either buying one or test shooting one. Not too many people have this gun, it feels good to be unique. It is also awesome to know that every time I gass up my gun it will shoot, and there will be no problems ever. I love its durability, high quality components, fluid design, snappy trigger, size, weight, and everything about it. I will be using it for the rest of my tourny pball career, no doubt.

again, if you need more info about the epic, check out http://onlyepic.talkspot.com
Rating:
10 out of 10Last edited on Sunday, March 12th, 2006 at 10:35 am PST
 

Review Comments
Uziel Gal Thursday, April 7th, 2005 | 11:55 am PST
You state that a longer barrel will provide better range. If all variables are equal (paint used, angle when shot etc.), and assuming no back spin, velocity dictates trajectory, and hence range. So if the velocity is adjusted to be the same in both a short and a long barrel, range will be the same. I will agree that if you swap barrels without adjusting the velocity, then you would see a difference - however, in the case of a single bore barrel, range would likely be *reduced* due to the increased friction caused by a longer barrel.

It is generally true in the case of firearms, that a longer barrel will produce higher velocities. This is due to a cartridge producing a massive amount of pressure to keep accelerating the bullet up any sensible length of barrel. This is not the case with a paintball marker, as the burst of air released by a marker just doesn't carry enough surplus energy to allow unlimited acceleration, so at some point, the ball will start to slow down in the barrel, and require more air to be used to maintain 300fps velocity.

Assuming that you are using the same velocity, the difference between barrels would be that the longer barrels would use more gas (to overcome friction) to achieve the same speed.
   

rmdiablo Sunday, January 1st, 2006 | 3:57 pm PST
The gas has more time to EXPAND when you have a longer barrel, the cp barrel that comes with it is too short... meaning that the gas does not have enough time to expand and the paintball will not shoot as far. The paintball needs time to gain speed, and it reaches its peak when the gas has expanded fully.

Your right, the gas can expand only so far, and after its expanded the paintball will lose speed. I recommended getting a LONGER BARREL because the 8'' cp stock barrel on the epic wasn't long enough to allow the gas to expand enough.

   

Uziel Gal Monday, January 2nd, 2006 | 9:45 am PST
Despite the gas burst not having time or space to expand fully, it is possible to still achieve 300fps with the short barrel, and if you have the same velocity, you will get the same range (short of such devices as back spin bolts and barrels, range is mainly dictated by velocity).

Achieving the same velocity with the the shorter barrel will most likely mean having to increase the gas pressure, or increasing the valve dwell to release more gas. This is going to to reduce the efficiency of the marker, but you will still be able to achieve the same velocity as you would with a longer barrel.

So you are right that a longer barrel can have benefits, in this case, it would most likely increase the markers efficiency when shot at a given velocity, but it will not increase the range, as the marker could achieve 300fps with either barrel, and as long as the velocity is the same, the range will be the same. The short barrel would just use up more gas to achieve the same velocity, and hence the same range.
   

dirtyA-5_77 Saturday, January 20th, 2007 | 12:31 am PST
8-10 inches is all you need for maximum acceleration on a paintball in almost all cases.
   

Streaks Monday, November 26th, 2007 | 9:59 am PST
Guys, the gas in a rifle or pistol round won't keep expanding forever. In fact it's quite possible to get a bullet stuck in a barrel due to having a barrel that's TOO long. Don't believe me? Get a .22 rimfire with a 22"+ barrel and shoot either a .22Short or a .22CB down it. Then get out your cleaning kit, take appart the rifle, and get ready to swear a lot while you try to dislodge that stupid bullet :) Been there, done that.

It takes 8-10 of bore to get proper speed in a paintball marker. I find that a 12" barrel (Lapco FTW), is all I need for ball on ball at 130' distances and head sized groups at 200' range. This is on every marker I have, from my humble Tippmann to my Autococker to my DM6.
   

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