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IvanBarker Friday, April 8th, 2005
Period of
Product Use:
1 year7 of 9 people found this review helpful.

1 year
Marker Setup: Avalon Commando 2
32 Degrees Quiet Riot Barrel, 32 degrees spring set, 12 oz CO2
Crappy 200rnd hopper, Shoulder Sling
R-2000 Regulator, Flashlight and laser mod
Dye grips
Barrel.. thats about all that can be upgraded, CANT upgrade bolt, hammer, grips, valve, vertical adaptor
Strengths: Looks, shoulder stock, accuracy, upgraded stock parts
Weaknesses: Poor machining, useless sight, cant upgrade, trigger, barrel guard, noise
Review: I got this gun about a year ago, last summer. Me and my brother ordered one each on pressure from my brother. His friend has a commando 1, and he seemed happy with it, so we figured that we would get the upgraded version. Tell you the truth, I was a huge noob at the time, so I fell to the cool looks of the gun, and the nice description and bought it. I bought it for $130 american, before taxes, shipping and customs. After all the costs were added together, it was a small fortune I shelled out. I bought the quiet riot barrel at the same time as well.

I have never used the stock barrel. My brother uses the stock barrel though, and he seems to have an okay time with it. And he can shoot me with the stock barrel, so nothing wrong with that. As soon as I received the gun, I put the quiet riot on... or tried. The barrel guard was too small to put on the new barrel. So what did I do? I took a pair of plyers and pryed the barrel guard until it was wide enough. The problem now is, the guard is still too small, and everytime I put on my barrel, the guard scratches up the end of the barrel; the part closest to the gun. So much for guarding my barrel... It does look good though.

I guess thats another thing. While the gun is a nice colour (I got silver), it isnt a traditional silver. Its a chrome, off silver colour. So I bought a silver barrel hoping it'd match... it doesnt.

The gun shoots pretty well. I dont know what all these guys are talking about, chopping balls? I can go through a case of 2000 paintballs and break 1 or 2. Thats pretty good in my mind. It shoots the balls fairly well. Could be better though, there is a drop off of the ball fairly fast, but that could be from the barrel (I hear the barrel bore size is too big). The gun shoots pretty fast, Id say maybe 10 bps. Which isnt fast compared to Eguns... But Id rather play woodsball, so I dont really need to shoot uber fast, and I dont think this gun is meant for speedball.

The noise is way too loud for this to be a woodsball gun. When I play woodsball, I like to sneak up beside people and nail them. Well I try, until their buddies can hear me wailing away. The noise is a very large "THUM THUM THUM". I have it narrowed down to being the hammer. Even without the CO2 installed its very loud. The noise is intimidating, but only for small 12 year old kids, not the experienced paintball player.

The looks of the gun are nice. The gun itself is very scary and people ask a lot of times what kind of gun is it. When I say its an Avalon they usually ask if it really does chop tons of balls... Anyways, the looks are nice, the length of the gun is good for me and I think the shoulder stock is great. I use the shoulder stock all the time. It makes it feel more like a real gun in my mind. I wouldnt mind getting a remote line though, because the CO2 tank gets in the way, and Id feel cooler with it lol. The stock makes it feel like its stabilizing my shots, but Im not too sure if it does. The sight on the gun is practically useless. The ball feed is soddered on so a right handed person has the hopper right in the way. I need to add that it's very poorly soddered on. The dovetail mounting is nice, and I could mount a red dot sight on it.

The front air volumizer thing, for an LP setup can't be screwed off, which sucks cause I want to replace it. I think I want to get a CiP 15 degrees assault block, but I somehow doubt that it will fit in the gun.

Im gonna talk about the internals now. I have cleaned and oiled my gun after everytime Ive played. But my gun is still being scratched to crap on the inside. More namely, the hammer/striker is scratching up everything. The hammer is fairly heavy and ugly as heck. Its not smooth at all and doesnt seem to be the most efficient with the flat face. The flat face possibly leads to the amount of noise the gun has, dont quote me on that. The bad finish on the hammer may have lead to the scratching on the inside. So I decided to replace the Orings and polish it. That didnt do anything at all and it still scratches. The venturi bolt is nice, other then its been badly manufactured. There are, what i beleive, to be heat scars across the top of the bolt, and thats not nice. Its just poor making of the bolt, and Im sure I got a bad one, but my brothers has the same scarring. I have no complaints about the front valve, other then the airflow through the valve isnt the best.

So what have I done about these messed up parts? Not a danged thing! Dont get me wrong, Ive tried. My first step was polishing the internals and replacing the seals. That didnt do too much. Next I thought Id replace the internals. Contrary to what some people say THIS IS NOT SPYDER COMPATIBLE, out side of the barrel threads. I first ordered up a nice bolt. I tried to put it into my gun, and the bolt pin wouldnt fit into my hammer. So I forced it in. I then put the bolt into my gun and it was too long! The bolt covered up a quarter of the the area where the ball drops. So Im like ok, maybe the bolt is just too long... and I ordered up a 32 degrees spyder bolt. Its 32 degrees, how can you go wrong? Well... It was too long once again! So I think this gun just doesnt accept spyder bolts, I spent money on 2 perfect bolts and they dont fit. Then I tried replacing the stock valve with a 32 degrees magnaport valve. Well the stock valve is longer then the new valve. This means that I cant screw in my trigger assembly because the screw goes right up into the valves Orings. Not to mention that theres another useless hole right beside the screw hole that the replacement valve leaks out. So basically your stuck with the stock valve cause the gun body physically wont accept a new one. I also ordered a new polished stock hammer/striker from an actual spyder. I doubt this will fit, but ill post when I get it and try. I also bought a 32 degrees spring set, and this works just as planned. Although I did get a soft and hard velocity spring with the gun, I still use the 32 degrees ones. So judging from the lack of bolts I can install and the not being able to install a new valve, the commando ISNT SPYDER COMPATIBLE. The spyder barrel fit though...

After using this gun for a year I have noticed some warpage in the body. Where the cocking nob slides all the way in, there is warping of frame. I mean in the horizontal cocking hole. Whats happening is the body is not built for the hammer, and the cocking nob hits the body after it shoots. Now there is a lot of pressure, and after the nob hits the body it causes it to warp. This is annoying as crap, and I cant make the cocking hole any longer because I dont have access to a machine shop to drill out a larger hole.

The trigger sucks. The trigger has a very long pull. I dont mind the long pull, I actually kind of enjoy it, giving it a more realistic feel. What annoys me though, is that the trigger is loose. Ive tried to tighten it, but its still loose. I think ill have to buy a new trigger... If it can fit.

The gun isnt too hard to take apart, once you get use to it. Its defiantly not a pullpin, feild strip gun. Ive taken the whole thing apart many times. Ive also taken apart the expansion chamber, which I dont recommend, because its a punk to line it up right afterwards.

I like the open bolt, side cocking, but I can see it being a problem with dirt getting in it.

The guns weight is fine.

The included carry backpack is great for holding the gun.

I tried to add a stock hammer from a normal spyder, that didnt work out too well.... I also added some dye grips. The grips wouldnt fit so I had to alter the holes on the grips so they would fit. Who woulda thought that the trigger frame is a different size for this gun. AND then today, I got a 32 degrees vertical adaptor. (Because the U-one vertical adaptor has horrible air flow through it compared to the 32 degrees vertical adaptor, and you cant take off the volumizer) So I put on my P.I.M.P volumizer onto the 32 degrees VA and tried to put it on the commando 2... no dice. Of course the U-One VA has to be like 1/4 of an inch longer than a normal VA, so the screw holes dont line up. So heres whats messed up in the commando: the valve isnt compatible, the VA isnt compatible, the grips arent compatible, the bolt isnt compatible, the hammer isnt compatible. I think the expansion chamber is compatible, but Im not too sure about that.

Meh I think Im might quit this sport, this gun is costing me way too much and not getting any better.
Conclusion: Ok so I guess I ripped my gun to shreads with this review and after writing it, I think I'm going to try to sell this gun and buy maybe a tippman, or maybe a cheap spyder. The gun has it's big time flaws, with it's internal failures. But it does have its nice looks going for it. What pissed me off most was the lack of being able to upgrade. I thought this was spyder compatible? No its just the barrel. I was hoping to write a nice review after I upgraded, so I could be like "It takes a little work, but this gun is nice." Looks like I cant write that. I wont give this gun a terrible rating, because it has served me decently for the past year, and my brother does seem to enjoy his. I wont give it a good rating either due to its manifacturing flaws, lack of spyder compatibilty and other major drawbacks.

Damn, thats enough of this essay. Hope you find this helpful! Yeah I could use the money so I think Im going to sell this.
1 out of 10Last edited on Monday, July 4th, 2005 at 1:51 pm PST

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