red to black PM5
45/45 nitro duck
CP quick connect feedneck
Check it on/off
Asa (it doesn't come with one)
Barrel or kit your choice
Value (I paid $575 NIB)
No locking feedneck
I bought this for my son for Christmas. I got this nib from my local field/store and the box was still shink wrapped. This a long story so please read the whole thing otherwise you may miss something.
I took the gun out of the box before I gave it to my son. I had to because I shoot an Ion myself and wanted to see how nice it was. I was very impressed once the box was opened. The milling was ok I noticed a lot of milling marks in the "V"'s of the gun (sorry I cant think of a different way to describe the area). I took the bolt out and the first thing I noticed was a lot of metal shavings in the bolt guide. I emailed Dye/Proto and they told me that the milling and metal shavings were normal and was told to just "clean out the metal and relube the bolt". Which I did before putting any air through the gun.
Now came Christmas day and my son got his gun. I didn't have any air so we had to wait until the day after Christmas to get it. Once we had air, my son turned the asa on and "PPPPSSSSSSHHHH" out the rear cap! I turned the air off, did some checking and replaced the two most rear orings on the bolt. Still a very slight leak out the rear. Anyway, he wanted me to adjust the trigger so I took the grip frame off only to find that the eye ribbon was not connected. Not a giant deal, I did some checking and found that I could just "plug" it back in. The eyes do work now. But the next thing I found was quite supprising to me. I took the grips off because it kept getting in my way when I was trying to get the eye ribbon plugged in. Under the grip on the opposite side of the board appeared to have been hit many times with something very hard (about 10-12 dents in the grip frame). This must have been done at the factory because the anno was not scratched at all.
Went to play with it Tuesday and it still leaked. But it worked out that one of the people at the field (he didn't work for this field but does own a local PB pro shop) was a certified matrix tech. He gave me some slick honey and the leak was gone. He told me to get rid of the Dye lube and use the slick honey or some other thing called Goo something or nother (I can't remember). He also cranked the LPR way down to about 1 3/4.
I emailed pictures of the eye ribbon and the grip frame to Dye/Proto and I was told today that I could return the gun for a replacement. This is very nice of them but the fact that my sons Christmas was kind of ruined still gets me mad. Even though I got his gun for a "good" price doesn't mean much (because $575 is a lot of money to me, like more than my house payment). I am very happy that Dye/Proto is letting me exchange this for a different one. It is nice to have a company stand behind their products. This is a rare thing these days!! Props to Dye for that!
Ok, for the good stuff. When the leak was fixed this gun is amazing!! I love the how smooth this gun fires. I mean no kick at all with the LPR turned down. The reg was as expected for a new reg it was +-6fps at the chrono (the field speed limit is only 250fps though). I would expect the reg to settle in over another case or so. I really like the look and design of the gun itself, it has very sleek and very nice body lines. My son really loves the fact that he has upgraded from his Angel IR3 (the difference in size between these guns is huge. The Angel was a monster compared to this).
As for the recommended upgrades, I would say the first thing would be (well, it's not an upgrade because it doesn't some with one) an on/off of some sort, locking feedneck, I always get a barrel kit because I never know what paint I will be shooting at any given tournament, the trigger doesn't feel bad to me at all but with all triggers it is personal preferance, I would like to see some different modes of fire and that is why I said M5 upgrade (can get this from the Matrix center for $50).
Well, I have owned many guns as has my son and I can honestly say that I am not all that impressed with the "whole" package. Like I mentioned earlier I shoot an Ion with a T board and I can get higher rates of fire out of it. The PM5 has a LOT nicer look to it and has a better reputation to it. But from my personal experience with this gun so far I have to ask myself why would you drop $600+- on this when you can go get something else for less or the same price that doesn't require another $120-$180 in ups? I know this is not going to be a popular review and some of you will dispute it with me but I can only say what I have experienced. I will not "blow smoke up anyones behind" one this one. I will update this review once I get the new Proto and I hope it will change my mind completely.
So I give performance a 9 because of the semi only board. I give fit and finish a VERY low 2. I give more weight to the performance aspect of the gun because I believe in function over form. So this one gets a 7 until I get the replacement gun.
7 out of 10
Last edited on Thursday, December 29th, 2005 at 8:52 pm PST
i dont own a proto, but ive done extensive research over the last 8 months on it. from what ive read, it sounds like you got ahold of one of the erlier models, supposedly the eirlier models came with a few problems like the ones u described, the later matrixes that proto i think has fixed doesnt have those problems so the next one u get probably will work alot better, the only problems i think u will probably have to see, is replacing alot of o-rings, because matrixes are known for havin alot of o-rings that break.
but i hope your son mows faces (as long as its not mine) when he plays,
me and my friends have gone through alot of lemon guns, and i know how its sux to get one...
Good review. It's always helpful when someone takes the time to describe form, fit, function along with the service from a company. Kudos for putting it in writing for all of us. I hope DYE makes it right. PS- I would have been hard pressed to give it a 7 with all that. When you spend that much money, you expect a gun that really does the job.