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saf001 Monday, March 13th, 2006
Period of
Product Use:
3 months13 of 24 people found this review helpful.

Paintball
Experience:
More than 5 years
Similar
Products Used:
Original Kingman Spyder, Spyder E99, and now a Spyder MR2
Marker Setup: Spyder MR2, Tasco RedDot sight, Q-Loader hopper system
Recommended
Upgrades:
Tasco RedDot sight...just remove the M-16 style sight rail
Strengths: Fast shooting, very durable, Spyder internals
Weaknesses: Chops paint with force-feed hopper, can't use any Spyder barell.
Review: I can't use any of my other barells because of the shroud that Kingman put around the barell threads, but found that the performance of the stock barell is just fine. The marker is dead-on accurate at 35 feet.

The marker is heavy, but I like heavy guns.

I find the flimsy rubber grips horrendous. I would have preferred the hard plastic grips that the E99 has on it. These grips actually flex as you hold the marker. It feels like I'm going to break them just holding it.

I like the option to use the stock, but found that I don't use it at all. You can't aim down the marker with the stock properly shouldered...your mask hits the top cross beam of the stock. I would have preferred it not to have this cross beam or at least have it moved.

The fore grip handle is slightly angled forward at the bottom and is a little wide. It kind of made things harder for me when I mounted my Q-Loader onto it. I had to fashion a custom piece of metal strapping to go around the handle. To me, the handle is too big and unnecessarily angled. Guess they wanted that sleek design.

The double trigger is nice, but is a long pull. There is a set screw to allow tension to be put on the trigger, thereby making the pull shorter. HOWEVER...Kingman decided that the Receiver should have a hole drilled into it right where the trigger set screw will hit. So instead of the set screw pressing against the receiver and pushing the trigger back, it recesses into this hole. Completely and utterly mind-baffling. I had to put several strips of electrical tape over this hole so the set screw now has something to hit, and now the trigger sits further back.

Now for the two most important elements of the gun that causes it to fail right out of the box. First is the flimsy rubber nubbin ball detent. Kingman tech support actually told me that I should not be able to push a ball forward past this detent with another ball in the feed neck. They couldn't be more wrong. It is actually quite easy. So I fashioned one myself that works superbly.

The second thing is the ACS bolt. I have a Q-Loader hopper, if you don't know what this is, it is a spring loaded tube that can dump all 100 rounds in around 3 seconds. It constantly puts pressure on the paint so there is always a ball ready to go into the breach. Because my modified detent will not allow the balls to go forward easily (obviously it allows the ball to travel past it when the bolt goes forward), the maker now double feeds when the bolt cycles. It does this because the ACS bolt actually allows the first ball into the breach to follow it back as it is recocked (the Q-Loader is pushing paint constantly) and a second ball follows the first into the breach. I know this, because after jury rigging the bolt so the ACS spring is disabled, I have not chopped or double-fed a ball yet. Kingman's response to this when I asked if they could send me a non-ACS bolt for the MR2 being that it actually is hindering the use of a force-feed hopper is "We do not offer a non-ACS bolt for the MR2"

The advertised "up to 25 balls per second" is in single fire mode only. The full auto and burst fire mode only deliver 13 balls per second. I have tested it and know this for a fact. I've posted the methods and results of the test on the Spyder.TV forums. You can only get up to 25 balls per second if you can walk the trigger fast enough in single fire mode. The problem is, that would require a fast hopper, most likely a force feed system...which out-of-the-box will cause the marker to double feed and chop.
Conclusion: I've always liked Spyders. I have only used Spyders. I am however disappointed in the R & D for this new marker. The hole where the set screw goes? What's with that? It completely negates the set screw's purpose. If you've got a standard agitated hopper, you will probably really enjoy this marker. If you've got something that can seriously dump paint, then you might want to rethink your purchase. The 25 bps is misleading, and the factory defaults will only lead to double feeding with a real work-horse hopper.

I'm still using mine being that I made all the necessary adjustments to get it to work with my hopper system.
Rating:
6 out of 10
 

Review Comments
Gordocordon Tuesday, April 4th, 2006 | 6:01 am PST
¨I know this, because after jury rigging the bolt so the ACS spring is disabled, I have not chopped or double-fed a ball yet.¨
Hello, i`m having the same problem with my mr2, i use a halo tsa and i keep chopping like crazy, because i`m in Argentina is not easy to find upgrades and i order a timmy ball detent to stop doblefeed (hope it works). Did u disable the asc bolt?? and it works?? I´m looking for a solution, im going mad with this marker, if u can help me, please write me to gordocordon7@hotmail.com

Thanks a lot
Federico
   

new_Faction64 Sunday, June 4th, 2006 | 4:37 pm PST
How did you disable the bolt? I need to know!
   

new_Faction64 Sunday, June 4th, 2006 | 4:41 pm PST
How did you disable the bolt? I need to know!
   

Interceptor88 Saturday, June 17th, 2006 | 4:00 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by new_Faction64
How did you disable the bolt? I need to know!

Guy at my local shop put a stiffer spring in mine and it works great. If it catches a ball, you have to recock it, but no chops. I think you can also totally disable the ACS bolt by adjusting a screw on the back of it.
   

~CJW~ Wednesday, September 20th, 2006 | 3:17 pm PST
Recommended
Upgrades: Tasco RedDot sight...just remove the M-16 style sight rail


why remove the sight rail?
   

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