Several Spyders, E-spyders and Clones ~ Generally slower, less stylish, no eyes stock
Mech Cockers ~ Lots slower, slightly less kick, no eyes stock
ION ~ Less kick, same speed, feels cheaper, eyes not as good (Stock)
Ebladed Cocker ~ More or less the sam speed, little bit less kick, eyes not as good
CYP Nemesis Timmy Clone ~ Faster, less kick
My Sweet 05'd Species ~ Faster, Much less kick thanks to Eigenram, lighter and lower profile
05'd Species Timmy
Assassins Frame, Tadao m5, Evil Detonator, Trinity Block, Alias LPR, RMR Killstick, RMR Lockdown, FBM Delrin Trigger
Will update, but safe to say:
HPA ~ But not as much of a necessity as with other guns
$400 price tag is ridiculous
First off, I have just recently acquired this marker and will be updating this review as I get chances to use it more. This is more or less my initial impression plus some thoughts that I have aquired from using a Protium.
Ok so I have had nothing but good experience with using my brother's Protium on several occasions, so I have been a little incredulous at the horrible reviews and just general distaste that the forums have shown for Quadra. I happened across a deal on Ebay and picked this one up as an open box return with less than 200 shots on the counter and all of it's componenets and accesories in as new condition for $113 + shipping.
Opened up the box and everything looks good, whether or not you like the styling it is still one of the nicest milled blowbacks ever. I was surprised that the grip frame wasn't more closely color matched to the rest body of the gun, and think that if you are making a "highish-end" blowback you need to pay attention to such things.
The frame itself is much nicer than any other e-blowback I have shot, it is nice to not have the typical Spyder box frame or the plastic PMI ones. I do wish the trigger frame were more squarish as the bottom sort of comes to a point and can be detrimental to fast fingers. This gun came out kind of before the Ramping explosion so it does not have any modes besides Semi. In hindsight you could say that it should have it, but it wasn't in too many peoples heads at the time of production. The 3 place switch is nice as it allows you to change between eye on/ gun on, eye off/gun on, and gun off.
The trigger is reminiscent of a Timmy, 3 adjustment screws that serve the same purpose as do the ones on a timmy. Pull is short and lighter than a stock E-spyder by far. The switch could be a tad lighter, but you should certainly be able to walk it with ease. I'd guess it to be about 80 grams, with a 25 you'd probably get kicked out a lot for excessive bounce. My advice (what i've done on both this and the Protium): take out the spring and adjust the trigger for as little forward and backwards movement as possible. If you need more help than that to shoot fast you have problems.
The Omni pressure system is a nice touch and should help with fine-tuning in my quest to make this a LP/low-kick blowback.
Even if your eyes crap out, there is no way you should be chopping paint with this gun. It has a very lightweight JAM style bolt that will alow you to stick your finger down the chamber and fire. You'd have to be using the most brittle paint ever to chop a ball. This is kind of a bit redundant, but it seems like JT was trying to idiot proof the gun so that people didn't totally soak the eyes and make a mess of things.
*sigh* why oh why do we have a stock spyder piece of LEAD striker in this thing???
Can't make much comment on the REG...probably good for higher pressure or co2 operation. It'll be replaced with a Torpedo shortly.
Barrel doesn't look bad...would have rather 3 backs than 3 fronts, but I'll admit that this gun was probably mostly marketed on the basis of looks rather than performance.
Airing it up....with co2 initially....Hmmm
No leaks, cycles fine with eyes off, doesn't cycle with eyes on (that's a good sign). Take outside with a bag of paint. 1 barrel break, no chops, shot to shot accuracy is pretty darn good at lower rates of fire. I can definitely see that kick would be a factor if you were trying to hold down a lane as a back player. Speed is great...I am pretty darn sure that this thing will hit a 15 bps cap and then some.
So far it seems like it should be a good back up gun to a nice electro. As far a accuracy, a good reg and barrel should take care of any issues. Shouldn't be any less reliable than any other E-spyder or clone. As stated even if the eyes crapped out you still have pretty good anti-chop. I will work to see what I can do abou the kick.
Certainly JT did not address blowbacks short comings enough with this gun to warrant a $400 price tag. That being said this (upon initial impression) is probably one of (if not) the nicest blowbacks available, and as such if you can get it at a comparable price to other top of the line blowbacks (under $200) you have a reasonably good deal.
At my price I would give it a 10, at $400 a 7, but for a fair market value price of somewhere under 200 I'll give is a...
I wouldn't give up on the reg yet. After I shot a couple thousand rounds and put on a JJ ceramic to get a better barrel to paint match I was chronoing plus or minus 2. Let me know how you make out with the kick. I tried putting a Dark Horizons titanium Spyder Fatty hammer. The diameter was good but the cut for the sear was off a little. I still tried shooting with it but didn't experience much reduction of kick. I own a Protium now and will post a review as soon as I get it running good. Mine came with no internal o-ring inside the antichop bolt and I'm getting CO2 out of my feedneck. Is it normal to get CO2 out of the feedneck for this marker?Can you fire a couple of shots with no hopper and look if theres any smoke coming out. I've used a Tippy and never noticed that.