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Squirrelking Wednesday, May 31st, 2006
Period of
Product Use:
3 months4 of 5 people found this review helpful.

Paintball
Experience:
More than 5 years
Similar
Products Used:
stock hopper
Marker Setup: Tippmann Custom Pro Basic (drop forward, double trigger, 11" Werks barrel)
HPA 50 ci Worrgame Tank
Cyclone
RT trigger
16" linear
Strengths: Speed
no chops
silent
no batteries
Price
Weaknesses: Size
air use (see review)
fragile manual feed
Review: PROS

It's fast, real fast. With my RT going full blast, it never misses a beat. I have never misfired (apart from when I'm low on air, see CONS).

In over 2000 balls I have never chopped once. I even used some 6 month old paint that was warped and dimpled: no chops. At all.

It makes no sound when "activated" since it spins when you fire your marker. No annoying buzzing like with some electric hoppers.

For me, this was the main reason I wanted a cyclone: NO BATTERIES!

It has a very reasonable price tag too: 60$.

CONS

For some, the cyclone has a very big profile. It's true, it can be pretty bulky since the mechanism is in the feedneck. I personally don't mind, but this could be very important for some.

Although it's supposed to work on blowback gases, it does use a little bit more air than if I didn't have it on. I feel it's VERY negligible, but it does take some extra air. What I don't like is the fact that once I'm low on air (under 1000 psi, HPA), it tends to stop spinning: I have to shoot very slowly for it to spin. This made mise a few shots late in games.

I am disappointed in the little push lever you have to manually feed balls on the Cyclone. I dropped it from a height of maybe two-three feet and it snapped. I wonder how this lever was supposed to survive through rough playing...
Conclusion: For me, the advantages of the Cyclone far outweighed the disadvantages. But I'll be honest, the first thing that attracted me to the Cyclone was the fact that it had no batteries.

Try it out first if you can, see how it feels for you.
Rating:
9 out of 10Last edited on Wednesday, May 31st, 2006 at 8:39 am PST
 

Review Comments
Steelmesh Sunday, June 4th, 2006 | 6:03 pm PST
I think it is your illusion about using more gas... The only way to change the amount of gas used for blowback is determined by the rear bolt spring pressure. You don't change anything included the rear bolt spring pressure.
   

Squirrelking Tuesday, June 6th, 2006 | 8:03 am PST
I don't see your point: I didn't say anything about rear bolt spring pressure. Logic dictates that you need a LITTLE bit of extra pressure to make an extra gas system work. Period.

Re-read the review, I said it's negligible.
   

Steelmesh Tuesday, June 6th, 2006 | 6:34 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by Squirrelking
I don't see your point: I didn't say anything about rear bolt spring pressure. Logic dictates that you need a LITTLE bit of extra pressure to make an extra gas system work. Period.

Re-read the review, I said it's negligible.


If you could imagine how the valve works...the rear bolt is released and by spring pressure lunges forward, its "nipple" hits the one on the valve. For a brief moment the front and rear of the valve release a pressurized gas; 1. causing a paintball to be ejected, 2. causing the rear bolt to be blown back.

If you cannot get past those statemesnts, please do not continue reading.

The more force you hit the valve the longer/farther the valve nipple will displace, thus allowing more pressurized gas into the blow back chamber (rear velocity adjuster, duh). The less force, obviously the less valve nipple travel and duration occur thus less gas is released into the blow back chamber.

The pressure differential, 800 psi (CO2) vs. 14 psi (atmospheric), is to great to even meter the cyclones gas usage. You got a brief 800 pounds of pushing force on the front of the rear bolt (almost a square inch), so that tiny little 3/8 inch cyclone piston would not effect in a pressure decrease to not allow the rear bolt to reset, if so would cause you to increase main spring pressure...intern increasing gas usage per shot....which has not been proven...(to have to put in a stronger spring during the cyclone upgrade).
   

Squirrelking Wednesday, June 7th, 2006 | 7:35 am PST
Good points, you obviously know what you're talking about.

"The pressure differential, 800 psi (CO2) vs. 14 psi (atmospheric), is to great to even meter the cyclones gas usage. You got a brief 800 pounds of pushing force on the front of the rear bolt (almost a square inch), so that tiny little 3/8 inch cyclone piston would not effect in a pressure decrease to not allow the rear bolt to reset, "

Here's the problem: I never said the Cyclone stops, or even affects (in a visible way), cycling.

What I noticed, since I'm using HPA it's easier to do so, is that my paintballs were coming out with a slower velocity since I put the Cyclone on. Not much, but it was on average slower ( now I wish I would have kept those specs for you to see...). I had to bring up my velocity to compensate, thus I'm using a little bit more air. That's it. My velocity screw is on the left side of my marker, not the rear (Custom Pro).

Now, I have no idea how I managed to insult you by writing a review for the Cyclone, but it seems to be the case none the less. I'm sorry for that.

Hope that this post clarifies my "Cyclone uses more gas" notion for you.
   

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