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MisterMister Wednesday, May 2nd, 2007
Period of
Product Use:
6 months26 of 31 people found this review helpful.

Paintball
Experience:
More than 5 years
Similar
Products Used:
Stock PMR & A-5 barrels, S!te Stiffi CF barrel, PPS Brass barrel, Dye Ultra-Lite barrel, GTA Flatline barrel, Hammerhead barrel, Dye Titanium barrel, BT "M16" barrel w/ & w/o the APEX adapter... these are just the barrels that I have OWNED. I've shot MANY more then just this.
Marker Setup: Proto Matrix Rail:
Replaced with aluminum (back cap, eye lids, etc.)
Dye Ultra-Lite Frame
Dye DM8 feedneck
Critical magnetic return trigger
CP on/off ASA
Dye Throttle "Peanut" HPA tank (45/70)
Halo-B w/ Rip Drive, V35 board, and "Bone" battery pack
Recommended
Paintballs:
WPN "Elixir" tournament grade paintballs. Also used, Nelson "Special Forces" paintballs, & WPN "Toxic" paintballs
Strengths: Please see review
Weaknesses: Again, see review
Review: Okay... I have used almost every barrel under the sun over the past 2 years. I have spent countless hours doing research, and I have shot many MANY more barrels then I have actually owned (which have been quite a few, as you can see above). I have also owned many a marker. The last few being a BT-16, A-5, Auto-Mag, and PMR. This specific review is with my Proto Matrix Rail.

First, WHY I bought this barrel:

After finding out that they only make 3 different back sizes for my Dye Ultra-Lite barrel, I decided to get something that would be more versatile (better paint matching due to more options in backs or inserts). There were a few things that I NEEDED in the barrel though. I wanted it to be light, I wanted it to be versatile, and I didn�t want to NOT be able to clean it out with a soft swab (so I thought carbon fiber was out since almost ALL CF barrels will have their porting catch on the fibers of a soft swab and unravel).

SO, after doing a LOT of research I found that the Deadlywind "Whisper" CF barrel matched all of these criteria. It is VERY light, uses Freak inserts, and they give the porting a coating which prevents the CF weave from catching on anything! So after finding this out I ordered one up right away.

First impressions:

The barrel was VERY light. Right out of the box I noticed that it was about half as light as my Dye "Ultra Lite" barrel (also 14"). The carbon fiber weave was nice and tight, and the interior was smooth. Nice. I busted out my brand new stainless steel freak inserts, put some lube on it and slipped it in. Even with the insert the whole barrel was noticeably lighter then my Dye UL barrel. Sweet.

I took the whole thing out back, properly matched the paint to the correct Freak insert, slid the insert into the barrel, gassed up and shot away. I immediately noticed that the accuracy was spot on. Also it was VERY quiet. Quieter then my UL barrel and stock PMR barrel, that�s for sure. After 30-40 rounds, though, I saw some paint spray out the end of the barrel. I kept shooting though (walking at 15+ BPS) and to my surprise the accuracy didn�t change at ALL, so I figured it wasn�t a break... well that�s what I thought anyway. After emptying the Halo I looked inside and sure enough I had broken a ball (or more then one?). What impressed me though was how well it shoots through the break(s). I didn�t once lose ANY accuracy or consistency! It kept shooting like it hadn�t broken at all. Awesome.

The problem:

I cleaned it out, and loaded up. I went out back again to try another time. I, again, got multiple breaks (but it still shot through with ease just like before). Now I knew something was up. My marker NEVER chops or breaks! After a few minutes I found out why. I could see that the bore in the barrel where the Freak insert slides into was TOO LARGE! The insert didn�t line up correctly and when I pushed on it with my finger there was a LOT of movement. I also saw that EVERY break occurred where the end of the insert met the carbon fiber in the barrel. Not so cool.

I thought perhaps it was my brand new Freak inserts, so I borrowed my friend's aluminum inserts. I know for a fact that these are perfect because he has been using them without fail for months now. The same thing happened. It didn�t line up correctly and a lot of movement was apparent.

The solution (resolution):

I called Collin at Deadlywind and explained what happened. He agreed that the barrel seemed to have been over-bored during production. He said he had never seen this before, but he believed me and wanted me to send it back to him. I did so and waited a few days. 4 days later I called Collin back up. He confirmed that there was WAY too much movement and that it, indeed, was over bored at the factory. He said he tried out 3 or 4 different barrels before sending me a new one and stated that while there was a LITTLE movement in all of them in regards to the Freak inserts, it was less the half of what I was experiencing with my defective barrel. He apologized and said a new barrel was in the mail and should be here any day now. I thanked him and patiently waited for my new barrel.

Conclusion:

The next day I received my new barrel from Deadlywind. Just as Collin had said, there was a little wiggle with the insert, but not nearly as much as before. I loaded up the Halo and went out back. I still got the same paint on top of pant accuracy, but this time there was no breakage of paintballs. In fact, if anything the barrel shot BETTER then before (which was a nice surprise since it was already well above average in terms of accuracy even with the defective barrel).

Now, I am not knocking Deadlywind, but they could do something to make their product a bit better. If you look at the Freak barrels, they have 2 o-rings inside the barrel where the insert slides into. One at the front of the insert and one at the back. These o-rings help hold the insert into place. The Deadlywind barrel also has the same design concept with the o-ring... but notice I used the singular version of "o-ring" and not plural. That�s right, they only use ONE o-ring. It�s located in the middle of the slot where you put the Freak insert. This works, but it doesn�t work as well as having 2 o-rings (as you can imagine... I mean it's just common sense). This was a little disappointing. In fact, if they had gone with using 2 o-rings, I probably wouldn�t have had the initial problem even though it was slightly over-bored!

But I digress...




Conclusion: ...Overall, this is a great product. It does everything it claims, and nothing it doesn�t. Its superbly light (even with the stainless steel Freak insert installed), its whisper quiet (it lives up to it's name), the carbon fiber weave is tight and well made, it uses the Freak inserts making it deadly accurate and versatile, and you can use soft swabs on it unlike ANY OTHER CARBON FIBER BARREL (take THAT Stiffi!). All of these attributes = a great product.

As far as its weaknesses goes, I can only complain about the use of a single o-ring rather then two o-rings in regards to where you install the Freak insert. If this wasn�t the case, I would have given the Deadlywind Whisper CF barrel a little higher score.

As is, however, it was well worth my money, and I am happy with my purchase. As the owner/operator of many MANY different barrels, this one is up there with my all time favorites. It's right up there with the Palmer-Pursuit Brass Barrel and the APEX adapter.

If you are looking to get a carbon-fiber barrel, and you don�t need a single bore stick (e.g. no inserts, or backs) then this is the barrel for you.

I just hope, that sometime down the road, Collin @ Deadlywind will decide to do a SMALL redesign and add that second o-ring.

NOTE: I bought the STAINLESS STEEL Freak inserts. I did this for a few reasons. First, there have been issues with size standards and the ALUMINUM Freak inserts. This is NOT the case with the STAINLESS STEEL (SS) inserts. Also, aluminum will expand/contract in heat/cold. This can affect performance. The SS inserts dont do this nearly as much as the aluminum ones. Last, but not least the SS Freak inserts arent much more in cost then them aluminum ones. My 8 piece SS Freak KIT cost only 10 DOLLARS MORE then the 8 piece aluminum version.

Now some people willt ell you the SS Freak inserts arent made anymore so they are hard to find or expensive. Not completely true. They stopped making the inserts because they have a huge back log of them (I called Smart Parts to ask). They have more then enough to cover demand without increasing cost to the customer or making them hard to find.

SO GO BUY THE STAINLESS STEEL INSERTS INSTEAD OF THE ALUMINUM ONES!

-Joe


EDIT: Please note, that I am not scoring this based on the factory defect found in the first barrel I had recieved. I am scoring this based on the PROPERLY WORKING barrel (the second one). Deadlywind backed up their product and sent me a properly working unit ASAP. Their customer service is quite reasonable. I only wish I didnt have to pay for shipping in order to send the defective unit BACK to them!
Rating:
8 out of 10Last edited on Sunday, January 13th, 2008 at 3:41 pm PST
 

Review Comments
Donster 125 Thursday, May 17th, 2007 | 4:16 pm PST
fantasic review! very fair and in-depth! keep them coming!
   

NB_Paintballer Monday, June 18th, 2007 | 7:43 pm PST
I am thinking about buying a Stiffi Switch Kit for my Ion. Should I buy this instead?
   

MisterMister Sunday, January 13th, 2008 | 3:21 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by NB_Paintballer
I am thinking about buying a Stiffi Switch Kit for my Ion. Should I buy this instead?

I would have tom say that this is the better barrel (the Deadly Wind that is). While I havent used the Switch kit my self, I have read reviews on it as well as have seen in depth testing (see Mann's barrel test on BPN) and can say t just doesnt stack up to the Deadly Wind with STAINLESS STEEL Freak inserts.
   

raschelar Wednesday, January 16th, 2008 | 1:39 pm PST
Just a FYI, I got a deadly wind about a month ago and the freak sleeves fit perfectly. I was curious so contacted DW and the said the fixed the problem w/ the way they fit. good review though.
   

isaacs18 Tuesday, May 6th, 2008 | 5:41 pm PST
Also, they still make SS freak inserts. i just bought them for this barrel! Nice review!
   

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