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speedyfish Monday, June 4th, 2007
Period of
Product Use:
1 year4 of 7 people found this review helpful.

4 years
Products Used:
Tippmann A-5
Bob Long Russian Legion Intimidator
Smart Parts Ion
Marker Setup: Empire B with rip drive
Stiffi 14 in.
Tadao Board
Check it ASA
Tadao Board
A Stiffi barrel
Of course a fast hopper
Strengths: Looks amazing
Dosen't require much cleaning
Weaknesses: Not reliable
Big in size
Car charger
Review: This gun has not worked right since I got it. The gun comes in a fine box and the gun looks amazing. However, the looks are deciving. This gun has a mind of its own. I know everyone who reads this review is going to hate me, but when I was buying this gun I also did not want to hear anything bad about it, but now that I own one I can say it sucks. I take great care of all my paintball gear and no matter how good I took care of this gun it would let me down when playing. I even took this gun to a paintball store over 5 times and it still wasn't functioning right. When I got the Tadao board it seemed like the gun was shooting super fast and without flaws, but it was on some weird mode that fired when it wanted to and fired as many paintballs as it wanted. Back to the pro shop and the gun is fixed after a month, but even when the gun is as good as it can get it has inconsistin velocity changes and it is not the fastest gun. I know this review probaly pains you to hear, but it is all unfortunatley true. When I did want to get the gun fixed by WDP they said they do not want anything to do with it and that I should take it to a pro shop. Some great warranty, yeah right. And I could not return it to get the my money back I wasted on this terrible gun.
Conclusion: This is the last product I buy from WDP. Look around for a better gun to buy and less expensive. This gun will let you down. It never worked right.
3 out of 10

Review Comments
TPD Monday, June 4th, 2007 | 10:39 am PST
I completely understand where you're coming from. I have owned a lot of WDP markers, and I have had problems with nearly all of them: mainly inconsistent velocities from main valve problems, ram problems and stock reg problems. I have never had problems with any stock angel board though.

Specifically, I have owned an Adrenaline Featherlight LCD, Dark 02 LCD, CCIR3, and the G7. The G7 is the only angel I've owned with no problems stock, but who is to say.

Here is what I suggest for angels owners: even if it's an lcd, or for that matter led, keep the electronics stock (unless tag or someone along his lines installs them-or you really really know what you're doing and are certified from WDP as an angel tech) and replace the lpr/inline reg with your aftermarket choices (akalmp is a great choice).

It sounds like you've already installed a new board; who installed it? If you're having tadao problems, go back over the manual and reprogram it (specifically the debounce, which sounds like an issue in your case; also don't use ramping or "cheater-modes"-these can lead to problems like yours in anyone's case as they use complex, open flawed, code, and promote both mech and electronic bounce).

If once you've reprogrammed the board, and the marker still shoots like it had its own brain, return the board. Female-dog and moan, ya know. If it still isn't working you know it is no fault of yours.

As for the marker's inconsistance velocities, go over the marker's manual, get a vice, and try taking apart the ram, lpr, valve, and inline reg (or watch the shop tech while he does so, and ask what he does at every turn so as to make sure he doesn't mess it up further-so shop techies, sadly, don't know a spyder's valve from an angels).

Clean everything out of the ram and put only a light layer of grease (not liquid lubes) on the ram's shaft and o-ring. Do no lube the hammer. Clean the valve out, lube the stem up.

IMO, if you really want this gun to work amazingly, get a SCM lpr and akalmp inline reg (or 2L if you have the $$$ after all this crap) for you angel. As long as your ram and valve are working properly, these two new parts will make the gun work; if it still isn't, go kill the store owners (not literally, please). Most angels problems are caused by the lpr and inline reg.

I'm sorry you're having so much trouble with such a great gun. IMO, angels are such great guns, they have always been but now with the G7 even more so, because they have such tight pneumatic tolerances.

However, there is a ketch 22: if not perfectly installed, and if not moderately taken care of (this mean cleaning any and all angels before sale if they've been on the shelf for more than a month, something too few stores/shops actually do), the gun will have big problems. In other words, if not installed and taken care of properly, the advantages of high ROF, which tight tolerances offers, bites one in the butt. Because of these tight tolerances, angels, or every one I've owned, also needs to be shot at least 4k times, w/ or w/o paint, to break the parts in.

Given your problems, a 3/10 is very fair. It isn't a matter of what we want to believe; it's what the reality is, what actually happens, which is most important. Just see what you can do to get it working, because once it's working there won't be anything better (even if it isn't the best). Good luck!

Enjoi -TPD

irsd123 Sunday, June 17th, 2007 | 11:56 pm PST
All angels come with a factory warranty. The only way to avoid getting this warrenty is to either do some crazy-stupid "custom mods", or to buy used. The problem with buying used is that the person selling the gun is selling it for a REASON. it could be anything from them getting out of the sport, to them having done some of the aforementioned crazy-stupid "custom mods".

A company cannot be faulted for what is done by a previous owner of a gun, and seeing as how you did not mention ever sending it to a WDP master tech (not just the normal "gun guy" at the local proshop) i would bet that you got this used.
Last edited on Sunday, June 17th, 2007 at 11:56 pm PST

str8killa303 Saturday, July 7th, 2007 | 5:51 am PST
Hey i understand how some guns come broken straight from the manufacturer but i mean dont blame the gun beacuse of there screw up lol 3-10 thats saying a tippman is better at least raise the stars man this gun is the best paintball has to offer in my oppinion at least give it a 6 lol so it look better then ions =)

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