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spyder_013 Sunday, June 10th, 2007
The accuracy of this review is disputed. Please see discussion below.
Period of
Product Use:
Less than a month
Paintball
Experience:
4 years
Similar
Products Used:
PGP - This is the updated version
Phantom - More expensive, I would give both these markers the same rating, Id liketo have both in my collection
USP - Its o.k. but its not a pump and not as accurate
Marker Setup: Spyder Imagine 03', Lapco Feed Neck, J&J Ceramic Barrel 14", 20oz. A/S Co2 Tank, VL eVLution II w/ Z-Board, Pure Energy Regulator, PMI Flame Drop, Shocktech Superfly Bolt, 32 Degrees LCD Frame, 32* Front Block and LPC, 32* On/ Off

Spyder Imagine 04', Mechanical Frame, 32* X-Chamber

PGP2K1, Bone Stock, Used as a Primary
Recommended
Upgrades:
Possibly a new speed gate if the stock one breaks.
Strengths: Pistol/ Pump
Runs on 12g
10ball capacity
Very consistent
Accurate
Weaknesses: No wedgits/ detents, not a huge problem
Review: I love this little marker. Right now im using it as a primary gun. It is very accurate and is very consistent, mine gets around 35 shots consistently to a 12g, + 5 drop off shots. Its a true stock class marker, and its fairly priced. The quick strip bolt is cool too, much better than other quick strips (like spyders) it is very fast and simple.

I have heard people have choping problems with the bolt, I havent broken a single ball due to the bolt, I have also heard that the speed gate breaks, which can be easily replaced, but I actually use the sights it has.

Its much better that the PGP1 becuase it has the speed gate, quick change co2, velocity adjuster and longer barrel... The longer barrel does nothing to help accuracy, but I remember with the Original that people would shoot their own finger because they would put it in front of the barrel on their pump stroke, Its pretty hard to do on this model.

It has no wedgits/ detents, but that is very easy to solve. all you do is put a small dab of nail polish where the ball sits and then try to roll the tye of paintballs you usually use down the barrel, if they get stuck, but still push out, it is perfect, if they get stuck and go through hard, you need to take a little off, If they keep rolling you need more nail polish... It is a quick fix to a problem... have it noted you will need to raise your velocity.
Conclusion: Very good marker for a fair price, If you want to get into SC playing but dont want to blow a lot of money this is the marker for you, I would even recomend it to serious SC players
Rating:
10 out of 10
 

Review Comments
3022 Sunday, November 18th, 2007 | 3:57 am PST
Dispute:
"... mine gets around 35 shots consistently to a 12g, + 5 drop off shots. ..."

This is imho impossible with the heavy stock hammer.

I own some PGPs, ZPGs, PGP2 and P68SC... and decent Chrono (with -+1% accuracy]. I know something about performance tuning. I can get 19-23 consistent shoots (280-260 fps) from homemade tunned old style PGPs, or about 30 from tunned P68SC with favourable conditions (good powerlet, good paint, temperature, slow shooting). But these all markers have polished internals, new custom valves, lightened hammers, well tunned spring combos. With stock PGP2 Im pretty sure, that performance will sinking after (at least) 22 shoot below 245 fps in every conditions.

Guy who wrote this review imho has not checked thier game impressions on chrono - you can get around 45 usable shoots from PGP2 (as well from old style PGP), but you can not get 35 consistent shoots. He wrote not bad review, but there are some misleading informations, however.
Last edited on Sunday, November 18th, 2007 at 3:59 am PST
   

spyder_013 Thursday, March 13th, 2008 | 1:40 pm PST
I just realized someone posted on here... I was using a good large bore paint... Nelson Special Forces (which is .689 in my Pipe Kit) plus I had put nail polish to act as a detent, this allowed me to dramatically drop the pressure (by backing out the velocity). I also had very good conditions, it was around 80* and no wind... I have never actually got my PGP to get the same results... I still get anywhere between 25 - 30 consistent shots, so the arguement is very valid, these are not likely results, I just used it as an example.
   

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