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maxwelbr Saturday, August 11th, 2007
The accuracy of this review is disputed. Please see discussion below.
Period of
Product Use:
3 months5 of 9 people found this review helpful.

Paintball
Experience:
3 years
Similar
Products Used:
No other .43 Gun. I have used many .68 scenario guns, such as a Recon E5, as well as upgraded/custom 98C and A5's.
Marker Setup: Tippmann A5
Hk33 Handguard
G3 Stock
Hk33 Mag Kit
12" Werks Barrel or 16" Progressive
Howitzer Bolt

Rap4 LE
3 Mags
Vert. Grip
Silencer
Recommended
Upgrades:
The LE is a MUST! I cannot stress this enough! The version4's just don't cut it anymore. The LE can be bought as an upgrade kit for $150, a whole new core for $290 or a new LE gun, $550 (same as a Rap4 standard). LE increses velocity with new internals, replaces the mono-filament ball detent with a rubber grommet (also increses reliability, less/no jams). A new barrel. (LE is discussed further in body)

More mags are a must for any sort of decent play. As many as your budget will allow. Along with mags is a shell catcher and a solid remote adaptor or a portable refil kit. This way you can keep the stock on.
Strengths: Realism
Accurate
Range
Reliable
Looks/feel
Weaknesses: Weight for some
High velocity
Rare parts
Rare paint
Review: To go into detail with the strengths and weaknesses:

Strengths: Well, if you like realism in you paintball, then this gun is great. When i say realism, I mean it. For some, it will be too realistic to handle. They will tire of loading each paintball into the shell, then each shell into the mags. The 21 round mags will be a burden on those trigger happy players. That's why you must be weary of this. Everything that comes with the real gun, you get with this. Goods and bads.

With the LE Upgrade, the range and accuracy is no longer an issue when playing against .68 guns. The accuracy, if tuned exactly, and using good paint with the LE barrel (copper lined barrel) you can match that of a .68 gun with a 1-piece barrel. Range is slightly less than that of a .68, but it is a sacrafice you have to make. Also, the smaller ball seems more prone to the wind, so be aware of this.

You need to reflect on your playing style when buying this gun. Are you a rusher or back? Do you like to sprint with your gun blazing and bunker people, or lay down cover? Dont get this gun. Period. The small magazines will not allow you to use cover fire, no will it allow you the freedom to make rushes with multiple enemies around. For those who are more of the flanking, stealthy or ambush players, this gun MAY be suited for you. The adjustments in playing style and mind-set is very different with this gun, more different than the gun itself. You may see someone and have surprise, but you will have to think not once but twice before going into the kill. You cannot just jump into the action, you need to plan things out. Although the full-auto can be very fast and help you get that extra step up on the enemy, you'll be hearing the click of death (empty mag) and need to reload fast.

My personal experiance with RAP4, the gun and company:

I've heard, said and believed the old saying that RAP=CRAP, but when i got the chance to trade old A5 parts for a RAP4 i jumped at it. The gun itself looks and feel awesome. The internals are on the rough side, especially the trigger. The trigger pull is heavy and rough, but you get used to it after a while. The gun takes tinkering, keep this in mind. Most of the tinerking for me was the velocity, rate of fire, barrel and mag catch/release. Upon getting the gun, the mag catch would not return when the release button was pressed. I filed this down on many occasions and had to replace a screw in the release button. The velocity is a must! You need to use about 200 balls to tune it for maximum performance, possibly more. Target balls would be a good buy for this if you have the money. You shoot a grouping, open the gun and adjust slightly until you get the best groupings. The barrel is a little fidgety, at least mine was. The previous owner had tightened the set screws too tight so the barrel was really hard to move. Its nothing major though, especially with the LE upgrade.

Trust me when i say you need the LE upgrade! I got this gun as a version 4, and it was jamming every other shot, range was bad and accuracy was worse! I don't know why, but casings would not eject for 3 shots, or shoot a dozen meters. I purchased the LE Upgrade Kit ($150) and basically recieved a new gun. RAP4 sent me a whole new LE core with LE barrel and grommet because the kit was out of stock. They sent me nearly $300 worth of parts when i paid for $150. This was a very great thing to do on their part. I was very pleased. Only thing that sucked was that i needed a new barrel adapter for the rubber grommet to seat properly. I called RAP4 wondering why and they told me the problem quickly and politely and after telling them my order number they sent me a new barrel adpater free. I have nothing but good things to say about their customer service thus far, and KT Tran, the owner, is a very polite person and very helpful through e-mail.

There is a noticeable differance between the LE and version 4. LE shoots 350-450fps, when the version 4 tops at 280. Be careful though, fields will most likely not allow the smaller paint size, and those that do might have a chrono limit of 300fps even for the smaller paint. It is safe to shoot the gun at 450fps however, because of simple physics. The mass of the ball is less, and thus the energy of the ball (even at 450fps) is still considerably less than that of a .68 at 250fps. No comments on the pain of getting hit though, have yet to experiance that. I'd assume that it would welt more because of the harder shell, but not hurt as much initially. I shot my brother from about 40 meters and he had a silver dollar size welt where it hit a minute after once i upgraded to the LE version. When i had the version 4, my friend shot himself in the bare foot point blank and didn't seem to hurt.

Conclusion: Is this gun for you? I'd say it probably isn't. It takes a special type of player to want the gun, and an even more unique player to use it effectively. When used right, it can be just like a .68 gun, plus the looks and realism that cannot be achieved by them. The paint can be ordered for about the same price as a average .68 paint (15-20 dollars for 500). It really comes to $30 with 500 casings however, thus a shell catcher is good. The AG1 forumula paint from RAP4 and its dealers works the best.

I'd say join the forums at www.rap4.com/forum and ask a bunch of questions. The folks there are great and very helpful. If you plan on using this as a primary, don't. It IS prone to breaking and parts are rare. Not that it breaks more than any other gun IF TREATED PROPERLY! but parts take longer to get and are more expensive. Get a reliable .68 that you can use any time, then get this gun. This can be a primary easily when it's working, but it will require proper care and tinkering to keep it going.

The gun is great fun to shoot, hold and play with. Its a really awesome gun for those who can use it and afford to use it properly. Really for the die-hard woodsballer or scenario player. It can be used in outlaw skirmishes too, just don't expect to use it all the time, especially at fields because most don't allow the .43 paint.

Keep in mind your playing style and reflect on the changes that will have to be made, THEN get the gun. Its a great gun if used to its potential and for this to happen it will be expensive and time consuming. The reward for this is the most realistic and cool gun ever built with accuracy that meets a .68cal gun and the range just short of it.

8/10 because of the fact that paint and parts are rare and it requires tinkering and tuning. Other than that, perfect in almost every way!
Rating:
8 out of 10
 

Review Comments
hollywood53 Thursday, September 13th, 2007 | 3:22 pm PST
Dispute:
LOL -your a tool -lol you seem smart with all the grammer but say fields might not let you use over 300fps ,this is laughable -you know they won't

1) quote "Be careful though, fields will most likely not allow the smaller paint size, and those that do might have a chrono limit of 300fps even for the smaller paint." OMG how can you insinuate this? you know dam well no field will let you play above 300fps as the industry stands today-shame on you -for not stating what you know the truth is...

2)quote "It is safe to shoot the gun at 450fps however, because of simple physics. The mass of the ball is less, and thus the energy of the ball (even at 450fps) is still considerably less than that of a .68 at 250fps". ~ if it is as you say "simple physic's" then Why don't the field insureance providers or any -let me say that again ANY Paintball goggle manufacturers agree with you?

3)quote "No comments on the pain of getting hit though, have yet to experiance that. I'd assume that it would welt more because of the harder shell" . ~ you can't use that eqasion because one projectile shell isdiff from the other -you would need same ball fill and same shell type and thickness to state this as a factual EQ.

4)quote "When i had the version 4, my friend shot himself in the bare foot point blank and didn't seem to hurt. --(cough-bulls%#@)


You are not being completely honest !

Hey I wonder you ever sold used cars? You apear to have the same "integrity" for it !!!
Last edited on Monday, September 24th, 2007 at 9:26 am PST
   

WarlockMercer Monday, October 22nd, 2007 | 6:10 pm PST
Dispute:
I read this review and was amused by not only the lack of grammar and spelling, but the blatant plug for the company. Tell me MAXIPAD, how long have you worked for RAP?
At any rate, I thought I'd add some comments here.

Strengths: Well, if you like realism in you paintball, then this gun is great. When i say realism, I mean it. For some, it will be too realistic to handle. They will tire of loading each paintball into the shell, then each shell into the mags. The 21 round mags will be a burden on those trigger happy players. That's why you must be weary of this. Everything that comes with the real gun, you get with this. Goods and bads
Have you ever actually fired an M4? Do you actually know what it's like? Having served my 20 years, I do. And, from professional experience, this weapon does not handle like the M4. It's very close to the same weight. It looks virtually exactly like it. But, it doesn't kick, it has a different trigger pull, it has a completely different mag weight when loaded and not and the stocks and grips are very cheaply plastic as well as an extremely low grade metal for the body. Sure, this is CLOSE to realistic, but not as close as MAXI here likes to let on.

With the LE Upgrade, the range and accuracy is no longer an issue when playing against .68 guns. The accuracy, if tuned exactly, and using good paint with the LE barrel (copper lined barrel) you can match that of a .68 gun with a 1-piece barrel. Range is slightly less than that of a .68, but it is a sacrafice you have to make. Also, the smaller ball seems more prone to the wind, so be aware of this.
This weapon hasn't got close to the range of a .68 marker. Whether version 4 or the LE. You're going to be out-ranged every time, not to mention the lack of firepower. As far as tuning. Yes, you have to tinker with this. Constantly. Every time you use it. It never stays tuned. So, if you like tinkering with the gun every time you pick it up, then that's fine. But, if you don't want to have to field strip your weapon every time you go out, then don't bother with this.

You need to reflect on your playing style when buying this gun. Are you a rusher or back? Do you like to sprint with your gun blazing and bunker people, or lay down cover? Dont get this gun. Period. The small magazines will not allow you to use cover fire, no will it allow you the freedom to make rushes with multiple enemies around. For those who are more of the flanking, stealthy or ambush players, this gun MAY be suited for you. The adjustments in playing style and mind-set is very different with this gun, more different than the gun itself. You may see someone and have surprise, but you will have to think not once but twice before going into the kill. You cannot just jump into the action, you need to plan things out. Although the full-auto can be very fast and help you get that extra step up on the enemy, you'll be hearing the click of death (empty mag) and need to reload fast.
This is paintball MAXI, not combat. Although I doubt you know what that's like either. People who go play paintball are going to want to rush, lay down fire, etc. If everyone you play with is playing scenario bushball, or milsim, then you've got a good crew. But, most players don't. This weapon won't keep up with anyone on the field, even a renter. It just can't lay down the level of fire you need on the paintball field. Now, if everyone ran with 21 rounds in the hopper, reloaded to 21 rounds every time they ran out, then you're set. But, that's a little un-realistic to ask of people.

My personal experiance with RAP4, the gun and company:
RAP employee? Betcha he is.

I've heard, said and believed the old saying that RAP=CRAP, but when i got the chance to trade old A5 parts for a RAP4 i jumped at it. The gun itself looks and feel awesome. The internals are on the rough side, especially the trigger. The trigger pull is heavy and rough, but you get used to it after a while. The gun takes tinkering, keep this in mind. Most of the tinerking for me was the velocity, rate of fire, barrel and mag catch/release. Upon getting the gun, the mag catch would not return when the release button was pressed. I filed this down on many occasions and had to replace a screw in the release button. The velocity is a must! You need to use about 200 balls to tune it for maximum performance, possibly more. Target balls would be a good buy for this if you have the money. You shoot a grouping, open the gun and adjust slightly until you get the best groupings. The barrel is a little fidgety, at least mine was. The previous owner had tightened the set screws too tight so the barrel was really hard to move. Its nothing major though, especially with the LE upgrade.
In this MAXI actually states all the reasons NOT to buy the gun. Rough parts, hard trigger pull, constant tinkering required, extremely high velocity required to run properly and at least keep up while not actually competing. He states he actually had to file parts on the weapon, which just voided his warranty (not like RAP would honour that warranty anyway).

Trust me when i say you need the LE upgrade! I got this gun as a version 4, and it was jamming every other shot, range was bad and accuracy was worse! I don't know why, but casings would not eject for 3 shots, or shoot a dozen meters. I purchased the LE Upgrade Kit ($150) and basically recieved a new gun. RAP4 sent me a whole new LE core with LE barrel and grommet because the kit was out of stock. They sent me nearly $300 worth of parts when i paid for $150. This was a very great thing to do on their part. I was very pleased. Only thing that sucked was that i needed a new barrel adapter for the rubber grommet to seat properly. I called RAP4 wondering why and they told me the problem quickly and politely and after telling them my order number they sent me a new barrel adpater free. I have nothing but good things to say about their customer service thus far, and KT Tran, the owner, is a very polite person and very helpful through e-mail.
Hmm...blatant plug to buy more parts for a gun that wouldn't fire properly stock? Seems to me that if you want to use this weapon, not only do you have to purchase the weapon, you have to purchase several hundred dollars in parts to play with it, although the majority of fields won't allow it due to the velocity. As far as KT Tran, well, what can you say? He's a joke, just like MAXIPAD's review.

There is a noticeable differance between the LE and version 4. LE shoots 350-450fps, when the version 4 tops at 280. Be careful though, fields will most likely not allow the smaller paint size, and those that do might have a chrono limit of 300fps even for the smaller paint. It is safe to shoot the gun at 450fps however, because of simple physics. The mass of the ball is less, and thus the energy of the ball (even at 450fps) is still considerably less than that of a .68 at 250fps. No comments on the pain of getting hit though, have yet to experiance that. I'd assume that it would welt more because of the harder shell, but not hurt as much initially. I shot my brother from about 40 meters and he had a silver dollar size welt where it hit a minute after once i upgraded to the LE version. When i had the version 4, my friend shot himself in the bare foot point blank and didn't seem to hurt.
The majority of fields out there won't allow .40 or .43 paint. It's insurance. The companies simply won't cover injuries from that paint. Also, they won't allow the weapon on the field due to the velocity requirements to fire properly.

In closing, it's apparent that MAXIPAD hasn't a clue. He's plugging an unsafe weapon, that he admits is poorly made, poorly constructed, absolutely MUST be upgraded so it'll fire properly. He's plugging a weapon that he states flat out isn't for pretty much every player out there unless you're taking the sport WAY too seriously, then at that point seek professional help.
All in all, this review shouldn't be taken very seriously. Paintballers know thier products, know what's good and what isn't. Let's touch on a few things here.

Paint. .40 or .43. Either won't be allowed on almost any field out there. If it is, then it's a smaller field, or it's a field that already has a group of players and they're trying to keep the business.
Construction. MAXI already stated it's poor construction, "rough parts". He's already stated he's had to file pieces here, completely replace pieces there. The company wants you to spend money, so the gun is made cheaply on purpose. More breaks=more parts purchased=more money in thier pockets and not in yours.
Performance. MAXI states the weapon performs poorly, must be worked on at all times.

All in all, a very poor review even if MAXI did give it an 8. To be honest, from a professional's point of view (retired army, 20 years, combat arms) it's substandard. Froma paintball player's view, it just plain sucks.
   

phecri902 Sunday, November 11th, 2007 | 1:25 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by hollywood53
LOL -your a tool -lol you seem smart with all the grammer but say fields might not let you use over 300fps ,this is laughable -you know they won't

1) quote "Be careful though, fields will most likely not allow the smaller paint size, and those that do might have a chrono limit of 300fps even for the smaller paint." OMG how can you insinuate this? you know dam well no field will let you play above 300fps as the industry stands today-shame on you -for not stating what you know the truth is...

2)quote "It is safe to shoot the gun at 450fps however, because of simple physics. The mass of the ball is less, and thus the energy of the ball (even at 450fps) is still considerably less than that of a .68 at 250fps". ~ if it is as you say "simple physic's" then Why don't the field insureance providers or any -let me say that again ANY Paintball goggle manufacturers agree with you?

3)quote "No comments on the pain of getting hit though, have yet to experiance that. I'd assume that it would welt more because of the harder shell" . ~ you can't use that eqasion because one projectile shell isdiff from the other -you would need same ball fill and same shell type and thickness to state this as a factual EQ.

4)quote "When i had the version 4, my friend shot himself in the bare foot point blank and didn't seem to hurt. --(cough-bulls%#@)


You are not being completely honest !

Hey I wonder you ever sold used cars? You apear to have the same "integrity" for it !!!



Holloywood, I think you're reading WAY too much into it. The questions you have posed to him (insurance companies, 300 fps chrono) have been BEAT TO DEATH on this and other forums for two years. I understand that you disagree with him, but I didn't find anything inherently wrong with the position he takes. He may not word things the way you would prefer, but he still made the points you're stressing. He used and liked the RAP4, and posted a review, even while acknowledging the flaws. If he can get away with using it above 300 fps at a commercial field, then more power to him. If he can't, then it shouldn't matter anyway, because when it comes to a product this different, any potential buyer should check at their local field BEFORE they buy. I think you should cut him a little slack. But I do agree that an 8 is a little high (I myself gave it a 7).
   

hollywood53 Sunday, November 11th, 2007 | 6:16 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by phecri902



Holloywood, I think you're reading WAY too much into it. The questions you have posed to him (insurance companies, 300 fps chrono) have been BEAT TO DEATH on this and other forums for two years. I understand that you disagree with him, but I didn't find anything inherently wrong with the position he takes. He may not word things the way you would prefer, but he still made the points you're stressing. He used and liked the RAP4, and posted a review, even while acknowledging the flaws. If he can get away with using it above 300 fps at a commercial field, then more power to him. If he can't, then it shouldn't matter anyway, because when it comes to a product this different, any potential buyer should check at their local field BEFORE they buy. I think you should cut him a little slack. But I do agree that an 8 is a little high (I myself gave it a 7).


How did I read too much into it when I quote his comments to the letter?
He is being misleading. if what you say "the way I prefer" means to be completely honest~ I'm ok with that.

You try minimize the 300fps industry rule not standard and what it means to this marker. You must remember the entire basis of this web site is to review PAINTBALL STUFF
this includes marker reviews and to mislead anyone is dishonest to begin with.
You say "beat to death" -HA, Are you trying to tell me that rules of the industry mean nothing and that if "he can get away with cheating the field fps rule he should?" WTF?, that amounts to cheating the cardinal fps rule the industry has. This marker is NOT FIELD LEGAL at 400 fps . Why should he have to "get away with it"?
Some of you just won't quit trying to circumvent the truth by bending,or just plain being dishonest about the rules and or the problems of spending so much $$$$ on a tech toy marketed to play paintball with that does not compete within the rules as they stand today. So once again prove what all of us have have said OR GIVE UP!

Be sure of this~ What I have said I know is truth based in fact not opinion period .
So no matter what, people who read about this 43 ca rap4 will have enough info here to do their own homework and judge for themselves .... my will be done no matter what dishonest running from the truth crap is spewed here. .....
PS read this guy above me's post, lol.

PEOPLE ARE NOT SHEEP THEY WILL READ ALL THIS AND JUDGE THEMSELVES.
THIS ="Stan_the_hitman" YOU LOSE!!!!!
Last edited on Saturday, November 17th, 2007 at 10:49 am PST
   

hollywood53 Sunday, November 11th, 2007 | 6:44 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by WarlockMercer
I read this review and was amused by not only the lack of grammar and spelling, but the blatant plug for the company. Tell me MAXIPAD, how long have you worked for RAP?
At any rate, I thought I'd add some comments here.

Strengths: Well, if you like realism in you paintball, then this gun is great. When i say realism, I mean it. For some, it will be too realistic to handle. They will tire of loading each paintball into the shell, then each shell into the mags. The 21 round mags will be a burden on those trigger happy players. That's why you must be weary of this. Everything that comes with the real gun, you get with this. Goods and bads
Have you ever actually fired an M4? Do you actually know what it's like? Having served my 20 years, I do. And, from professional experience, this weapon does not handle like the M4. It's very close to the same weight. It looks virtually exactly like it. But, it doesn't kick, it has a different trigger pull, it has a completely different mag weight when loaded and not and the stocks and grips are very cheaply plastic as well as an extremely low grade metal for the body. Sure, this is CLOSE to realistic, but not as close as MAXI here likes to let on.

With the LE Upgrade, the range and accuracy is no longer an issue when playing against .68 guns. The accuracy, if tuned exactly, and using good paint with the LE barrel (copper lined barrel) you can match that of a .68 gun with a 1-piece barrel. Range is slightly less than that of a .68, but it is a sacrafice you have to make. Also, the smaller ball seems more prone to the wind, so be aware of this.
This weapon hasn't got close to the range of a .68 marker. Whether version 4 or the LE. You're going to be out-ranged every time, not to mention the lack of firepower. As far as tuning. Yes, you have to tinker with this. Constantly. Every time you use it. It never stays tuned. So, if you like tinkering with the gun every time you pick it up, then that's fine. But, if you don't want to have to field strip your weapon every time you go out, then don't bother with this.

You need to reflect on your playing style when buying this gun. Are you a rusher or back? Do you like to sprint with your gun blazing and bunker people, or lay down cover? Dont get this gun. Period. The small magazines will not allow you to use cover fire, no will it allow you the freedom to make rushes with multiple enemies around. For those who are more of the flanking, stealthy or ambush players, this gun MAY be suited for you. The adjustments in playing style and mind-set is very different with this gun, more different than the gun itself. You may see someone and have surprise, but you will have to think not once but twice before going into the kill. You cannot just jump into the action, you need to plan things out. Although the full-auto can be very fast and help you get that extra step up on the enemy, you'll be hearing the click of death (empty mag) and need to reload fast.
This is paintball MAXI, not combat. Although I doubt you know what that's like either. People who go play paintball are going to want to rush, lay down fire, etc. If everyone you play with is playing scenario bushball, or milsim, then you've got a good crew. But, most players don't. This weapon won't keep up with anyone on the field, even a renter. It just can't lay down the level of fire you need on the paintball field. Now, if everyone ran with 21 rounds in the hopper, reloaded to 21 rounds every time they ran out, then you're set. But, that's a little un-realistic to ask of people.

My personal experiance with RAP4, the gun and company:
RAP employee? Betcha he is.

I've heard, said and believed the old saying that RAP=CRAP, but when i got the chance to trade old A5 parts for a RAP4 i jumped at it. The gun itself looks and feel awesome. The internals are on the rough side, especially the trigger. The trigger pull is heavy and rough, but you get used to it after a while. The gun takes tinkering, keep this in mind. Most of the tinerking for me was the velocity, rate of fire, barrel and mag catch/release. Upon getting the gun, the mag catch would not return when the release button was pressed. I filed this down on many occasions and had to replace a screw in the release button. The velocity is a must! You need to use about 200 balls to tune it for maximum performance, possibly more. Target balls would be a good buy for this if you have the money. You shoot a grouping, open the gun and adjust slightly until you get the best groupings. The barrel is a little fidgety, at least mine was. The previous owner had tightened the set screws too tight so the barrel was really hard to move. Its nothing major though, especially with the LE upgrade.
In this MAXI actually states all the reasons NOT to buy the gun. Rough parts, hard trigger pull, constant tinkering required, extremely high velocity required to run properly and at least keep up while not actually competing. He states he actually had to file parts on the weapon, which just voided his warranty (not like RAP would honour that warranty anyway).

Trust me when i say you need the LE upgrade! I got this gun as a version 4, and it was jamming every other shot, range was bad and accuracy was worse! I don't know why, but casings would not eject for 3 shots, or shoot a dozen meters. I purchased the LE Upgrade Kit ($150) and basically recieved a new gun. RAP4 sent me a whole new LE core with LE barrel and grommet because the kit was out of stock. They sent me nearly $300 worth of parts when i paid for $150. This was a very great thing to do on their part. I was very pleased. Only thing that sucked was that i needed a new barrel adapter for the rubber grommet to seat properly. I called RAP4 wondering why and they told me the problem quickly and politely and after telling them my order number they sent me a new barrel adpater free. I have nothing but good things to say about their customer service thus far, and KT Tran, the owner, is a very polite person and very helpful through e-mail.
Hmm...blatant plug to buy more parts for a gun that wouldn't fire properly stock? Seems to me that if you want to use this weapon, not only do you have to purchase the weapon, you have to purchase several hundred dollars in parts to play with it, although the majority of fields won't allow it due to the velocity. As far as KT Tran, well, what can you say? He's a joke, just like MAXIPAD's review.

There is a noticeable differance between the LE and version 4. LE shoots 350-450fps, when the version 4 tops at 280. Be careful though, fields will most likely not allow the smaller paint size, and those that do might have a chrono limit of 300fps even for the smaller paint. It is safe to shoot the gun at 450fps however, because of simple physics. The mass of the ball is less, and thus the energy of the ball (even at 450fps) is still considerably less than that of a .68 at 250fps. No comments on the pain of getting hit though, have yet to experiance that. I'd assume that it would welt more because of the harder shell, but not hurt as much initially. I shot my brother from about 40 meters and he had a silver dollar size welt where it hit a minute after once i upgraded to the LE version. When i had the version 4, my friend shot himself in the bare foot point blank and didn't seem to hurt.
The majority of fields out there won't allow .40 or .43 paint. It's insurance. The companies simply won't cover injuries from that paint. Also, they won't allow the weapon on the field due to the velocity requirements to fire properly.

In closing, it's apparent that MAXIPAD hasn't a clue. He's plugging an unsafe weapon, that he admits is poorly made, poorly constructed, absolutely MUST be upgraded so it'll fire properly. He's plugging a weapon that he states flat out isn't for pretty much every player out there unless you're taking the sport WAY too seriously, then at that point seek professional help.
All in all, this review shouldn't be taken very seriously. Paintballers know thier products, know what's good and what isn't. Let's touch on a few things here.

Paint. .40 or .43. Either won't be allowed on almost any field out there. If it is, then it's a smaller field, or it's a field that already has a group of players and they're trying to keep the business.
Construction. MAXI already stated it's poor construction, "rough parts". He's already stated he's had to file pieces here, completely replace pieces there. The company wants you to spend money, so the gun is made cheaply on purpose. More breaks=more parts purchased=more money in thier pockets and not in yours.
Performance. MAXI states the weapon performs poorly, must be worked on at all times.

All in all, a very poor review even if MAXI did give it an 8. To be honest, from a professional's point of view (retired army, 20 years, combat arms) it's substandard. Froma paintball player's view, it just plain sucks.


finaly someone who's honest.
this is great ! You my friend Have my respect.
   

phecri902 Thursday, November 15th, 2007 | 1:44 am PST
Holloywood, I'm not saying that you're wrong. I'm just saying that it doesn't look like he's trying to lie to anyone. If he plays at a commercial field that for some stupid reason allows him to chrono higher than 300 (which is a GREAT way for the field to get itself shut down), then there's nothing you or I can do (I don't even know what STATE this guy's in :P ). To me he just seems like an enthusiastic young kid who's trying to post a review about what he thinks is the coolest thing since sliced bread. I just think you came down on him too hard, that's all.
I never meant that industry standard rules meant nothing. All I meant was that the industry rules have been pointed out repeatedly (and rightly so, I should add), and that most people who are doing research will have found that information by now.
Anytime someone asks my about my RAP4 (or RAM, whatever you wanna call it) and about getting one, the first thing I do is point out that commercial field performance with the model that meets 300 fps chrono (Version 4) is pretty poor, and that the only real reason to get the upgraded versions is if the person plays in backyards. I've played like that with my chrono down about 340, and I haven't had any issues with pain or goggle shots. I take care to not shoot at point blank, of course (a courtesy thing).
I never said, nor meant to imply that you were wrong, because the points you bring up are absolutely right. I was just asking you to go a little easy on the guy, so that we can all deliberate about this kind of stuff in a mature manner, instead of critisizing each other and starting flame wars on the forums and fields. (The eternal war between the speedball/woodsball crowds the world over is a great example of friendly debate gone horribly awry.)
On a side note, I'm not sure if I upset you or angered you since our last conversation on here, or remember how I could have done so. If I did, I'm sorry. I don't want us to be enemies.
   

hollywood53 Saturday, November 17th, 2007 | 10:41 am PST
quote:
Originally posted by phecri902
Holloywood, I'm not saying that you're wrong. I'm just saying that it doesn't look like he's trying to lie to anyone. If he plays at a commercial field that for some stupid reason allows him to chrono higher than 300 (which is a GREAT way for the field to get itself shut down), then there's nothing you or I can do (I don't even know what STATE this guy's in :P ). To me he just seems like an enthusiastic young kid who's trying to post a review about what he thinks is the coolest thing since sliced bread. I just think you came down on him too hard, that's all.
I never meant that industry standard rules meant nothing. All I meant was that the industry rules have been pointed out repeatedly (and rightly so, I should add), and that most people who are doing research will have found that information by now.
Anytime someone asks my about my RAP4 (or RAM, whatever you wanna call it) and about getting one, the first thing I do is point out that commercial field performance with the model that meets 300 fps chrono (Version 4) is pretty poor, and that the only real reason to get the upgraded versions is if the person plays in backyards. I've played like that with my chrono down about 340, and I haven't had any issues with pain or goggle shots. I take care to not shoot at point blank, of course (a courtesy thing).
I never said, nor meant to imply that you were wrong, because the points you bring up are absolutely right. I was just asking you to go a little easy on the guy, so that we can all deliberate about this kind of stuff in a mature manner, instead of critisizing each other and starting flame wars on the forums and fields. (The eternal war between the speedball/woodsball crowds the world over is a great example of friendly debate gone horribly awry.)
On a side note, I'm not sure if I upset you or angered you since our last conversation on here, or remember how I could have done so. If I did, I'm sorry. I don't want us to be enemies.


I am honestly sorry about the level of let's say "Enthusiam", it gets away from me at times. My intentions are not to be mean but it comes out that way . Some of the other posters here in the recent past half been just plain dishonest and I use that word loosely.
But let me say to you Phecri902 I will treat you with the ut-most respect not just common respect because you have proven to be the bigger man when it comes to being level headed.
please accept my sincere apologies and thanks for your honesty.

Ps I am truly happy you are satisfied with your ram . I do think they are cool -and would probably buy one just for the cool factor and to goof with if they weren't so much$ . my wife says I have enough toys now,(02 timmy, Dm-5, 06 shocker, Pmr/ultralight, and a Etek ego)to name a few(I know I know Gun whore-lol). I would hate to see anyone spend their hard earned cash on something and be disappointed, god knows I have a list of lemons from the last 18 years of playing ball .

thanks for your patience and honesty , your a stand up guy. :o)
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phecri902 Saturday, November 17th, 2007 | 1:12 pm PST
Thanks, man :) I just want everyone to be able to meet in the middle. Only by doing that will we be able to help our sport prosper, regardless of what marker poeple pack onto the field
   

maxwelbr Monday, December 10th, 2007 | 2:26 pm PST
@ Hollywood's first dispute

1) quote "Be careful though, fields will most likely not allow the smaller paint size, and those that do might have a chrono limit of 300fps even for the smaller paint." OMG how can you insinuate this? you know dam well no field will let you play above 300fps as the industry stands today-shame on you -for not stating what you know the truth is...

I can say this because two fields (in fact, 100% of the fields i have been to besides an indoor field) allow .43 paint and one of these allows them to be chrono'd over 300fps but under 400fps which is what I find is optimal.

2)quote "It is safe to shoot the gun at 450fps however, because of simple physics. The mass of the ball is less, and thus the energy of the ball (even at 450fps) is still considerably less than that of a .68 at 250fps". ~ if it is as you say "simple physic's" then Why don't the field insureance providers or any -let me say that again ANY Paintball goggle manufacturers agree with you?

.43 paint has never been tested on goggles. Shoot any goggle safe for .68 play and it will take a .43 at 450fps no problem. .43 has less energy at even 600FPS than a .68 at 300. Period.

3)quote "No comments on the pain of getting hit though, have yet to experiance that. I'd assume that it would welt more because of the harder shell" . ~ you can't use that eqasion because one projectile shell isdiff from the other -you would need same ball fill and same shell type and thickness to state this as a factual EQ.

...What equation are you talking about? The .43 balls that I use have a harder, cracking shell than most .68 balls. I was in fact wrong about this however, as it hurts more but leaves LESS of a welt than a .68.

4)quote "When i had the version 4, my friend shot himself in the bare foot point blank and didn't seem to hurt. --(cough-bulls%#@)

He shot himself in his bare foot and claimed it didn't hurt. I wouldn't have done it, and maybe it did hurt but thats what happened. With the LE upgrade, getting shot hurts like heck, version 4, not so much.

Just as a side note..have you ever used a rap4, or are you just running around the net bashing them?
   

maxwelbr Monday, December 10th, 2007 | 2:47 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by WarlockMercer
I read this review and was amused by not only the lack of grammar and spelling, but the blatant plug for the company. Tell me MAXIPAD, how long have you worked for RAP?
At any rate, I thought I'd add some comments here.

Strengths: Well, if you like realism in you paintball, then this gun is great. When i say realism, I mean it. For some, it will be too realistic to handle. They will tire of loading each paintball into the shell, then each shell into the mags. The 21 round mags will be a burden on those trigger happy players. That's why you must be weary of this. Everything that comes with the real gun, you get with this. Goods and bads
Have you ever actually fired an M4? Do you actually know what it's like? Having served my 20 years, I do. And, from professional experience, this weapon does not handle like the M4. It's very close to the same weight. It looks virtually exactly like it. But, it doesn't kick, it has a different trigger pull, it has a completely different mag weight when loaded and not and the stocks and grips are very cheaply plastic as well as an extremely low grade metal for the body. Sure, this is CLOSE to realistic, but not as close as MAXI here likes to let on.

With the LE Upgrade, the range and accuracy is no longer an issue when playing against .68 guns. The accuracy, if tuned exactly, and using good paint with the LE barrel (copper lined barrel) you can match that of a .68 gun with a 1-piece barrel. Range is slightly less than that of a .68, but it is a sacrafice you have to make. Also, the smaller ball seems more prone to the wind, so be aware of this.
This weapon hasn't got close to the range of a .68 marker. Whether version 4 or the LE. You're going to be out-ranged every time, not to mention the lack of firepower. As far as tuning. Yes, you have to tinker with this. Constantly. Every time you use it. It never stays tuned. So, if you like tinkering with the gun every time you pick it up, then that's fine. But, if you don't want to have to field strip your weapon every time you go out, then don't bother with this.

You need to reflect on your playing style when buying this gun. Are you a rusher or back? Do you like to sprint with your gun blazing and bunker people, or lay down cover? Dont get this gun. Period. The small magazines will not allow you to use cover fire, no will it allow you the freedom to make rushes with multiple enemies around. For those who are more of the flanking, stealthy or ambush players, this gun MAY be suited for you. The adjustments in playing style and mind-set is very different with this gun, more different than the gun itself. You may see someone and have surprise, but you will have to think not once but twice before going into the kill. You cannot just jump into the action, you need to plan things out. Although the full-auto can be very fast and help you get that extra step up on the enemy, you'll be hearing the click of death (empty mag) and need to reload fast.
This is paintball MAXI, not combat. Although I doubt you know what that's like either. People who go play paintball are going to want to rush, lay down fire, etc. If everyone you play with is playing scenario bushball, or milsim, then you've got a good crew. But, most players don't. This weapon won't keep up with anyone on the field, even a renter. It just can't lay down the level of fire you need on the paintball field. Now, if everyone ran with 21 rounds in the hopper, reloaded to 21 rounds every time they ran out, then you're set. But, that's a little un-realistic to ask of people.

My personal experiance with RAP4, the gun and company:
RAP employee? Betcha he is.

Good job, you are a superb detective and caught me on that one. I work for RAP4. I live in Canada, countless miles away from California and am attending school, but I find time to fly down there to work for them. While there, they pay me to write reviews of their markers. Oh well, cover is blown.

Tool.


I've heard, said and believed the old saying that RAP=CRAP, but when i got the chance to trade old A5 parts for a RAP4 i jumped at it. The gun itself looks and feel awesome. The internals are on the rough side, especially the trigger. The trigger pull is heavy and rough, but you get used to it after a while. The gun takes tinkering, keep this in mind. Most of the tinerking for me was the velocity, rate of fire, barrel and mag catch/release. Upon getting the gun, the mag catch would not return when the release button was pressed. I filed this down on many occasions and had to replace a screw in the release button. The velocity is a must! You need to use about 200 balls to tune it for maximum performance, possibly more. Target balls would be a good buy for this if you have the money. You shoot a grouping, open the gun and adjust slightly until you get the best groupings. The barrel is a little fidgety, at least mine was. The previous owner had tightened the set screws too tight so the barrel was really hard to move. Its nothing major though, especially with the LE upgrade.
In this MAXI actually states all the reasons NOT to buy the gun. Rough parts, hard trigger pull, constant tinkering required, extremely high velocity required to run properly and at least keep up while not actually competing. He states he actually had to file parts on the weapon, which just voided his warranty (not like RAP would honour that warranty anyway).


Yes, I did give cons about this gun, as it is a review and I expressed what I thought was good AND bad. I fixed all the problems I had on my own but when I broke my safety by dropping the gun on my fireplace while trying to remove it, RAP sent me a new safety anyway. On top of that, they sent me a brand new LE core instead of the LE parts because they were out of stock. They also sent me a barrel adaptor free with my safety when the LE barrel I got didn't fit my version 4 adaptor.

Trust me when i say you need the LE upgrade! I got this gun as a version 4, and it was jamming every other shot, range was bad and accuracy was worse! I don't know why, but casings would not eject for 3 shots, or shoot a dozen meters. I purchased the LE Upgrade Kit ($150) and basically recieved a new gun. RAP4 sent me a whole new LE core with LE barrel and grommet because the kit was out of stock. They sent me nearly $300 worth of parts when i paid for $150. This was a very great thing to do on their part. I was very pleased. Only thing that sucked was that i needed a new barrel adapter for the rubber grommet to seat properly. I called RAP4 wondering why and they told me the problem quickly and politely and after telling them my order number they sent me a new barrel adpater free. I have nothing but good things to say about their customer service thus far, and KT Tran, the owner, is a very polite person and very helpful through e-mail.
Hmm...blatant plug to buy more parts for a gun that wouldn't fire properly stock? Seems to me that if you want to use this weapon, not only do you have to purchase the weapon, you have to purchase several hundred dollars in parts to play with it, although the majority of fields won't allow it due to the velocity. As far as KT Tran, well, what can you say? He's a joke, just like MAXIPAD's review.

Have you ever researched this marker? You can buy the LE marker for the exact same price as the Version 4. I TRADED parts for the rap4 which was a version 4 and decided to spend the $150 on it. It was the best $150 I spent on any of my markers.

There is a noticeable differance between the LE and version 4. LE shoots 350-450fps, when the version 4 tops at 280. Be careful though, fields will most likely not allow the smaller paint size, and those that do might have a chrono limit of 300fps even for the smaller paint. It is safe to shoot the gun at 450fps however, because of simple physics. The mass of the ball is less, and thus the energy of the ball (even at 450fps) is still considerably less than that of a .68 at 250fps. No comments on the pain of getting hit though, have yet to experiance that. I'd assume that it would welt more because of the harder shell, but not hurt as much initially. I shot my brother from about 40 meters and he had a silver dollar size welt where it hit a minute after once i upgraded to the LE version. When i had the version 4, my friend shot himself in the bare foot point blank and didn't seem to hurt.
The majority of fields out there won't allow .40 or .43 paint. It's insurance. The companies simply won't cover injuries from that paint. Also, they won't allow the weapon on the field due to the velocity requirements to fire properly.

Yes, that's been covered, but some fields do allow them and I know one that allows it over 300fps during private play. Not during walk-ons beacuse it does hurt more and wouldn't be fair to newer players.

In closing, it's apparent that MAXIPAD hasn't a clue. He's plugging an unsafe weapon, that he admits is poorly made, poorly constructed, absolutely MUST be upgraded so it'll fire properly. He's plugging a weapon that he states flat out isn't for pretty much every player out there unless you're taking the sport WAY too seriously, then at that point seek professional help.
All in all, this review shouldn't be taken very seriously. Paintballers know thier products, know what's good and what isn't. Let's touch on a few things here.

Why shouldn't this review be taken seriously? I gave pros and cons of the marker that I noticed in an unbiased fashion. Its an honest reivew. But nevermind the fact that I did that, I should go 'seek professional' help because I prefer scenario paintball and woodsball. You prove your points well 'WarlockMercer', solid arguments with an equally mature name.

Paint. .40 or .43. Either won't be allowed on almost any field out there. If it is, then it's a smaller field, or it's a field that already has a group of players and they're trying to keep the business.
Construction. MAXI already stated it's poor construction, "rough parts". He's already stated he's had to file pieces here, completely replace pieces there. The company wants you to spend money, so the gun is made cheaply on purpose. More breaks=more parts purchased=more money in thier pockets and not in yours.
Performance. MAXI states the weapon performs poorly, must be worked on at all times.

All in all, a very poor review even if MAXI did give it an 8. To be honest, from a professional's point of view (retired army, 20 years, combat arms) it's substandard. Froma paintball player's view, it just plain sucks.


You are a professional...in....reviewing paintball products...? Oh..retired army, I'm sorry. That makes your opinion much more valuable to everyone, even though you probably only have a highschool education and can tell me how to fix a jam better than write a report in APA style format, let alone a review on a paintball marker. Besides that, it's doubtless that your experiance as a paintball player makes your opinion on my review more worthy.

And whats with the quotes again and again? You keep saying 'MAXI' (very clevar indeed, if you were my friend in Grade 3 you would've fit right in..well done) says: "etc etc etc". Yes, I wrote that. I wrote the cons for the marker as well, and people read them just as closely as you did. But thanks for brining them up to agree with them, that helped. Don't use 'MAXI' again. Your name is 'WarlockMercer'...tool.

   

GUNFIGHTER9 Thursday, December 13th, 2007 | 11:48 pm PST
Hey MAXI, what a great response. LOL!

WarlockMercer, thank you for echoing what I have been saying about rap4, and its products and service for three years now. It's nice to now that I'm not the only one who was willing to call a lemon, a lemon. By the way congratulations on 20 years. I spent three years as a 120mm Mortar Gunner at Fort Hood, Follow Me!
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Lopez17 Friday, December 14th, 2007 | 12:47 pm PST
Gentlemen. Watch the flaming and personal attacks. It's ok to respond to comments but do so in a constructive manner without resorting to name calling and other childish behavior. If I get a report about this again, I'll ban the offending parties and remove your reviews.
   

maxwelbr Friday, December 14th, 2007 | 12:48 pm PST
May you outline (in point form, I don't need quotes you morons) what the flaws are in my review? If you don't like the marker, that's fine. If you don't like the company, thats fine, but don't let your bias/opinions influance how you react to reviews. I reviewed in the least baised way I could. I also own a Sypder, a GameFace E5, a Tippmann A5, a tippmann 98c, have used mr2's, pimps etc etc and like the RAP the least of all of them to be honest, but I didn't bash it because I feel its worthy of some pros as it is definately a marker with some awesome features as well as bad ones.

gunfighter9..nice name by the way..find something else to do than go about bashing RAP. This is a dispute page, and you've disputed nothing nor have you even agreed with any of the disputes and gave a reason why. Help make pbreview an informative place for players searching for new markers by keeping your opinions organized, to the point and without bias. Don't just say "this sucks", it doesn't help anyone.
   

hollywood53 Friday, January 30th, 2009 | 12:25 am PST
quote:
Originally posted by maxwelbr
May you outline (in point form, I don't need quotes you morons) what the flaws are in my review? If you don't like the marker, that's fine. If you don't like the company, thats fine, but don't let your bias/opinions influance how you react to reviews. I reviewed in the least baised way I could. I also own a Sypder, a GameFace E5, a Tippmann A5, a tippmann 98c, have used mr2's, pimps etc etc and like the RAP the least of all of them to be honest, but I didn't bash it because I feel its worthy of some pros as it is definately a marker with some awesome features as well as bad ones.

gunfighter9..nice name by the way..find something else to do than go about bashing RAP. This is a dispute page, and you've disputed nothing nor have you even agreed with any of the disputes and gave a reason why. Help make pbreview an informative place for players searching for new markers by keeping your opinions organized, to the point and without bias. Don't just say "this sucks", it doesn't help anyone.


You post a comment right after Lopez17 says to watch the "personal insults and call a guy a moron? hmmmm... tissk tissk.

amongst all my comments I think I have asked allot of the right questions and BEEN GIVEN NO ANSWERS....I have no bias JUST TRUTH AND FACT!!! GO AHEAD TRY TO PROVE ME WRONG ABOUT WHAT I'VE STATED AS FACTS. BUT LIKE I KEEP SAYING DO IT WITH FACT ONE MORE TIME FACT NOT BIAS OPINIONS.
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hollywood53 Friday, February 6th, 2009 | 4:25 pm PST
Ok maxwelbr ONE MORE TIME

(maxwelbr wrote)
@ Hollywood's first dispute

1) (maxwelbr)quote "Be careful though, fields will most likely not allow the smaller paint size, and those that do might have a chrono limit of 300fps even for the smaller paint." (hollywood)OMG how can you insinuate this? you know dam well no field will let you play above 300fps as the industry stands today-shame on you -for not stating what you know the truth is...

(maxwelbr)I can say this because two fields (in fact, 100% of the fields i have been to besides an indoor field) allow .43 paint and one of these allows them to be chrono'd over 300fps but under 400fps which is what I find is optimal.=
(hollywood)Lies 1ST i NEVER SAID FIELDS WOULD'NT ALLOW 43 CAL PAINT-GET IT RIGHT! -Astm rules strictly prohibit any~again~ ANY PAINTBALL MARKER SHOOTING OVER 300 FPS, THIS IS NON-NEGOTIABLE . Just because you supposably found two outlaw fields that throw the industry rules out the window does not make you right. now to put this 300fps to rest-readers look for yourselves call any legitimate tournament organization(it's industry wide not just tourney's) and ask for yourselves period.

2)(maxwelbr)quote "It is safe to shoot the gun at 450fps however, because of simple physics. The mass of the ball is less, and thus the energy of the ball (even at 450fps) is still considerably less than that of a .68 at 250fps". ~(hollywood) if it is as you say "simple physic's" then Why don't the field insurance providers or any -let me say that again ANY Paintball goggle manufacturers agree with you?

(maxwelbr).43 paint has never been tested on goggles. Shoot any goggle safe for .68 play and it will take a .43 at 450fps no problem. .43 has less energy at even 600FPS than a .68 at 300. Period.
(hollywood) LIES! I have shot these 43cal paintballs and they are much harder than any 68 ca paint this simply means your figures are BS WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR FACTS?SERIOUSLY WHERE? AYFKM 600FPS YOUR NUTS THATS ROUGHLY 400MPH YOU DO REALIZE THAT RIGHT, EVEN AT A 43 CAL 400MPH IS DANGEROUS. YOU MY FRIEND HAVE LOST EVEN MORE CREDIBILITY IN MY OPINION. At the time I wrote this and again today I called DYE, JT ,PROTO, VENTS , V-FORCE (today I added game face to this list by calling them and some of these are the same corp.) AND NOT ONE WILL GUARANTEE ABOVE 300FPS.Or maybe with your engineering degree your willing to accept criminal liability and guarantee it yourself... ARE YA SEEING A PATTERN HER OR YA NEED SOME MORE TRUTH?

3)(maxwelbr)quote "No comments on the pain of getting hit though, have yet to experiance that. I'd assume that it would welt more because of the harder shell" . ~ you can't use that eqasion because one projectile shell isdiff from the other -you would need same ball fill and same shell type and thickness to state this as a factual EQ.

.(maxwelbr)..What equation are you talking about? The .43 balls that I use have a harder, cracking shell than most .68 balls. I was in fact wrong about this however, as it hurts more but leaves LESS of a welt than a .68.
(hollywood)AHH-THIS WE WILL AGREE ON LESS MASS = LESS WELT! now my explanation you didn't like well I got that from the great folks at "Karnage paintballs" and "RPS paintball" manufactures agreed

4)(maxwelbr)quote "When i had the version 4, my friend shot himself in the bare foot point blank and didn't seem to hurt. --(cough-bulls%#@)

(maxwelbr)He shot himself in his bare foot and claimed it didn't hurt. I wouldn't have done it, and maybe it did hurt but thats what happened. With the LE upgrade, getting shot hurts like heck, version 4, not so much.
(hollywood) this I'll budge on because it's only my opinion :o)

(maxwelbr)Just as a side note..have you ever used a rap4, or are you just running around the net bashing them?

(hollywood) See now you've started to sound like the paranoids are after you and your RaP4.
I have went NO WHERE ELSE ON THE NET to bash rap4 and by the way what you name as BASHING rap I have searched out and found what I have said to be truth before I ever stated anything here. I found this web site because I was going to spend my hard earned cash on one of these way cool tech toys because I saw their website (I found out later that so deceitfully advertised this as a paintball marker as to be able to go play paintball with.)So I came here and saw a few people that had problems and made a lot of accusations , now a few of you needlessly bashed these people for thier"opinions" so I set out to GET FACTS! and thats what I did so if you don't like the facts well then stick to your fiction! I truly thank those people who used this forum to voice their problems if they would not have I would have spent alot of my money on this NON_PAINTBALL FIELD LEGAL MARKER.


Listen maxwelbr your probably a decent person so just understand Rap4 made a really cool piece of tech here but it simply was a lie and wrong to market it as so to lead people to believe you could go play "PAINTBALL" with it as the industry stands still today. This is so provable all people have to do is look for themselves .

This sites name is PBREVIEW.COM=paintball review.com=PAINTBALL so I don't challenge why you would review a 43 cal paint marker here. it's all stated in all my comments. if I have offended you then sincerely accept my apologies it was not my original intent.

Now put all this behind you and for gods sake move on rap makes a realy kool 68 cal line of markers and accessories , do ya notice I have no posts there -wow I just take a stand where it comes to a few people stating their opinions as the gospel and downing others for their "opinions" if you don't like it then ask the web site why they have ............WAIT FOR IT......"A DISPUTE OPTION???" I've been playing for 18+ years and it's all about the fun of the sport bro :o)
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