2K5 Black Magic Autococker (own)
Evil Pimp (tested)
Invert Mini (tested several times)
Ion (tested several times)
Various E-spyder clones (owned and tested)
2K5 Black Magic Autococker (Black/Red)
Pure Energy 68/3000 Tank
Evil Pipe Kit
Proto SLG (Olive)
CP 2 Piece Barrel (black)
PE 48/3000 Tank
VL Evolution II
Empire nano On/Off
2K5 Trilogy Competition
Shocktech Superfly Bolt
Shocktech Cocking Rod
Dye Sticky 3 Grips
WGP Cam Adjuster
Evil Pipe Kit
16 Oz CO2 with A/S
VL Revvy with Empire Sound Board
On/Off (see body)
Simplicity of design
Backed by a good company
Quiet (though not like Matrixes)
Barrel (can't expect too much at $250)
Feedneck (see barrel)
I saw a demo version of this gun at my local store and I decided that I liked it. Normally I don't like to be a guinea pig when new markers come out, but in this case I made an exception. I got my olive SLG last week and had a chance to take it out.
The First Impressions:
This is one SMALL Gun. I actually didn't notice this completely until I had the marker gassed up and ready to play, but there was very little difference in the way of weight compared to a matrix and it is quite noticably lighter than my BM, Trilly, the Pimp or any of the Ions that I've tested. The body is absolutely gorgeous and there were no marks, and the grips are actually quite nice. Its a very simple look, but I like it.
The marker came in an absolutely tiny box, but it is pretty well protected. Its not like the mini's case, but I think I'll still store the marker in it. Inside it comes with a pretty simple Proto barrel, some lube, an extra o-ring kit, extra detents, a battery, and the crappiest barrel sock you've ever seen (seriously Dye can you not even put your name on it?). Curiously, my package was missing an instruction manual. Though I had no trouble finding one on the net, it was a little annoying.
Again, this marker is very light, I think it weighs as much with the tank as my friend's pimp does without (that might be a stretch). After gasing up I went to chrono and a few shots later I was getting about +/- 8. Seeing as I haven't broken the reg in yet I was pretty happy. The electronics are very simple and easy to figure out, they have all kinds of modes that I'll never use and the eyes seem to work fairly well. I'd heard of some people having trouble with the eyes when using small bore paint, but my paint sized out at .686 and I had absolutely no trouble. I've also heard of some people having trouble with the detents, but again mine seem fine, even when I ran some reballs through it. Once in the game I was walking the trigger fairly well (bear in mind I can't outshoot a Revvy without ramping). I didn't check the bps I was getting to give you data, but it probably wasn't more than about 10 (human limitation not the gun). The trigger isn't the best in the world, but I haven't really played with it at this point. Besides you can't expect perfection in a value-priced marker. As for accuracy, it was very good for me (I was using a barrel kit so I had a good paint match). I suspect that I will get VERY good accuracy once the reg is broken in- comparable to my autocockers, or the Mini's I've used. Finally, maintenance looks to be a cinch: the bolt is simple to remove (especially with the purge button on the back) and the lubing/regulator disassembly is well outlined in the manual. I didn't have any breaks in my time, but if I did the main body would be very easy to clean.
After about an hour of use, the hosing blew off of the marker while I still had it gassed up. Fortunately I was prepared for this since again, I had heard of some people having this problem. I took this opportunity to put my Empire on/off on the gun, rather than deal with fixing the Airport, but it seems like this may be a problem for the SLG. Hopefully they'll clear it up in the second run of the guns (remember the Mini had all kinds of proplems in its first run too). The only other problem for me is the feedneck which is not very useful at all. Given the price, its probably unfair to expect a clamping feedneck, but the o-ring system is useless. For now I just removed the o-rings and taped the bottom of my hopper until it fit. In the future I'll probably get a new feedneck, but for now my solution works just fine.
The new Hyper 3 Reg will rotate 360 degrees where the hose screws in. I'm sure that they have their reasons for this, but I would prefer them to just lock the position (if there is a way to do this please message me with how).
At the moment I can't speak to battery life, or efficiency since I've only had about 600 balls through it. I'll try to update as I use it. Also, since I obviously have only had it out once I can't speak to reliability.
Update (Jan 9/08):
I ended up having the detents wear down after about a case and a half, but after calling Dye I have a spring loaded set on the way (apparently the detents are a problem in the first run).
I've now put about 2.5 cases through the gun with the batteries still going strong.
Beyond that no problems with the gun, will update after I get the new detents.
Update (May 21/08)
I've now had the gun for about 6 months and I couldn't be happier. I've actually managed to set the stock trigger such that I'm very happy and won't bother updating it. I've managed 12 bps unaided and hit the 20's with ramping. With the detents replaced I haven't had a single chop with either the eyes on or off. And after having a chance to play around with the modes I can say that the changing of modes is a very simple process, It is NOT DIFFICULT at all. I doubt that I will bother updating the board.
The battery life is very good, I've probably put 4 cases through it and still haven't had any problems. The only problem is that the battery is a relatively tight fit in the grip frame, so sometimes getting that battery out at the end of the day takes a minute.
As for efficiency: On my 48/3000 I get about 600-650 shots off before a refill (which is only slightly worse efficiency then they claim in the advert).
I'm overall very happy with the gun. For the market its geared towards it is a very good deal. There are a few things that could be improved upon (and hopefully that ASA issue can get cleared up). That said I bought this gun for it to be a backup to my Black Magic, and I might end up using it as my primary after a few upgrades. In the end I'm going to give it an 8, with the ASA, the feedneck, and the missing instruction manual keeping it from getting higher marks.
8 out of 10
Last edited on Wednesday, May 21st, 2008 at 11:20 am PST
quote:Originally posted by smythers You said you had know breaks. What kind of paint did you use because I can't seem to find a paint that won't break. Do you know of any good paint for the SLG with stock barrel. Thanks
I use marbellizer most of the time because that's what my field supplies. I haven't had any problem with that. Are you getting breaks with the eyes on? Because I really haven't had that problem at all unless I was using really old paint.