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idiotwithrpg Sunday, April 4th, 2010
Period of
Product Use:
3 months6 of 10 people found this review helpful.

Paintball
Experience:
4 years
Similar
Products Used:
Autococker Outkast Pump
Autococker Trilogy Pump
Marker Setup: Azodin Kaos Pump
Scepter Barrel System
Pure Energy Basics 48/3000 (output: 850psi)
CP Shorty Reg + on/off
Trinity Spring (cut, mid-high velocity/blue one)

SP Ion w/ Halo Frontman + 48/3000
Scepter Barrel
Locking Feedneck
QEV
CP Shorty Reg + on/off

98 Custom
CORE Double Trigger
CORE 4 Piece Barrel System
Pure Energy 12oz CO2 tank
Strengths: -COST
-Pump Stroke + hitman mod
-Simplicity
-Light/small
-adjustable feedneck
-bolt/blowback
-spare parts galore
Weaknesses: -"Farts"
-no regulator
-dovetail
-aluminum-on-aluminum pump
-barrel/triad system kind of pointless
-rollouts
Review: So this is my first pump gun I can say is truly my own. I am a broke high school kid so going back to pump and saving paint/money sounds right. So a bit of background on Azodin.

The Azodin Kaos Pump was introduced recently (2009 PSP Phoenix I think). It is a mod off the Azodin Kaos (mechanical marker). That explains the double trigger I guess. Now to the review...

==Pros==
-COST: The kaos pump runs around $150. This is a ridiculously good deal. Ridiculous.

-PUMP STROKE + HITMAN MOD: The pump stroke is very smooth, with no side-to-side motion because of a 3rd pump guide arm. It also comes stock w/ a return spring (don't have to pump back). The "hitman" mod is just a piece of metal that comes down the pump. Simple...but elegant as you can pump with your hand. Personal preference but I found the hitman mod to be useful.

-SIMPLICITY: This is my first pump and I was able to disassemble it and reassemble it (correctly) with minimal help from the manual. It's pretty much idiot-proof.

-Light/Small: The KP frame is about 2.5 lbs, which is around 1 lb less than the trilogy pump (autococker pump which will run around the same cost as a KP).

-BOLT/BLOWBACK: The bolt is a hollowpoint delrin bolt. I don't see any need for bolt upgrades. The bolt is on top of the gun and more forward so the blowback can't hit your mask (an issue i always had cuz i play pretty tight).

-SPARE PARTS GALORE: It has spare parts...lots of em...

==CONS==
-NO REGULATOR: This is my biggest problem with the KP. It has a gas through grip. Azodin kas a reg but won't sell it separately (anger). If you do get a reg, it has to be HIGH pressure (output 600+). I hear that 600-650 sweet spots the reg.

-"FARTS": Azodin installed a featherlight spring to go with the gun. This leads to a light pump stroke, but also the infamous fart noise. After shooting, the spring tends to bounce around because it's so light, causing a fart. SOLUTION: get a spring kit and use a heavier spring (gonna have to cut it a bit) and/or get a reg.

-DOVETAIL: I like my o-rings, so therefore I like on/off asa. No biggy since most guns dont come with one. Just drop a few bucks and get one.

-ALUMINUM-ON-ALUMINUM PUMP: the pump handle is alumnium. The pump rods are aluminum. They will grind on each other (and the bad way, not the seductive dance way). SOLUTION: lube and lots of it. Lube before and after games and such, because those rods will become worn if you don't.

-BARREL/TRIAD SYSTEM KINDA POINTLESS: The barrel is massive. I think the bore size is .692 or so. Nowadays, its outrageously hard to find paint that huge. So that makes the triad system (an o-ring pretty much) pointless. SOLUTION: get a smaller bored barrel

-ROLLOUTS: The ball detents only serve to make sure one ball is fed into the gun at a time. After the ball is loaded, nothing stops the ball from rolling out, so get a proprely bore-sized barrel (to hell w/ the triads)


An afterword on Regs, springs, and farting:
So i've spent a good amount of time tinkering w/ this gun. I've found that many regs do not have a high enough output pressure to hit 285fps (or watever). I tried using the stock ion reg and it failed. I'm trying to CP shorty reg (max output 500psi) and we'll see. Also, get a spring kit. I have the mid-high velocity spring that is cut a little bit longer than the stock spring. If you don't cut it, you stress the valve (or something) too much and end up leaking air when your not pumped. So heres an equation

SPRING KIT + REGULATOR = HAPPY KAOS PUMP
Conclusion: Buy this gun. For real. And get a spring kit with it atleast. Oh and don't forget to lube...the pump. Happy pumping!
Rating:
9 out of 10Last edited on Sunday, April 4th, 2010 at 8:37 pm PST
 

Review Comments
eddomars Sunday, April 4th, 2010 | 8:21 pm PST
I have a question regarding the regulator and spring kit. I'm venturing to get the cp short reg along with a spring kit. How can I change the output on the reg and how can I cut the spring kit short ( also be precise if you may on which spring kit and from where ).

And if you are feeling generous link me a tutorial on changing stock reg/asa to aftermarket ones. I don't want to go through leaks and what not : ].

Thanks much!
   

idiotwithrpg Sunday, April 4th, 2010 | 8:32 pm PST
ed,
the trinity spring kit i have looks like this (http://www.hustlepaintball.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCo
de=15350501&click=2). i currently have the blue (mid-high velocity spring) at a little over 3 in long. I cut a little bit at a time. So, be conservative and cut as necessary.

I spent half of yesterday trying to get my kaos pump to hit 285fps with an ion reg...and failed (around 250s). I just put a high pressure cp shorty reg on it and am shooting ok w/ no leaks. unfortunately, i have no chrono so idk wat fps im shooting. i'll keep u posted but ideally, look for a higher pressure reg (bob long torpedo works i hear).

after i chrono and fine tune it, i'll post a youtube video or something, but that could be awhile. but let me stress that this gun is worth waaaay more than $150, and that people shoot w/ the gas-through grip fine (i like to tinker).
   

eddomars Sunday, April 4th, 2010 | 9:47 pm PST
Sounds good, I'll be waiting for the post.
   

idiotwithrpg Sunday, April 4th, 2010 | 10:31 pm PST
i gotta warn you, it'll be a few weeks before i can get out again. I will be in LA racing (track) this weekend and busy w/ prom the next weekend. the soonest i can get out is 3 weeks from now. i would get the kaos pump and a trinity spring kit (and probably a barrel) and play around with it. and if u want a reg go w/ a high pressure regulator (again bob long torpedo reg, about $40, up to 600psi, cheaper than cp reg). the gas-through grip is just fine according to friends.

but i'll definitely post my findings...just in 3+ weeks.
   

eddomars Wednesday, April 7th, 2010 | 2:45 pm PST
I just got the spring kit, cut it to the same length as the stock spring. I had a nightstick on it already. This thing is shooting darts now with that spring added. I have to hand it to you bud this gun is worth much more then standard price.
   

idiotwithrpg Wednesday, April 7th, 2010 | 8:30 pm PST
haha definitely agreed. if azodin does a bit of advertising it could be the next big thing. glad to hear u got a kaos pump, and lube that pump handle!
   

skeeter49 Wednesday, November 24th, 2010 | 8:35 am PST
so how did the cp reg work out?
   

idiotwithrpg Sunday, December 12th, 2010 | 4:21 pm PST
CP reg worked out perfectly.
i have a CP reg, cut springs, and its fantastic.

one thing worth noting is the metal-on-metal grinding from the pump is really wearing our the rods, even tho i lube it after every play. a delrin pump handle would be nice.
   

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