Any flatline products or products concerned with adding backspin to balls...
I.E A5 Flatline - m98 Flatline - Automag with Galactic-Z Body
(the G-Z body on the automag alows you to adjust somthing in the gun to will 'nick' the ball putting backspin on it...)
Don't have a marker right now, sold my Impulse and am looking for a good deal on a matrix.
Any front block upgrades, new bolt, new reg, new grip frame (if its the single trigger version) and just about any of the regular autococker upgrades...
Other things as well... see review body
Well... lets take a look at what we have here. We have a autococker, and a flatline barrel. Sounds like a good idea right? Well... it is, but there are flaws to it as well.
First of all, I liked the idea of the autococker/flatline, and I have my own theory about why this works. A person below my review, stated that the entire marker set up contredicted itself because cockers are closed bolt resulting in the loss of backspin, and resulting in the flatline actually not working because the closed bolt not spinning the balls. I think that this theory is wrong, because why? Lets think about it... all the balls coming out of a normal barrel spin.... right? Now, our friend the flatline, tries to put spin on balls in a certain direction, im sure we all argree that the flatline spins all the balls the same way right? Well say we tried to put this barrel on a gun that made balls spin the WRONG direction, would that not be bad for it, and result in loss of backspin, and ball breakage? So what I'm trying to get at, is that the fact that the ball leaves the cocker not spinning is a good thing, and not a bad thing.
Second of all, I liked the fact that it was on a cocker. The trigger pull of cockers is, I think, really nice. Better then the M98 or A5 anyway. However... for people who end up shortstroking their cocker, they will hate this setup, because anyone who has used a flatline before knows that if you break one ball, your screwed.
I liked the fact that it was on a gun with alot greater consistancy then the A5 or M98s, because that will ultimatly result in less ball breakage, due to the lack of airspikes (when way too low, or way too high amounts of air are released through the bolt)
The distance is nice, and the accuracy is nice, because like I said before, the lack of spin on the ball before it hits the barrel will cause greater grouping because the balls are all spinning one way.
The volume(loudness) of the gun isnt bad at all, esp. because cockers are quiet to begin with :)
The price is pretty good, you have a 300-400 dollar gun with a 100-150 with the needed mods for the barrel which are probably around 50... so they don't charge you to the max for this setup.
The actual autococker is nice too, because say you want to put a regular barrel on your cocker, instead of the flatline, its easy to do.
The apearance of this gun, is... less then cool. Although its unique looking, its also kind of ugly, but .... to any woodsplayer its quite intimidating, because... anywoods player knows that a flatline is bad news for your team.
I like it, I give it a 10 for the sheer concept of it, and because it does actually work.
However, dont buy this gun if your doing speedball, its not a speedball type of gun. This gun is, though, the woodsplayers dream...
I would just like to thank all of you that voted helpfull on my review, it helps keep it on top so that the people looking for reliable and to-the-point information about this product find it fast without having to scroll through countless other reviews. Thanks again
first.... I don't think flatlines are THAT bad... they have great range, which is good for woodball, attack defend... games like that. on the other hand if you're playing speedball, hyperball or something like that you would be better off shooting out of a lead pipe... Cockers are more than known for their accuacy... Why screw up the accuacy of a cocker by using a flatline? Why take away the awsome speedball capabilities of a cocker by using a flatline? Why slow down your bps by using a flatline? If you fire at a high bps you WILL crack a ball in the flatline... Not to dog the flatline, but if you want a cocker common sense says that you have no need for the flatline and vice versa.
quote:Originally posted by hillbilly PB first.... I don't think flatlines are THAT bad... they have great range, which is good for woodball, attack defend... games like that. on the other hand if you're playing speedball, hyperball or something like that you would be better off shooting out of a lead pipe... Cockers are more than known for their accuacy... Why screw up the accuacy of a cocker by using a flatline? Why take away the awsome speedball capabilities of a cocker by using a flatline? Why slow down your bps by using a flatline? If you fire at a high bps you WILL crack a ball in the flatline... Not to dog the flatline, but if you want a cocker common sense says that you have no need for the flatline and vice versa.
umm i already know this is goin to start an agument........... but cockers are'nt more accurate than any other gun.
yes... cockers are... take an all american barrel & put it on a tippmann 98 & another on a palmer cocker. they are shooting out of the same barrel, but which is more accurate? anyone with any experiance knows it's the cocker.
Any marker shooting a ball at 300 fps will by definition shoot the same distance as any other shooting at 300 (with the exception of the flatline because of the way it works.) People believe cockers are more accurate because some say the reduction in kick when compared to an open-bolt marker is less, thus giving the illusion of better accuracy...
It's not like this is the first time that this has come up; this is one of paintball's oldest arguments and it's a myth. COCKERS ARE NOT MORE ACCURATE.