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infra_red Wednesday, April 9th, 2003
Period of
Product Use:
Less than a month153 of 166 people found this review helpful.

Paintball
Experience:
3 months
Similar
Products Used:
tippman 98C, sheridan, rebel
Marker Setup: Used to be a
Victor + aci subzero 6stage X-chamber + 32degrees Night Stick 14inch
Now is a totaly upgraded Victor:
- 32 Degrees ASA
- Palmer Stabilizer
- MadMan's Rocket Valve + spring kit
- ESP frame with T-Board
- Freak steinless steel Kit
- ricochet 2kX feeder
- PMI 72ci 3000psi Air + remote (this bottle is HEAVY!)
245 - 420 psi operating pressure depending on spring used.
Optimal velocity is 310psi ( can get +/-1500 shots out of a 20oz Co2 or 72ci 3000psi Air)
Recommended
Upgrades:
Used to be :
Barrel, vertical bottle adapter, x-chamber
Now you should just look at the review.
Strengths: Price, Precision, Range, maintenance, possible upgrades.
Weaknesses: You have to upgrade to get to play tournament level.
Review: This is by far the best gun you can get if you are beginer of if you don't play speed ball.
You get a durable gun, easy to repair and maintain, and upgradeable to the max.
Get a new barrel, the stock is not too bad but it is very loud. Get an x- chamber & vertical adapter, it is a must in cold weather. This marker and the Imagine are the same. You can upgrade your way to an Imagine or something WAY better if you have the cash to spend. You can do that step by step and spend few at a time.

I have seen a victor upgraded to low pressure + Mako storm frame + Turbo Valve + halo shooting 18+ bps in full auto with tourney grade precision.

This gun won't dissapoint you even stock in non tournament play. It it FAR better than any rental and at that price it is a bargain.

I have played against Auto Mags and E-99s and Auto cockers. When in the woods / CTF / Ambush e.t.c. the fight was even. They just used far more paint than i did and i got them as many times as they got me. In speed ball it is another story. They didn't get me but that was because i couldn't dare get out of my bunker and shoot against them.
With an electro frame + revy yes but not like this.

I have shot 1000 Zap Pro balls so far and broke none.
It shoots about 450 shots on a 12 Oz tank.

Pay attention to the velocity adjustment screw, If it is loose in a game you will loose it. No big deal, you can get 20 of them for a buck a your local hardware store. Just wrap it in tape and you will get a nice tight fit. It has happened to me and did just that, because my Vic shoots at 325 fps stock and i had to unscrew it all the way to get to 280.

----------------- EDIT ---------------

Now, almost three years later, i have not regreted AT ALL buying this marker.
Actually this IS the perfect gun if you are into marker modifications. As you can see in my set - up, only the body exists from the original Victor. The satisfaction i have drawn form this marker is unimaginable. I have upgraded and tested every step of the way. I will soon install vision eyes and that will be the end of the way one can go with this marker.
Currently i have a low pressure, quite efficient Victor, capable of outshooting my 15 bps ricochet 2kx. For all of these who think, and wrote so in comments, that this is not a serious marker i have to say that they are both right and wrong.

They are right because stock the victor is just for rec - woods play PERIOD.
(but i DID say that in my original review)

They are wrong because the potential of this marker is incredible. I am playing speedball against IONs, Shockers, Angels and Impulses with no problem. Frankly
i fell very good for spending 600 US$ all inclusive on my Victor. The fun i had upgrading and experimenting is equal, to me, to the paintball game itself. For me it has been much better buying and upgrading than getting a stock 500 to 800 US$ marker which wouldn't shoot much better than my victor does.

I know many spyder lovers will cheer with my comments. I also know that many spyder haters or heavy-price-tag-marker owners will say that i write these things due to the fact that i own a Victor. Both of these categories of people are PLAIN DAMN WRONG !!!!, because they are uninformed and/or have no hands on experiance.

Here are the facts the way i see things :

When upgraded Spyders (and any other gun) get to a point that they shoot almost as good as any other ULTRA HIGH END marker. Why ?

Because:

- Rate of fire : T-Board 36 bps (and other boards uncapped) as fast as any one can shoot semi-auto. Max feedrate of the best loaders is around 30 - 32 bps (and i believe more is pointless any way)
- Kick : at 300 psi and below it is almost kickless.
- Endurance : Mostly a matter of maintenance as any other gun. Mine is almost 3 years old and due to good maintenance it NEVER had a problem.
- Accuracy : As good as your paint / barrel match if used with tourney grade paint. As with any other gun.
- Distance : only flatlines and Apex get further. As with any other gun.
- Looks : Subjective. Most people like the new spyder bodies anyway and there are other spyder clones that are much more beautiful. Looks don't make you any better player though ...

The only thing that you get better on a high end gun is mechanical tolerances. Mass produced in china spyders have not the strict tolerace checking / matching high grade markers enjoy. That is the reason i say Spyders and clones can shoot almost as good as anything else.

But the difference is soooooooo small that it really is a metter of player skill. As Chuck Yeagers (the first man to fly a supersonic plane) said :

IT IS THE MAN ! NOT THEMACHINE

So :

Get educated about markers and paintball in general.
Experiment with your marker / setup / accessories.
(a very good site for spyders / cockers is : http://www.ottersccustoms.com/
WARNING ! I don't know the guy , i am not affiliated in any way with him ! I just read the site !!!)
Improve your skills ! (more important than your marker, really)

OR:

if you are not interested in the above, throw big $$$ in the game to cover your incompetence, some times ending with a worse marker ...
(some people spend 150+ US$ on a simple barrel when for 180 US$ you can get any barrel system you wish that will shoot VERY well ANY paint ...)
Conclusion: Price Performace Upgrades Satisfaction ... What else would you want ?
Definitelly a 10 for all new players or serious modders. Will last me a long time and change it only due to boredom or critical failure.
Rating:
10 out of 10Last edited on Tuesday, February 21st, 2006 at 8:14 am PST
 

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RedAnimalWar Monday, April 21st, 2003 | 8:24 pm PST
dude, my velocity sucks on my victor. its its only weakness
   

Jbus4689 Monday, May 12th, 2003 | 3:41 pm PST
THIS IS A NUBE GUN. If anyone tries to tell you otherwise, they are wrong. It is way to easy to break, and it's pointless to get good upgrades because by the time youve spent money on Expansion Chamber, Barrel, ESP trigger and all that, you coulda just bought a better spyder like an e-99. And its llllllllooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuddddddddddd, especially with nitro.

Get this as your first gun, but not your second.
   

taso_winforce Friday, May 16th, 2003 | 3:38 pm PST
1. redanimawar buy a spring kit and use the medium spring or hard spring
2. jbus4689 please don't speak. what you said was kinda dumb. an expansion chamber useless because of anti-syphons. (E-99 has gas-thru not x-chamber). if you buy a new barrel for the victor it will be better than the E-99. E-99 frame is hard to change modes. and nitro won't make your gun louder. just buy a barrel with more porting and go low pressure
3. infra_red mako frames are capped at 15bps
   

NXD5150 Saturday, May 17th, 2003 | 3:39 pm PST
i agree with everything taso winforce said
   

paintballaluver Friday, August 29th, 2003 | 6:32 pm PST
this gun if upgraded will still cost less than an e-99 because of course people will want to also upgrade the e-99 yhe victor is a tournament level gun out of the package and i know. get it get it get it
   

spyder_Mano0Oo Saturday, September 13th, 2003 | 8:59 am PST
i think everyone here is right in some sort of way lol. i got a victor and it has great aim; i shot a kids hopper from 100 ft away in like 2 shots with the victor, its great and it is a newb gun but anyone could use it. i wanna get a teardrop barrel for it
Last edited on Saturday, September 13th, 2003 at 9:33 am PST
   

ace6160 Sunday, November 16th, 2003 | 11:32 am PST
The victor wasn't designed to be, and never will be a tounament level gun.
   

spyder8604 Tuesday, November 18th, 2003 | 8:36 am PST
oh no? you probably haven't even shot a victor before.
   

victor99 Monday, November 24th, 2003 | 5:42 pm PST
yea ace i dont think you know anything about the victor.
   

victor99 Monday, November 24th, 2003 | 5:43 pm PST
What paintballaluver said is exactly right
   

wickedlester Friday, January 23rd, 2004 | 12:28 pm PST
Yeah i think the Victor is a sweet marker and all but the 98 custom is way better. it's costs more but it is well worth it. IT's more durable and accurate. it doesn't shoot as fast but in the right hands it can easily overpower a victor.
Last edited on Sunday, February 29th, 2004 at 9:53 am PST
   

wickedlester Sunday, February 29th, 2004 | 9:59 am PST
A gun that cost's only $60-70 (like the victor) is just a gun for beginners, nothing else. It's pointless to up-grade it with everything imaginable, you could buy a better gun all together with the money you just waisted, the only up-grades that anyone should buy for this gun is a exp-chamber and a new barrel, anything else would just be useless. Up-grading a victor to the max is like putting nos and all that other crap on a civic, you could just spend your money on something better. By all means the victor is a great gun, but it's not ment to play with in tournaments.
   

pbmike69 Saturday, March 13th, 2004 | 8:41 am PST
the spyder victors such a good gun why does it have such a low price? they should raise it like.... a lot.... its probably better than a tippmann 98 custom why is it less money? it should me more. i have both and the victor is like 50x better but the price is lower.... it should raise a lot.
   

pbmike69 Saturday, March 13th, 2004 | 8:47 am PST
Jbus4689 ur wrong..... taso winforce is right.... u dont no wat ur talkin bout boy!
   

kph90 Sunday, March 14th, 2004 | 6:46 am PST
Does this gun ever freeze up?
   

pbmike69 Sunday, March 14th, 2004 | 8:58 am PST
quote:
Originally posted by kph90
Does this gun ever freeze up?
no not really
   

valleysoccer4 Thursday, March 25th, 2004 | 5:29 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by wickedlester
A gun that cost's only $60-70 (like the victor) is just a gun for beginners, nothing else. It's pointless to up-grade it with everything imaginable, you could buy a better gun all together with the money you just waisted, the only up-grades that anyone should buy for this gun is a exp-chamber and a new barrel, anything else would just be useless. Up-grading a victor to the max is like putting nos and all that other crap on a civic, you could just spend your money on something better. By all means the victor is a great gun, but it's not ment to play with in tournaments.
your one of those idiots who spend like 600 bucks on a gun that never works. This gun is way better then a 98
   

wickedlester Friday, March 26th, 2004 | 2:23 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by valleysoccer4

your one of those idiots who spend like 600 bucks on a gun that never works. This gun is way better then a 98


I never spent over $250 dollars on a marker, and after spending that on my TIPPMANN 98C, it works just fine, not only does it work fine, but it also over powers my victor which is my backup marker. The only thing better about the Victor is it shoots faster. I'm not saying that Victors are bad, but as I stated eariler, a victor is an begginer gun, no more, no less!
   

paintballgod101 Monday, April 19th, 2004 | 9:16 am PST
dude14 probaly is an Ass Beagle worshipper. I have a friend that had a VL Orion for 3 months before buying a different gun.
   

paintballgod101 Thursday, April 29th, 2004 | 9:44 am PST
quote:
Originally posted by taso_winforce
1. redanimawar buy a spring kit and use the medium spring or hard spring
2. jbus4689 please don't speak. what you said was kinda dumb. an expansion chamber useless because of anti-syphons. (E-99 has gas-thru not x-chamber). if you buy a new barrel for the victor it will be better than the E-99. E-99 frame is hard to change modes. and nitro won't make your gun louder. just buy a barrel with more porting and go low pressure
3. infra_red mako frames are capped at 15bps

This guy has a point. the E-99 looks just like an Imagine. I bought a Tru-Flite for my Victor and it shoots just as accurate as a 98 Custom with a Flatline.
   
                            
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