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Cryton Friday, April 18th, 2003
Period of
Product Use:
Less than a month14 of 14 people found this review helpful.

More than 5 years
Products Used:
2000 4x4 shocker and impy, Mini Mag. Purchased this as a loaner for my wife and buddies that play once in a great while.
Marker Setup: Stock,revvy 12v x-board
Needs a motorized hopper and may need a evil smoke stack. new barrel of course.
Strengths: see review
Weaknesses: see review
Review: The Kit included.
Piranha e-force ext pro 2K3
Spiral ported barrel
Wall charger
Car Charger
9v rechargeable battery
Blue and Red hammer springs
Bunch of extra o-rings
Allen wrenches for all sizes used on marker
Barrel plug.

My initial impression after unpacking the markers was that it seemed well built. The body was very solid feeling with decent milling and a nice solid black ano job on the entire marker with threaded vertical feed and spyder barrel threading. It was also fairly light, being more bulky yet lighter than my mag and much lighter than my VM.

Receiver design:
Tried and True stacked tube design. The upper tube houses the venturi bolt + flush cocking system. (Tolerance between bolt and frame is not as tight as a spyders, hopefully I won’t have jamming like a spyder. The flush cocking system removed the need for a beaver tail) The lower tube houses the turbo valve, cup seal, hammer, spring, velocity adjust + tourney lock. The design reminds me of my VM and spyders a lot except the valve and cup seal are accessed through the ram air port up front.

Gas system:
The gas system is a 10° drop forward with steel ASA + bleed hole, In line reg with mini gauge (cheap o gauge, easily replaced if desired), and ram air chamber. (Probably the nicest thing about this is the in line Reg does not gas down when the bottle is un screwed and the bleed hole in the ASA can degas the short amount of braided SS hosing in a single puff of air. No chewed up tank o-rings or wasted gas.) The inline reg drops gun operating pressure down to about 250 psi stock, probably about as low as you can go on a blowback semi. Cranking up the reg will increase your cycle speed and min/max velocity.

E-Force trigger frame:
Now the thing that sets this gun apart from other PMI Piranhas is the E-force trigger frame on the 2K3 models. So I will put a little more depth into this important part. The entire rest of the gun is constructed of CnC milled aluminum. While the trigger frame is made of a super hard plastic, so is the trigger it self. (non 2k3 models have metal frames but lack some of the 2k3 features) The grip has semi hard rubber grip panels. One side removes easily with 2 Phillips screws allowing access to the internals. A small rubber stop protects the AC charging port. (yes you can charge your rechargeable 9v right in the frame, it also takes 9v standard batteries if you run low on field)

The trigger itself shows a small amount of sideways travel if pushed on one way or the other. This is nothing to worry about but not as crisp feeling as a good after market cocker or mag frame. The two finger design is fairly comfortable and the travel from ready to release is very small. The one thing I noticed is this trigger has a very noticeable sweet spot in it. On a standard trigger pull it is at least as fast as my mag and has almost a mouse click feel to it. On the sweet spot this thing just rips 13+ bps. The frame does not have and LCD just a single LED set behind the E-force logo for power on/off or battery low status. A single on/off button sits on the left of the frame above the trigger along with the sear release slide for re installing the hammer/bolt assembly. On the right side of the frame opposite of the power button are the two mode buttons. The burst button changes between Semi, 3 shot burst, 6 shot burst and 9 shot burst. The second button is the FA button. Both of these buttons are very easily accessible on the fly with your trigger finger. The rate of fire for both burst and semi seems to be set at around 10bps or less. In comparison the sweat spot on the trigger in semi mode is noticeably faster. There is no safety switch you must power the frame down if you want a safety. A tourney lock for the modes does exist, you must remove the grip frame panel, lift the board and flip the dip switch over to locked position.

Accuracy is average with the stock barrel and open bolt blow back design.

Warranty and Durability:
I cannot comment on durability since my trial time was not long enough but I will add a section here later on for that. PMI has a 1 year complete parts and labor warranty. Repair service after warranty is done over the phone for free or for a nominal charge at the repair center not bad at all.

Concerns or problems:
I have had no problems with it in my limited trial time. My only concern is the insane speed this thing can do when firing using the sweet spot. It WILL chop paint if you don’t invest in at least an EggII and there is a slight amount of blow back up the vert feed so a smoke stack may also be needed. Of course unlike more expensive E markers like the E-mag there is no mechanical mode for the trigger in case the E one fails.
Conclusion: Conclusion:
This marker seems well built and has a ton of features that all do something unlike a lot of lower end E-markers with 30 different modes of worthless LCD display. It uses a very tried and true design for the bolt, valve, and hammer assembly with tolerances not nearly as tight as the jam prone spyders. I am not a huge fan of plastic frames but this one is very solid feeling and not wobbly or cheap feeling in anyway. This marker is capable of insane speeds for a sub $200 dollar marker in semi mode. All in all this is a lot of marker for under 200 and a decent purchase if your looking for a second marker or wanting to get into PB on the cheap.
10 out of 10Last edited on Friday, April 18th, 2003 at 9:59 am PST

Review Comments
weltmaker Saturday, May 17th, 2003 | 10:36 pm PST
Nice review, I enjoy ppl who dont have to worry about the word limit (min.). Honestly if your going to review a gun give it some thought and tell us at least why it blew up or whatever those useless short reviews say.

pathfinder Tuesday, June 10th, 2003 | 5:29 am PST
Originally posted by weltmaker
Nice review, I enjoy ppl who dont have to worry about the word limit (min.). Honestly if your going to review a gun give it some thought and tell us at least why it blew up or whatever those useless short reviews say.


iankid Wednesday, August 6th, 2003 | 9:49 am PST
yes, they should hire this guy to test guns and write reviews

BGGR Monday, September 29th, 2003 | 9:43 am PST
Congratulations..... very nice and complete review.thanks.

JiffieJeff Monday, December 15th, 2003 | 11:29 am PST
Thanks for such a great review, I asked my dad for an eforce ext pro for xmas, and well, he got confused as to what exactly I wanted, so I went to the website and showed him what to order, and he ordered it for me then (kinda defeats the purpose of xmas, but at least I'm getting what I asked for.) Well anyway, great review. very thorough.

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