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mallen7818 Monday, April 21st, 2003
Period of
Product Use:
Less than a month713 of 732 people found this review helpful.

Paintball
Experience:
6 months
Similar
Products Used:
14 Inch Smart Parts Barrel - Increased accuracy over the stock barrel, but not in the same category as the Flatline.
Marker Setup: Tippmann 98 Custom with Response Trigger and Folding Stock
Tippman Flatline Barrel System
Tippmann Expansion Chamber
Drop Forward
Anti-Siphon System
Recommended
Paintballs:
Best - RPS Marbs, RPS Premium or RPS Big Ball
Good - Diablo Dusk
Fair - I-Balz, Zap Sport
Poor - Brass Eagle
Strengths: Accuracy, Distance, Zone Control and Intimidation
Weaknesses: Installation, Price and Paint Requirements
Review: The Flatline System for the M98 Custom is a personal choice for most players. The advantages will far outweigh the disadvantages for most recreational players.

I would recommend this system for any player that has prior military experience or training as a MUST have upgrade. The difference between a regular barrel (excluding the stock barrel because it's useless) and the Flatline is the difference between shooting a 9MM and an M-16 when playing paintball. The Flatline gives you a MUCH better chance to "reach out and touch someone" than you get with a non-Flatline system on your M-98.

For younger players, I would recommend that you borrow a M-98 with the Flatline before you go and purchase it. It improves the balance of the marker by giving you a forward position to place your hand, but it may be too "long" for younger players or players with short arms.

Fact - Better Distance/Accuracy

The Flatline offers users the opportunity to reach targets at a greater distance than is possible with conventional technology. While I have yet to experience the "awesome" range increase that some users claim, I am easily able to shoot an offhand 12 inch group at 135 feet (yes we measured) placing 24 out of 25 balls (RPS Marbs) within a 12 inch grouping at that distance.

Fiction - Eats Paintballs

The Flatline doesn't "chop" any more balls than any other barrel if you use the correct paint. I enjoy testing things and on our most recent country outing, I fired 6000 paintballs to test various paint in the barrel (having read so many reviews about what a vegi-matic this system was.)

1000 RPS Marbs
500 Single Shot (Zero Breaks)
500 3-5 Round Burst (1 Break)

1000 RPS Premium
500 Single Shot (Zero Breaks)
500 3-5 Round Burst (Zero Breaks)

1000 RPS Big Ball
500 Single Shot (1 Break)
500 3-5 Round Burst (2 Breaks)

1000 Diablo Dusk
500 Single Shot (3 Breaks)
500 3-5 Round Burst (Zero Breaks)

As you can see in the decent to premium paint range the Flatline broke 7 out of 4000 paintballs. I didn't sort the bags or look for mishapen rounds, I just dumped them in and fired away.

1000 View Loader I-Balz
500 Single Shot (1 Break)
500 3-5 Round Burst (5 Breaks)

500 Zap Sport
250 Single Shot (Zero Breaks)
250 3-5 Round Burst (7 Breaks)

The lesser quality paint was much more prone to breakage when firing rapidly . A friend of mine had box of Brass Eagle Ammo that he wanted to get rid of, so I bought it from him for a few dollars. When trying to use BE ammo, the breakage was unbelievably bad.

When you break a ball in the barrel, it does affect the accuracy of the marker. I was unable to to consistantly hit anything past 70 feet after breaking a ball in the barrel, but cleaning the barrel with the supplied tool takes less than 20 seconds.

Fiction - The Balls "Float"

I have a friend that can dispell this myth in a hurry. I've read that the balls appear to be moving slower because of the lack of arc. I can't attest to that, must have lost my physics degree somewhere, but I can tell you that my friend said the balls coming from my gun towards him looked "slow and lazy" so he decided to catch one. He was off the field icing his hand shortly after that, he also said the next round that I shot (the one that hit his mask) hurt quite a bit. Some people say the balls from the Flatline travel so slowly that they can be dodged. At 280 FPS the ball leaves the barrel approaching 190 MPH, a human being standing 60 feet away has 0.20 seconds from the time the ball is fired until impact. How far can you move in 0.20 seconds? Your mind can't even register that the trigger was pulled in that amount of time, so I'm dubious about claims that people "dodge" paintballs.

If you're shooting a longer distance, the ball actually gets there first. At 80 feet my friend with a M-98 has to aim slightly high to make sure the ball reaches the target. We stood an equal distance from a target as someone counted down and pulled the trigger at the same time. His ball had to arch through the air (thus traveling farther) while mine went straight downrange. My ball hit the plywood noticiably before his.

Fact - At Extreme Range Balls from a Flatline May Not Break

This seems like a no brainer to me, but a big deal to some people. Yes, if you're shooting at something 175 feet away (even something hard) the ball from the Flatline may not break (I'd say one out of two do though.) But since you CAN'T hit something that far away without the Flatline a 50% chance of breaking on the target seems like a huge improvement over a 0% chance.

Fiction - Maintenance is a Problem

If you have the wit to work on/clean a real firearm, the M-98 with a Flatline presents about as much challenge to maintain as pumping gas. I'm no mechanical genius, but I can break down the whole system in under two minutes.

Fact - Installation Takes Care and Concentration

To install the system correctly, you need to take your time and follow the directions. The only problem I had was the spring clip that provides tension to the front sight (and the bar that allows you to swing the feed arm down) kept popping out of place. Poor design on Tippmann's part, really ZERO to do with the Flatline because it's part of the stock M-98 marker.

Fiction - The Barrel Uses more CO2.

I won't even dignify that complaint with a response.

Fiction - The System Makes the Gun Too "Big/Heavy"

This is likely true for players of short stature, I'm 5'9" and it's not a problem for me. As for it keeping you from "taking corners" here's some advice. Most paintballers I've seen move around the corner and follow with the marker. The head/shoulder of the player comes around the corner and then the marker is aligned for the shot. In the Army we used to call that "dumb." Point your marker down (not up) and move it around the corner first, as you bring your leg around snap the gun up into firing position as your shoulder clears the obstacle and bring your head around and crouch. If it's clear proceed, if not, from the crouch you can make the decision to engage (your marker is up and ready to fire) or retreat behind cover. Crouching lowers your profile. If you watched any of the Iraqi war coverage, you saw how the soldiers moved around corners. Weapon first, snap it up, bend slightly, look, fire/retreat/advance. I know for a fact that an M-16 or even a cut down M-4 is longer than a Tippmann with a Flatline.

As to it being to heavy, maybe if your 10 or really weak it is, for me nope and I doubt it is for most players either.
Conclusion: This system allows "Zone Control" on an unheard of level in the arena of paintball. Since adding this to my M-98C, I have the ability to control everything within 75 feet of my position. I mean CONTROL. Nobody gets within that arc unless I let them or I don't see them. I can shoot through a fork in a tree at 75 feet, first time every time, if you're within 75 feet and in the open, you might as well save yourself the bruise and call yourself out because you're going to get painted, period. If you're farther away than that, I can still pin you down and paint you if I throw enough balls your direction. The system takes experience to use properly. It takes patience to find the right velocity setting to propel the balls at 280 to 300 FPS. The system requires a higher grade of paint and is thus more expensive to operate. I am no longer allowed to play on defense when we play capture the flag because I could sit back nice and safe and pop anyone that gets close to the flag, so I'm relegated to offense only.

I would not say this system is for everyone, but it's made me a more capable player and it intimidates the other team more than you can imagine to know that they still have 20 to 50 feet to cover before they can get an accurate shot at me even though my balls are breaking around them.

Recommend for Adults with Military Training, Hunting Experience or individuals that are more comfortable with a marker that fires/feels closer to a real weapon than a shiny ray gun.

Not Recommended for Children, Individuals under 5'6" or people that like to spray and pray.

I'm giving this product a 9 because it does have its flaws, but the good truly outweighs the bad. Matched with a R/T it's almost an unfair advantage.
Rating:
9 out of 10
 

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cradle_of_filth Monday, November 21st, 2005 | 1:16 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by 99 ANGEL RULZ
I have to agree with agent orange on this one. I had a flatline and i was not happy. Broke alot of paint. I used Draxxus Blaze and thats good paint. I now have an angel with armson stealth and broke 1 or two balls since having it. Flatline is a waste of money!

And i will not be ''Picked off'' by u sniper noobies. go get a J&J ceramic NOOB


did the flatline fit good on your angel or timmy? i dont think it would .if you have an angel and/or timmy what are you doing with a tippmann?sounds like someones just bashing flatlines because they out shoot his gun. haha like a spyder i saw take out an angel lol wasnt even and electro either.
   

99 ANGEL RULZ Wednesday, January 11th, 2006 | 4:51 pm PST
im remembering back into the good ol days wen the best gat was a tippmann u fricken noob.
   

LAMB_OF_GOD Friday, January 20th, 2006 | 3:00 pm PST
so because you have an angel everyone else is a noob?any experienced and skilled flatline user in here would take you out before your gun could even reach him .ive seen angels,cockers,shockers,timmy's,impulses,phantoms and pretty much every other gun takin out by a flatline
Last edited on Friday, January 20th, 2006 at 3:01 pm PST
   

99 ANGEL RULZ Sunday, March 12th, 2006 | 12:27 am PST
anyone who would use a flatline in here is a fricken noob, if you havent sold ur flatliner yet, then you will, cuz they suck that bad.

Im not saying im a pball god just because i shoot a highend marker, if you have the experience, who in their right mind wouldnt upgrade to a better marker?

if you think you can ball, and still shoot a flatline, your pathetic.
Last edited on Sunday, March 12th, 2006 at 12:29 am PST
   

Ace-o-Spades Friday, March 17th, 2006 | 4:41 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by 99 ANGEL RULZ
anyone who would use a flatline in here is a fricken noob, if you havent sold ur flatliner yet, then you will, cuz they suck that bad.

Im not saying im a pball god just because i shoot a highend marker, if you have the experience, who in their right mind wouldnt upgrade to a better marker?

if you think you can ball, and still shoot a flatline, your pathetic.


durrr... i dont know. maybe because they dont want to spend $300 on an upgrade! or maybe, they dont even want a new gun! maybe they are happy with a 98custom and want a good barrel on it that costs 100$...
dude, dont talk, youll only embarrass yourself
   

killer13z Tuesday, April 25th, 2006 | 8:33 pm PST
Amazing review, man!
   

karchomatic Thursday, April 27th, 2006 | 10:51 pm PST
If you're in the Flatline market, shop around. You can pay $150 for this barrel or you can pay $85 for this barrel depending on how long and hard you look.
   

lilsully29 Sunday, May 7th, 2006 | 12:47 pm PST
ok i got a 98c and was hoping to get a flatline
Im 5ft..... is that really bad? i can stand the weight im not a wimp....
i was just wondering if i should invest in that kind of equipment
   

cradle_of_filth Tuesday, May 16th, 2006 | 9:11 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by 99 ANGEL RULZ



your a chode too


quit hating on flatlines and theyre users youre just showing how immature you are by coming onto this page for the sole intent of insulting a product and its users.your an idiot
   

99 ANGEL RULZ Wednesday, May 31st, 2006 | 8:09 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by cradle_of_filth


quit hating on flatlines and theyre users youre just showing how immature you are by coming onto this page for the sole intent of insulting a product and its users.your an idiot



omgoodness, such hate, i would not recomend anyone buy a flatline because it is a horrible barrel, resale value at the local pball store in my town is only 20$ for a flatline, because its cheaply made, plastic and homo, if you want to be a homo and buy one, go ahead, but i assure you only the most homo people use it O: oh no i didnt! BUT i did.....
   

tipp-see-mann Saturday, June 3rd, 2006 | 7:54 pm PST
How does VIPER do in a flatline? they are OK paint, but they arent the best. It's the only paint under $60 a case that my field carries... email me at (please forgive the name, but i made the account when i was 8) ________________________
| shanman1221@yahoo.com |
|_______________________|
   

tipp-see-mann Saturday, June 3rd, 2006 | 8:08 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by 99 ANGEL RULZ



omgoodness, such hate, i would not recomend anyone buy a flatline because it is a horrible barrel, resale value at the local pball store in my town is only 20$ for a flatline, because its cheaply made, plastic and homo, if you want to be a homo and buy one, go ahead, but i assure you only the most homo people use it O: oh no i didnt! BUT i did.....


You're just upset that you DADS wont buy you one. "OH NO I DIDNT! BUT I DID....."
Stop saying stupid things like that with nothing to back it up. Did you say, CHEAPLY MADE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! How the heck can it be cheaply made if it is made by Tippmann, now I dont worship Tippmann or anything like that, but i can say that I have personally seen the quality put into these fine markers and equipment. oh yes i did...
   

stealth shooter Saturday, July 15th, 2006 | 10:28 am PST
quote:
Originally posted by AgentOrange
Funny thing is I'm not very intimidated when i see the flatline to say the least, in fact if there on the other team, i count them as having one less player considering they'll be out cleaning it in short time.

good luck with that
   

99 ANGEL RULZ Thursday, July 20th, 2006 | 2:22 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by tipp-see-mann


You're just upset that you DADS wont buy you one. "OH NO I DIDNT! BUT I DID....."
Stop saying stupid things like that with nothing to back it up. Did you say, CHEAPLY MADE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! How the heck can it be cheaply made if it is made by Tippmann, now I dont worship Tippmann or anything like that, but i can say that I have personally seen the quality put into these fine markers and equipment. oh yes i did...


Hrmm , tippmann 98 custom - good gun, upgrades for tipmann98c , are always cheaply made....
   

JCPBall Tuesday, August 22nd, 2006 | 4:50 pm PST
Nice review, you persuaded me to buy a flatline, I have since regretted it. I have become aware of several MAJOR PROBLEMS with the system

1. The take down of the 98 and installation of the Flatline barrel is more difficult than the take down of any weapon I have dissassembled or seen disassembled, GLOCK 17
10/22's, Colt 1911's, AR-15's, and many many bolt action rifles.

2. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PAINTBALL SNIPER lets face it paintball guns are not accurate and will never be accurate the only way to increase your chances of eliminating your opponent are to increase your rate of fire, you are better off spending
money on a R/T or just buying a cheap E-spyder like a Pilot.

3.The Flatline is very very very susceptible to CANT if you are really in the millitary you know what this means. On many sniper rifles such as the Army's M-24 ect. anti-cant devices are installed. These are small levels that are clamped onto the scope. at very long ranges (800 and farther) even a 1 degree cant in your gun can send your bullet way off target. The Flatline makes this problem even worse by adding backspin to the ball if you did your target shooting with your PB gun of a benchrest your group probably
was a small as you said it was, but when actually used when playing paintball you are going to tilt it one way or the other and your paintball is going to fly off in some wierd direction.

WHOEVER is 99 ANGEL RULZ needs to actually use one before bashing it just because they wasted their money on a 1000 dollar gun
   

p8ntballrebel89 Saturday, August 26th, 2006 | 5:35 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by JCPBall


2. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PAINTBALL SNIPER lets face it paintball guns are not accurate and will never be accurate the only way to increase your chances of eliminating your opponent are to increase your rate of fire, you are better off spending
money on a R/T or just buying a cheap E-spyder like a Pilot.


About the whole "no such thing as a paintball sniper"...to be frank and to the point: you are an ignorant moron.
Last edited on Saturday, August 26th, 2006 at 5:36 pm PST
   

paintballauckr Friday, October 13th, 2006 | 1:04 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by cockercane


WHOA!! Relax buddy, remain calm. No need to insult the 'cocker.


man cocker cane you write alot of reviws, there fake, almost everything i read on this website you've writen.
   

tippmann_cpro Saturday, October 21st, 2006 | 5:17 am PST
I got a custom pro and i was wondering if i should get a flatline or am i better off gettin somthing different. is the accuracy and range that much better?
   

Ace-o-Spades Saturday, January 6th, 2007 | 10:05 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by MRFIXIT08
This is a very well thought out and informative review but i think your overating the flatline a bit. i meen sure it is a good gun but you can get barrels with the same accuracy ,without the insane range. but when are you going to even attempt to shoot at something 200 ft plus? the lapco bigshot is just as accurate as the flatline and is 50 bucks less.
You are when you play woodsball. Speedball, maybe not, but this barrel wasn't directly designed to be used with speedball.
   

taco pie Saturday, January 13th, 2007 | 6:02 pm PST
angel rulz is just traumatized because he got a flatline shoved up is butthole
   
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