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Terran423 Monday, October 6th, 2003
Period of
Product Use:
1 year97 of 98 people found this review helpful.

Paintball
Experience:
1 year
Similar
Products Used:
Stock Spyder Compact: it doesn't really compare with the phantom in accuracy or range.
Marker Setup: Vertical Stock Class Phantom, CCI trigger shoe, Carbon Fiber Barrel, 45 grip frame, 10 round tube setup.
Recommended
Upgrades:
CCI ball detents if you look to use really small bore paint like Evil Paintballs. I use Marbs and they shoot perfect without detents. You don't need a new barrel for this gun. I recomend marbs as they shoot perfect no matter which barrel you use on this gun. The CCI nickel is a slightly tighter bore than the stock barrel and you might consider it if you want that little bit of extra. The CCI trigger shoe is a great upgrade and is really cheap. It makes the pressure applied to the trigger more even (can result in less gun movement in the event you jerk the trigger instead of squeeze) and generally more comfortable. The carbon fiber barrel is such a cool upgrade if you can find it because it makes the gun better balanced and the pump stroke smoother than if you had the Nickel barrel because the nickel has a rrougher finish. The Carbon Fiber barrel is also the quietest barrel that CCI makes. Good luck finding a CCI carbon fiber barrel. 45 grip frame because it makes the gun look more professional and feels more comfortable.
Strengths: light weight, accurate, smooth pump stroke, perfect out of the box, Velocity consistency, Reliable, Perfect
Weaknesses: The gun has no weaknesses in design and function.
Review: The technical aspects of the gun.

The gun's consistency using 12 grams is astounding as it doesn't waiver more than 5 fps at most in any direction. If you are having problems with consistency as I was, it is due to user error. In my case I was over lubbing the internals which made a sludge that slowed and sped up the hammer depending on where the sludge was in the breech. Since it is a pump it is a close bolt design meaning more accuracy. The gun is low pressure due to the bolt which probably helps in accuracy. FYI autocockers are only pump guns made so that they pump themselves. The gun is extremely accurate with marbs and many other paintballs. I personally love marbs due to the fill and consistency of the balls. Marbs don't role out of the gun and seem to be specially made for the phantom. The pump stroke is very smooth. I have taken off the pump return spring so that the pump stroke is even easier and smoother but remember you must worry about double loading so adjust your game accordingly. The gun is very well made using high quality aluminum which means it doesn't rust and is very light. The gun regardless of it's weight (3 pounds) is very well made and the aluminum itself is put through a bunch of processes to insure longetivity. The internals are really simple and is part of why the gun is so reliable. The internals are stainless steel (strength). It is extremely easy to get at the internals since there are only two thumbscrews holding the gun together. Also the entire gun, except for the hardline since it doesn't have any screws. can be adjusted using two allen wrenches! Though they are thumbscrews and thus should be able to be unscrewed and screwed on with your thumbs, I don't recomend it since your finger can't generate enought torque to tighten them so that your gun doesn't get loose during the game. I recomend you use an allen wrench to tighten the thumb screws. This gun won't break balls as long as you know how to pump. In other words don't double feed the gun and make sure to pump slow enough that the ball is gven enough time to completely fall into the breech before sliding the bolt in the closed position. I found that you can actually pinch the paintball and it will actually still go into the breech and will look as if there is nothing wrong. The problem is that any compressing of the paintballs even if they don't break weakens them and may weaken them enough so that when you fire the gun the air busts the ball. Becareful and don't pump too fast like I did. Also I noticed something really good about the way it feeds balls. There is a grove basically that hold the second ball in place directly over the breech opening. This is useful becuase you can load a paintball into the breech and have a paintball right above it that stays there so that you don't need to rock and cock your second shot. In other words you can shoot your first shoot then autotrigger your second one in the case you want to show that you have some firepower. This is more useful than you might think.. The gun is very sleek in design and is more slender than any other rifle style pump on the market. This amounts to a smaller chance of someone shooting your gun which is almost a guaranteed break which results in a kill. Compared to Palmers, Action markers Illusion, WGP Sniper, and ACI MAverick, the phantom is the lightest and most slender gun. The pump stroke on this gun is better than the sniper and maverick but is slightly less smooth than the Illusion and Palmer gun. Ohh becareful when changing 12 grams because if you do it when the 12 gram is still charged the O ring that acts as a seal and stops leaking may be blown out. Just unscrew the CO2 cylinder about 1 turn to release the pressure adn when the pressure is gone screw the changer thing back on so that the 12 grams tip pushes the O ring back on to the 12 gram changer. Due to the fact that the gun has the paintballs in a straight line they don't jump around and make noise like a hopper. It's just a very quiet gun in operation .

Handling and Performance

The handling in either stock form (back bottle setup) or vertical stock class is really good being that the gun is balanced. The vertical stock class has a significant difference in feeling than the stock form which feels a little too much weight in the back. The stock class feels better because the weight is more balance between the pump and the grip. Another boon to the stock class form is that the gun is now more compact which allows you to use the gun tighter with your body. I prefer vertical stock class since it is better balanced in my hands. Due to the weight of the gun you can play with it all day and not get arm fatigue. In addition light wieght allows you to aim and manuever faster than your opposition who are burdened with CO2 tanks which weigh more than the gun. I don't recomend buying a red dot sight since it will make you lazy and slower at shooting. Take the harder approach and start leaning to bring the gun up quickly shoot and hit your target. Given about a months practice you should be scary since you will be faster and more accurate than your opposition. In addition bringing up the gun and firing quickly allows you to be able to compete quite easily in speedball because you would be surprised at how your opponents will take so many balls to shoot you since they spray and pray while you precise. The only problem with stock class in speedball is that you can be supressed and it's difficult to cover your buddies because you can't supress people. A pump player on a speedball field should just be faster and beat his opponents to the punch in taking the other guy out.

The accuracy on this gun is way above average and in my opinion the best of any gun out there. It can put balls on top of balls easily and consistently at 75 ft. At 150 feet the balls go straight and only fall down with range; they don't go curve in the air. I have actually hit someone head at 150 ft. I can actually aim and aprox. range to hit people at 150 ft. I don't go around engaging at that range because they can dodge my paintballs and the paintballs aren't guaranteed to break. I engage at about 70 ft.

Other benefits of this gun

The customer service at CCI is outstanding. You actually took to the maker of the gun, Mike Cassidy, who is very helpful and doesn't mind going out of his way to help you out. I had a problem with my gun and he fixed it and sent it back the same day. Total time that my gun was away from me was 5 days because I used priority mail and he used ground shipping. Now that's fast service. If you are missing something small for your gun for whatever reason he'll actually send you some; he sent me some nylon drift screws which I stripped the one in the gun. I had a problem with my gun and talked with him on the phone for 20 min to try and figure out what the problem was. Just plain great customer service. You can't lose with Mike Cassidy backing you up.

The knowledge of how to play that you gain from being disadvantaged against semi players teaches you how to read the terrain so that you are never in a situation where you are pinned down , and you also learn to stalk your opponent so that he/she never has a chance since if you hit them with the first shot all that firepower is useless. Learning to read the terrain is difficult at first but you'll learn to be so scary and spontaneous that your opponents will be in awe. You'll be blazed many times. Just don't give up. Just think about what happened and realize what you could have done.

The feeling you get when you take out people who think that paintball is only about money and how many paintballs you can fling at an opponent is something I can't really describe. It's jus great. Stock class keeps the game interesting and pure without the random clumsiness of one out of barage of 30 hiting you and taking you out.
Conclusion: Buy this gun if you are interested in the overall best pump paintball gun you can buy. Only consider the Illusion if you want to play with a hopper and tank because the pump stroke is smoother. Consider the Palmer if you want a gun that is more heavy so that you can steady your aim easier if you like that sort of thing. Buy a Dye Carter if you own a Mercedez Benz and want to show off. The phantom is the best in my opinion for stock class play.2nd going to the palmer super stocker. Buy this gun!!
Rating:
10 out of 10
 

Review Comments
paintballdog007 Saturday, October 18th, 2003 | 6:02 pm PST
hey man thanx for the nice review u helped me decide on gettin a phantom
   

u2cool4me666 Saturday, October 9th, 2004 | 7:30 pm PST
you should look for a fr-antom barrell like a freak but for a phantom
   

stealthysprints Sunday, November 14th, 2004 | 6:35 pm PST
Nice review, Nice writing ...actully an article/review that kept me reading it ;P If i were not allready convinced on stock I woulda have bought one after that
   

mr metallica Thursday, April 14th, 2005 | 4:13 pm PST
so i got a question what kind of barrel thereds does this have?
   

paintballapro2 Tuesday, April 26th, 2005 | 4:32 pm PST
phantoms have phantom threads. Thatsa why barrels are so hard to find.
   

nahthan Saturday, April 30th, 2005 | 12:23 pm PST
Closed Bolt marekrs are not more accurate. The basic design (Nelson) makes it a high pressure marker, though it does use a low volume of air.
"This gun won't break balls as long as you know how to pump" = not true in the winter, especially with CO2.

Normally, most Snipers (ESPECIALLY REGULATED ONES) have MUCH better pump strokes. I own both.

Not only that, but no marker will shoot farther than another (with the exception of those using devices that make the ball spin), when they are set at the same velocity.
Last edited on Saturday, April 30th, 2005 at 12:30 pm PST
   

jeff_rx7 Thursday, July 14th, 2005 | 7:26 am PST
Could somebody tell me what kind of gas effeciency they get?? how many shots per 12 gram?
   

mattmaster34 Thursday, July 28th, 2005 | 8:33 pm PST
To the nahthan guy,
Yeah the WGP Sniper is cool, but can you get stock feed tubes and 12 gram changers for it? I tried the Sniper, and simply found the Phantom more to my liking. Not all guns shoot the same distance, especially when you're using a Brass Eagle Marauder....... Beleive me, I used to own one.
   

mattmaster34 Thursday, July 28th, 2005 | 8:35 pm PST
Forgot to add, the WGP Sniper is also more expensive than the VSC Phantom, and you have to buy a reg, ASA, fittings, and a hose. Too much work for me.
   

SCPaint Friday, September 9th, 2005 | 7:11 am PST
quote:
Originally posted by mattmaster34
To the nahthan guy,
Yeah the WGP Sniper is cool, but can you get stock feed tubes and 12 gram changers for it? I tried the Sniper, and simply found the Phantom more to my liking. Not all guns shoot the same distance, especially when you're using a Brass Eagle Marauder....... Beleive me, I used to own one.


yes, you can have a 12g changer and a horizontal feed on a Sniper, I have a Horizontal feed on one of my Snipers. The 12g can screw into the vertical asa where the reg goes. Though, Snipers will get less shots per 12g, as they have a larger internal volume than a phantom. All guns shooting the same speed at the same angle will shoot the SAME distance, it is a matter of physics. The only exception to this, is if you have a barrel or bolt that will put a backspin on the ball, which will allow the ball to go farther. Aside from that, a BE Marauder will shoot just as far as an Autococker, if they both have the same FPS, same paint. The autococker MAY be more accurate (dependint on setup) but they will go the same distance.
   

Wing Tuesday, September 27th, 2005 | 1:53 pm PST
Great review. Reading it really makes me wish I could go out and buy one: dont have enough $ :'(
   

Ice Epic Wednesday, August 9th, 2006 | 2:43 pm PST
What is the difference between this and the regular phantom?
   

nutcracker91111 Tuesday, October 17th, 2006 | 3:57 pm PST
ok sum one tell me wuts the point of pump guns?
   

weltsnbrusis Sunday, November 19th, 2006 | 6:17 pm PST
im definitley gettin a phantom man thanks for the info
   

Preset Reg Thursday, February 22nd, 2007 | 5:29 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by nutcracker91111
ok sum one tell me wuts the point of pump guns?


The point of getting a pump is to add skill to your game, lower the cost of paint, have more fun, and to watch people throw their electros on the ground. Try a pump. You'll have fun! Take care! :)
   

Tippy King Monday, September 24th, 2007 | 10:35 am PST
great review....ive been wanting one of these for a while...I just caint decide if i want to trade one for my A-5 with e-grip and freak barrel, and x-chamber
   

Milky Spore Thursday, September 27th, 2007 | 12:51 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by jeff_rx7
Could somebody tell me what kind of gas effeciency they get?? how many shots per 12 gram?

The VSC model gets 35-40 shots. The SC model gets 40-50 shots.
   

graham802 Monday, November 5th, 2007 | 9:11 am PST
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ExMachina16 Sunday, February 24th, 2008 | 9:15 am PST
quote:
Originally posted by Ice Epic
What is the difference between this and the regular phantom?

This is just another configuration of the Phantom running 12 grams with a vertical quick changer and a stock class feed as opposed to a hopper.
   

pepsi4all Monday, June 2nd, 2008 | 9:26 am PST
It is really nice review.... it keep me reading also...
Of course nobody is perfect when they review it.
its true the ball does not go further when both has same fps, except for barrels like flatline which gives a back spin on the ball.

Oh... get a vertical stock... so much better, you pay a lot more... its worth it.

information about overlubing,,, that's money.... meaning a golden information. User really tend to complain about fps deviation, but not paying attention what they are doing wrong

   

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