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Ivar Nelson Thursday, January 22nd, 2004
Period of
Product Use:
3 months141 of 144 people found this review helpful.

Paintball
Experience:
More than 5 years
Similar
Products Used:
Tricked Out Spyder Imagine, Good but a slower ROF, and less responsive trigger.
Marker Setup: Dragun TES with Evo II Hopper, HPA, SP Smart Valve, All Black with Black Grips (inside is painted)
Recommended
Upgrades:
Upgrades are fun to do, and in some cases actually improve the marker. Others are mainly cosmetic, and a statement by the owner. Kind of like cars. eh? This is one marker that is so good out of the box that it doesn't need much upgrading except:
1. Halo, Egg, or Reloader B Hopper.
2. The stock barrel is very good but some after market barrels are better. Spyder threading.
3. Paint the inside of the clear plastic grips with spray enamel to match your colors.
4. Get the SP Smart Valve ($20 no-tools ASA extension) if you want to use HPA or Nitro. It will move the unit back far enough to clear the grip and ASA.
5. Upgrade to your own tastes.
Strengths: Price, Features, Flexibility of CO2 & N2/HPA, Value, Appearance, Accuracy, Trigger, Serviceability, Quietness, Intimidation.
Weaknesses: Owners manual, Low price (less prestige) , Some "Tweaking" needed, Unfamiliarity, "Night Blind" (see below)
Review: The first thing that should be said about the Dragun TES is that it truly provides more usable features than any other gun at its price point. In fact I venture to say than any gun at over twice its price. Yes, you can get some high-end markers for about $150 more than what a TES is currently selling for, but you are usually in for some major upgrading. With a TES, you do not have to upgrade anything to have a completely competent and versatile gun that is only surpassed by much more expensive (and upgraded) models when they have a superior operator behind them. I am not going to get into the faster, more accurate, open v. closed bolt and other marketing driven brand comparisons. I defy anyone to come up with a better "box-stock" offering. Let's look at the strengths:

Strengths:
First of all is Price. About $250 "street price", $299 MSRP
Then:
1. Relatively Low Pressure (350-450 psi). edit.The green o-rings that come with a TES are harder than is optimum for a true low pressure (<300 psi) application. There are kits that can take you down into the 200's, but they change out to softer o-rings. If your TES leaks out of the front block, check your psi. It may be too low to seal the hard rings.
2. Non-chop "eye".
3. 20 bps semi-auto ROF.
4. Regulator & Gauge provided.
5. LCD readout (see more below).
The LCD has the ability to be a timer, shot counter, safety indicator and also displays "semi", "auto" (which it does not do) and allows you to set the bps rate. This is handy if you do not yet have a speedy hopper. I have heard that auto lets you cycle faster, and it seems to work that way for me. "Dwell" is another mode that I have yet to try to adjust. Rumor has it that it does nothing, but I do not know if that is in fact the case. edit. (Dwell is adjustable on the electropneumatic "The One" kit and/or gun. Looks like they saved some $ by standardizing the LCD board programming. I have also heard that "auto" can be a legitimate function with a little moving of trigger wire connectors. However with a 20 bps ROF, who needs it?) Maybe someone who knows could address that in the comments. edit.(The Dwell "nothing" was confirmed by balla in comment #3)
6. Solidly constructed (almost all metal except grips) & the spring pin is solid brass!
7. Uses whatever bottle you have around, doesn't need HPA/N2 bottles.
8. Looks good with the top-cocking bolt.
9. Stock barrel is the most accurate stock one that I have seen, although not "perfect".
10. Trigger pull is only about 60% of a Spyder Electro. Compares favorably with almost any $750+ plus gun and the slack is adjustable.
11. Disassembly is even easier than a Spyder, because they have done away with the most often lost piece, the "hairpin" spring that secures the bolt take-down pin. In its place is a well-engineered adjustable spring-loaded ball detent. Good engineering!
12. Easy to take down, clean and reassemble. Like a Spyder/Timmy hybrid.
13. Very quiet when fired. Helps keep you inconspicuous.
14. Anti-chop eye. Will not fire without a ball in the chamber, can be switched off.
15. Lower recoil than most.
16. Comes with its own black briefcase, (at least a $20 value) and looks like it is to be feared. Six colors, some with fades, are currently available.
17. Tech support (Alabama) is responsive.

Weaknesses:
1. The "Owners Manual" reminds me of one that came with an Onkyo stereo that I bought in 1968 on Okinawa. It too lost something in translation. For example: "Don't the record (a pre-dvd recording media, for you younger players) on the turntable when you shouldn't the record". The TES manual has a section on velocity adjustment. In short it tells you to turn the hex bolt counter-clockwise to increase the velocity.
In the very next sentence it says to turn it counter-clockwise to decrease the velocity. Fortunately the pressure gauge is there to show you that counter-clockwise increases pressure, which translates to higher velocity. Somewhere around 400psi is about right for most uses. It may vary gun-to-gun depending on paintball, gas used, etc. But the manual doesn't tell you that.
2. Because it is so reasonably priced, some may "look down" on the gun. My advice to them is to not underestimate its abilities.
3. If you buy an Evo II to feed the little Dragun, you will need to sand down the feed tube to allow it to fit in the cup. I hope you have a Dremel Mini-Tool or some such motorized tool handy. Use the foam centered sanding bit for about 5 minutes. An abrasive wheel is too inconsistent, and likely to leave you with a non-cylindrical tube. Sanding by hand will take hours!
Also you will have to adjust the trigger play and the psi in the regulator. Both are very easy.
4. If you tell people that you have a Spyder, Angel, 'Cocker, etc. they usually are familiar with those brands. Fewer are knowledgeable about Draguns. For some having a "different" item is a plus. Not everyone likes Toyota Camrys.
5. The "night blind" comment means that the eye does not "see" black paintballs, or ones with a lot of black on them, and I expect that it would not see any balls at night because it relies on ambient light, not a light "beam". Not a real problem though if you turn the eye off (hold the trigger back before loading, for 8-12 seconds) as long as you don't out-shoot your hopper.
6. The TES, unlike the Imagine and others, does not have an external jack to plug in a charger for a rechargeable battery. It would be a nice "extra" although not really a necessity. With so many other features, guess they had to save somewhere.........
7. The threads in the regulator and ASA are different than the standard. If you want a drop forward you will either need a new regulator and hose, or just attach the small TES DF to the new DF! You may have to turn the dovetailed mount around in the process.
Conclusion: Anyone who is looking for a better gun than they currently have will be more than happy with the Dragun TES. Those that have well over $1000 in a gun probably feel that they have a better gun now, and wouldn't even consider it. However, if they are looking for a great "backup"....................?
I have no reservations about recommending this gun to anyone. I would give it a 9, but because of the great value I'm going with a solid 10. It gives more per $ by far than anything else I've seen. And if you can twitch or walk the trigger at 30 bps (probably physically impossible without seizures) the new "One" kit will let you fling paint at that rate too. Just remember that's only 7 seconds to an empty hopper.
Rating:
10 out of 10Last edited on Friday, February 27th, 2004 at 7:55 am PST
 

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impulse_pbman Friday, February 20th, 2004 | 8:57 pm PST
that was a good review man, this review was the reason I got the dragun t.e.s and I am very pleased with it. I used to have a bushmaster as my main gun, but now its my backup thanks to this review, and its a lil better in my sense of view, very helpful IVAR!
   

gomster Sunday, February 22nd, 2004 | 7:27 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by impulse_pbman
that was a good review man, this review was the reason I got the dragun t.e.s and I am very pleased with it. I used to have a bushmaster as my main gun, but now its my backup thanks to this review, and its a lil better in my sense of view, very helpful IVAR!
You have got to be kidding me. You are using your Bushmaster as your back up in place of this? It has to be a Fish Bone Milled Bushy right?
   

weirdo Monday, February 23rd, 2004 | 10:27 pm PST
Hey are you sure you don't work for BD? j/k I just got a t.e.s. It's odd, if I knew that it didn't have a working auto mode then I wouldn't have bought it. But I'm glad I did! Any idea what the sear adjustment is for? and why I'd want to mess with it?
   

wildarms Wednesday, February 25th, 2004 | 7:54 pm PST
put is you problem impulse pbman I would kill for a bushmaster and your using it as back up for a T.E.S? You are screwed up!
   

k2skier5500 Friday, February 27th, 2004 | 9:12 pm PST
i have had this gun for 3 months now. i have only experience problems. Air leaks, odd threading and parts, and massive chopping without the eye on. also the warranty department people are worthless. do not get this gun, it is worth the couple extra bucks to get a stock autococker.
   

Ivar Nelson Saturday, February 28th, 2004 | 1:57 pm PST
K2skier5500 flames Draguns. This is a worthless comment . His other posts were deleted.
Last edited on Saturday, March 6th, 2004 at 9:09 am PST
   

bullski Thursday, March 4th, 2004 | 4:54 am PST
I`ve had the TES for about 4 months now....NO,i repeat no problems what so ever!!!!
I`ve recently upgraded it with a new zenitram trigger and Anti chop delrin bolt....and now it`s AWESOME!!!!!!
   

manu2001 Tuesday, April 6th, 2004 | 10:31 pm PST
How can I eliminate the trigger's side to side play on the TES?
   

AgCarreraGT Thursday, April 15th, 2004 | 7:34 pm PST
I was thinking of buying a T.E.S. but I heard it takes autococker park like the intimidator any word on this?
   

paint_sniper07 Tuesday, April 27th, 2004 | 7:04 pm PST
can you use C02 with this gun without messing it up? I need help! Because on one site it says dont use with c02 but you said it was o.k.
   

skimples Sunday, May 2nd, 2004 | 8:15 pm PST
ya it's ok to use co2
   

sportsaddict93 Monday, May 3rd, 2004 | 5:25 pm PST
hey- this is an awesome review, but i'm kinda confused..... does this gun have full auto??
   

tweek1957 Monday, May 10th, 2004 | 5:57 am PST
I agree with everthing you said except the part about it being really quiet. Mine is louder than hell. Every shot sounds like a M-16. But it might just be me. Really good review though.
   

furyskater16 Friday, May 21st, 2004 | 6:48 pm PST
I need some info....like where can i get bolts...low rise feed necks...trigger accesories..etc...i might be getting one soon but have no clue where to get upgrades and which ones are good...you seem to know alot about this gun so email me w/ info!
   

Z315 Monday, May 24th, 2004 | 7:09 pm PST
Ok. This gun is going to be a big jump for me. the only guns i have before is a sypder Aggossorr XT and a Bone Daddy. Now. I'm not really a "INTO" paintball repairs or anything like that. So what do I need to know before I purchase this gun? Because based on your reviews, this baby looks nice. But all that little "Tweaking" is scary me. So what should I do?! And where can I find "The One " Kit ? and all those Tweaking stuff? PM or just say it here please! thanks! EDIT! Where can I FIND TECH SUPPORT!!?
Last edited on Tuesday, May 25th, 2004 at 9:18 pm PST
   

Master-Duo Wednesday, May 26th, 2004 | 8:04 pm PST
Ok, If you think that you can shoot down this marker just because your friend doesnt know how to take care of his marker, then get one yourself and use it.
Also the TES is the highest quality Hybrid Blowback Marker there is (At least under 1000 dollars). The only thing that the TES needs is a newer bolt and a drop. Also It CANNOT go full-auto, the "auto" is just ment to be able to shoot FASTER. If you set it to 20 bps Auto, You'll be able to shoot pretty fast without chopping, that is if you have a good hopper to keep feeding.
   

wakeupandbord Friday, May 28th, 2004 | 6:54 pm PST
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME WITH MY TES???
I have a TES witha new Air America Messiah reg, and a Shocktech Supa fly bolt. I have always had problems with my gun chopping, it always jams up and doesnt want to recock a lot of the time and the velocity is jumping a lot even with the new reg. I have upgraded my gun like crazy and it didnt make a difference and I have tried just about everything such as, new bolt, new reg, new batteries, new hopper, different paint, etc.. (I only listed the bolt and reg because those are the only upgrades that could have somethng to do with my gun's problems.) PLEASE HELP ME!! email me at wakeupandbord@aol.com or click on my PB Review name and send me a private message or just leave a message right here.
Last edited on Friday, May 28th, 2004 at 6:55 pm PST
   

GT2K Wednesday, June 2nd, 2004 | 12:17 pm PST
Great review Ivar. People can agree or disagree with your comments, that's their choice, but at least it gives someone some good info before they go out and put money down on one. Unlike some of the other reviews that were written by 10 year olds who shot the gun at the store a few times. Well done.
   

DerAdler Thursday, June 10th, 2004 | 4:28 pm PST
great review, i shot one at a local tourney and everything you said was true
   

erik vandenavon Thursday, June 10th, 2004 | 6:37 pm PST
i would buy the tes but i would need a new bolt, new drop, a new regulator, and a spring kit. together that is aver 100 bucks
Last edited on Thursday, June 10th, 2004 at 6:40 pm PST
   
                            
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