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Rotties67 Wednesday, March 10th, 2004
Period of
Product Use:
3 months39 of 44 people found this review helpful.

Paintball
Experience:
6 months
Similar
Products Used:
Only other product I have ever used is a VL Orion. There is no comparison.
Marker Setup: Spyder Fenix
Evolution 2 Hopper
J&J Ceramic 14" Barrel
Dye Sticky 3 E-Grips
68/4500 ACI Bulldog III HPA
Recommended
Upgrades:
Straight out of the box this is still a great marker.
The only immeadiate upgrade needed is an electronic hopper (but any electric gun needs that), and I use an Evolution II.
An aftermarket barrel will almost always be an improvement over the stock one (duh). And the only reason I went with the J&J Ceramic is because I got a great deal on one from E-bay.
The grips are an issue that needs to be addressed, but 20 bucks later and I am happy.
So to summerize:
1st: Electric Hopper (Evolution 2)
2nd: Barrel (tie) (I know my J&J works flawlessly)
2nd: Grips (tie) I have the Sticky 3 E-grips and they are great
Strengths: Looks, Firing Options, Solid marker, Out of Box Use, Confidence builder
Weaknesses: Weight can be an issue, Grips are flimsy, Too expensive for some people.
Review: I'll be the first to admit I am most definitely a student of the sport. But it makes no difference with this marker if you are a seasoned veteran or a newcomer to the game.

First let me start by saying I know that this marker is an overpriced Imagine with one more firing option. I don't care. I love this marker. From the feel, to the looks, to the weight, to the awe it inspires in all the Tippmann lovers I play with. This gun can compete with the best of them.

I have shot this gun straight out of the box and was impressed with it immediately. From up to about 100 feet away it was really accurate. Little kick back and a loud shot. But that plays right into my style. I like people to know I am coming. This gun is most definitely usable in games without any additional upgrades and you will still be competitive if not have an edge over people you play with.

Although I recommend a higher quality paintball, I have played with the cheap Walmart specials and still never chopped a single ball. This gun rocks.

Now, if you want to dominate, just make a few adjustments and the game belongs to you. The new barrel helped to quiet down my shots a lot. I was picking people off from well over 150 feet away. The Eggy 2 hopper more than kept up with the gun, I never chopped a single paintball (either cheap ones or top shelf). I can only dream what will happen when I upgrade to HPA. Don't get me wrong, I sill have a lot of work to do on this monster (i.e. drop forward, LP system, etc), but it is a dominating force right now, and it will only get better.

UPDATE: I upgraded to HPA about two weeks ago and have put my marker through a couple of tests. The first was to load the hopper to full capacity, have the firing mode on full auto, and keep shooting till I broke a ball. 3 full hoppers later I decided it wasn't going to happen. The real kicker, this was with Blue Streak paint. I took it to get the chrono and the difference was never more than +/-5 fps all day. Definately an improvement over the CO2.

This marker also gives the user an instant confidence boost. If you play with just recreational players like I do, odds are they are always wanting to use the Fenix. I even put my Fenix to the test against a Tippmann A-5 (with the flatline barrel), and the Spyder won hands down. Whether it was accuracy, which would fire faster (we counted 45 paintballs a piece and put them in our respective hoppers, I won with it in Auto as well as Semi-auto), or overall looks (polled the people we played with). I know the player makes the gun, but in this case the gun definately helps the player.

I also am thrilled with the field strip capability. Pull a pin and you are in business. It's a nice touch to an already fantastic marker.

I believe that my favorite part of this marker though is that it is so easliy upgradable. Whether for looks, improvement, or both there really is nothing that can't be changed. It has inline holes for the drop forward instead of the standard Spyder offset, and that opens a whole new door for options.

The only real knock I have with this gun is the stock grips. They are something that you will just want to replace soon. Very flimsy and (sorry to say) poorly made. After installing the battery there is a slight gap where paint and other debris can get in. The Dye Sticky 3 (e-frame variety) elimanted any problem. I got the blue ones and it looks tight, but the black ones might look a bit better. The other thing I have heard is that it is too heavy. I don't really see it. Don't get me wrong, it is a stout little gun (especially with a full hopper on it), but nothing to really be concerned with. I have no problems with it. But then again, I am 23 and work out at least 3 times a week. To be honest, I like the weight. I feel more comfortable and confident with my marker made out of solid metal than a marker made out of plastic.

2nd Edit: Be forewarned, the older style Boomstick Barrels do NOT fit this marker. I bought a Syper threaded Boomy and although it fit my wifes Imagine, it would not fit my Fenix. I called Dye about it and the confirmed it. The older ones will not fit the newer Kingman markers. If the barrel had never been used before they would have exchanged it, but since it was used I was SOL, but my wife was happy.
Conclusion: I researched a lot of different markers before I decided on this one (including the Imagine and the Tippmann A-5). But in my opinion none of them can really compare with the Fenix. Looks alone will get you one or two people out (people are so amazed/scared of the gun that they don't play to their full potential). I can honestly say I would recommend this marker to just about anyone. If you are on the bubble of deciding yes or no, go to your local field and ask someone to see theirs. If no one has one then take a chance on it like I did. You aren't going to be disappointed.

And remember, a Fenix always rises from the ashes...
Rating:
10 out of 10Last edited on Sunday, April 25th, 2004 at 10:35 am PST
 

Review Comments
cockerdog21 Thursday, March 25th, 2004 | 10:53 am PST
I was picking people off from well over 150 yards away.

????? a foot ball field and a half?? don't think so my friend maybe 150 feet if u r lucky.
   

Rotties67 Saturday, March 27th, 2004 | 12:12 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by cockerdog21
I was picking people off from well over 150 yards away.

????? a foot ball field and a half?? don't think so my friend maybe 150 feet if u r lucky.


My bad, I fixed it. Must have been going through football withdrawals or something.
   

naten85 Tuesday, March 30th, 2004 | 3:03 pm PST
good review. very descriptive and helpful. i am now confident enough to purchase one of these guns after i try it out. thnx :) -oh and dont worry about cockerdog up there he is just a pettifogger (look it up)
Last edited on Tuesday, March 30th, 2004 at 3:04 pm PST
   

cockerdog21 Wednesday, March 31st, 2004 | 2:08 pm PST
quote:
Originally posted by naten85
good review. very descriptive and helpful. i am now confident enough to purchase one of these guns after i try it out. thnx :) -oh and dont worry about cockerdog up there he is just a pettifogger (look it up)

no i am not, i just want reviews to be accurate so when a newbie reads it he doesn't run out and get the new Super Sniping Spyder (Fenix) only to be disappointed by the gun cause it didn't live up to what was said. we don't need a bunch of people bad mouthing paintball and the people that play it. we need to help each other out and make paintball as big a sport as football is. PAINTBALL 4 LIFE!!
   

Paintballgrrl Thursday, April 22nd, 2004 | 4:04 pm PST
nice job! beautiful review.
   

The_Hawk Wednesday, September 22nd, 2004 | 6:38 pm PST
Overpriced Imagine? I don't believe Imagines come with a regulator stock... Just being a bit nit-picky. Anyways, nice elevated vocabulary. Excellent review.
   

spencerTLXblu Sunday, December 12th, 2004 | 10:09 am PST
i agree with the hawk....the only thing the same about the imagine and the fenix is the company name and the name spyder....the trigger frame is different and better (they say up 14 bps but i have gotten mine up to 16 on a chrono), they have clamping feed necks, the bolts are better and quicker, the imagine doesnt have a 15 degree angle on its forgrip/expansion chamber, the fenix has an inline regulator, the fenix has a better barrel (it is 2 piece but the pieces are molded together), the fenix has a better look to it, and the fenix is just down right better than the imagine...yes it is more...but it is worth it because (for stock parts) it is more accurate, fast, field stripable, fixable, easier to use...i love this gun...yea the stock barrel inst that great but no stock barrel is very good other than guns that cost like 800 bucks and up...i have a 14 inch smart parts freak barrel for mine with a silver freak front, stainless steak backs, and stainless steal inserts...and about the freak...some people say that the stainless steal doesnt do anything better than the aluminum freak...the stainless steal is much more durable and takes longer to wear down...before people say anything about products they need to test them...thats why i hate people that come on here and say trash about products that they have never used...one of my friends hates smart parts so he comes on here and says stuff about smart parts products that he has never used...he wrote a bad review about the freak on another site...he tried mine and he likes it SO DONT SAY THINGS ABOUT PRODUCTS THAT YOU HAVE NEVER USED BEFORE!!!
   

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