I went back to Fox last Saturday, Aug 12th, played open and had a GREAT TIME!!!!!!
Starting from the top of what I posted on the 20th.
The waiting. Much better. I think they could be a bit more firm on last call for open games but that is just be being picky. From when I was ready to play till the actual start of a game was down to 20 minutes. That is pretty quick.
All the refs were great. There was one ref that was new and when he didn't have the answer to one question we asked he got it for us right away. When we called for a paint check the refs would SPRINT over and check.
We played a few games of speed ball and had no issues. We were allowed to play against each other. That was a lot of fun.
I have upgraded my tank to a 4500 psi tank and there were 3 fills stations available for it. Only once was a station down and it was fixed in under 5 minutes. I lent a friend my 3000 psi tank and he never had to wait.
The chrono station I complained about was changed. It is now netting instead of wood. This is perfectly fine for a chrono station. I still think the netting could be tacked down to form an angle because there was still a bit of splashing from the paint. However it was vastly improved.
The team management was great. At one point we rolled over the other team and it was taken care of right away.
Every issue I had mentioned was addressed. That is pretty amazing.
We are planning another outing in October and we will be going back to Fox regardless if it is a private game or not.
Oh, the Gatorade is ICE cold and only $1.50 a bottle.
Bottom line, great field to play at, BYOP is awesome, refs were great, lots of fill stations that work, the drinks are ice cold and last but not least management that listens to the players.
I have only played private games at Fox until last Saturday. The private games were excellent and the refs were fine since they had little to do since we always well organized and cheating isn't an issue. This time they were fully booked for private games so we had to play open.
BIG MISTAKE!!!!! 1st off the wait between games was getting excessive until we started complaining. At one point we switched sides, this does not mean going for more air and paint just swapping sides, and then waited 45 minutes before the next round started. They claimed they were running 2 open games at a time. This seemed like a waste of manpower since I always saw refs just sitting around doing nothing. Also some of the refs didn't have radios which really slowed things down
For the most part the refs were simply there collecting a paycheck. The one exception was a ref that has a pony tail and his mask had ref painted across the goggles. He was outstanding. He was going so far as to police pods that people were tossing. that is above and beyond. The other refs wouldn't even do paint checks so wiping was getting out of control. I hit one guy right in the goggles and he wiped it right in front of a ref. I don't know if they were friends but when I called the ref on it he ignored me and let the guy play on.
At the speedball field the only ref there was only letting people play against a team that needed to practice. We had enough people in our group to play 10 on 10 and he wouldn't let us. After that we were stuck with woodsball.
The lines at the fill station were long. This is because only one 3000 psi station was working. I waited 20 minutes just for air. On the plus side they did have 2 4500 psi stations. Good excuse to upgrade my tank.
The chrono station right by the entrance was poorly built. The back wall was maybe 10' away. So every shot splattered you with paint. It would not have ben that hard to have built the wall a bit farther back to prevent this.
The other big problem were the teams. At one point the teams were so lopsided it was ~20 on ~50 or more. I know it can be a bit tough to organize big groups but that is a bit much.
I will probably won't go back there unless it is a private game. I heard the same thing from the other 19 people I went with.
I gave the field a 4 for open games. I will say that for private games it has always been a 10. I like the fields and the refs were pleasant. I WILL go back for private games and plan on trying to book one for July.
EDIT: I have decided to send an email to the field so I have changed my review from will not go back to might go back. I think it is fair to give them an opportunity to respond to my complaints.
EDIT #2: I sent an email to Fox and already have a reply from Tim, the president of Fox PB, addressing my concerns. He doesn't try to make any excuses. Instead he thanked me for the feedback and explained what he would to to try to remedy the situation. That is a pleasant surprise
As I said before I would wait for a reply to my email and now that I have it I will give them another try. No one can be perfect but admitting to it goes a long way to fixing the issue(s). The least I can do is return the favor.
Last edited on Monday, August 14th, 2006 at 12:17 pm PST
Hello, This is the ref with the pony tail; Chris, and I appreciate the review for its honesty and I admit that I was a bit overwhelmed last saturday. The field is in a state of change and we are doing our best to maintain quality games with huge crowds. I just wanted to say that I appreciate the criticism, it gives us an idea of what needs to change. I have already decided that I need to be a little bit less forgiving on the stragglers who walk up five to ten minutes after I call last call to go out for open game and just keep things running. I take responsibility for the delays as I have struggled to keep a balanced game for as many people as possible and sometimes it gets difficult to keep things at a good pace and keep over a hundred people with a wide variety of armaments all safe and fairly opposed. Feel free to talk to me or who ever else is the head ref for the day and we will do our best to make whatever changes are best. We can't be perfect all the time, but from our mistakes we gain the opportunity to grow strengths as long as we take the time to look at what went wrong and ponder what could be done better.
Thanks again for the review
(and P.S. I'll see what I can do about the chrono station, but I can't make any promises.)