The accuracy of this review is disputed. Please see discussion below.
Period of Field Use:
December 11th, 2008
Other Fields in the Area:
None, I am from the Seattle area in Washington. Our team did not make it to the field.
Directions to the Field:
The address is to the owners place. The field is across the street and up the hill.
The review is middle of the road due to the fact that my team did not make it to the field. This is a review of the owners conduct. You can see that while reviews commenting on the owner are disputed, that there have been other comments about this fields owner.
Background: My team traveled from the Portland and Seattle areas to this field for practice. Over 10 members and guests had shown up. Unfortunately unexpected snow was present in spite of that information not being available on weather sites we checked before hand. At the time of arrival, we were prepared and we were looking forward to a casual snow practice.
Pros: 4.5k Fills. Very slow on a small compressor, but they were there.
During the initial safety briefing the owner seemed "spacey". This was my first time meeting him, so I won't comment any further on that. This was noticed by almost everyone at the field.
***No refs were present with over 10 people scheduled before hand to play.*** (Before anyone disputes this review, be advised that several other people involved in the same situation are going to post up about it on pbreview)
The owner led the group up the hill in his car.
- Directions over the hill to the field were not made clear by the owner
- The owner traveled ahead, losing us up the icey road.
The road was more icey than expected and was basically untravelable. Our team leader had wrecked his truck in the ditch, the owner asked "are you stuck" and after our team leader told him yes, the owner said "well- good luck!" and left the guy in the ditch.
A few other cars and trucks hand gotten stuck. All total we helped 10 cars get unstuck and delayed a total of 31 cars. The ice was such that if cars stopped, they got stuck.
** the one or two team members that made it to the field were not told by the owner that he passed our team leader and other members that were stuck in the snow. The people that actually made it to the field (3) were made to wait. Our teamates drove back to check on us, but the owner did not.
Keep in mind, the owner had all of our cash at $20+ per person.
We were stuck for about 4 hours and the owner did not make the 10 minute drive down to check on the situation after it was reported to him.
Afterwards, we were not contacted for a refund or compensation of any kind. Curiously, the owners email was shut down, or otherwise unavailable and almost a month later after several calls and email. For whatever reason, the owner seemed to stall via phone and email after we finally got a hold of him.
The point to all of this is to simply say- the snow we get, the ref situation in that type of weather we get, but this owner left us in a dangerous situation and did not appear to have any intention of helping or returning our money at the time.
Dispute: The weather was bad, yes, but the organizers wanted to go on with the game because people had come from so far. The owner advised against it the day before because of the road conditions. However, there are some inconsistancies that need to be addressed. 1. If the owner/ref led the group up the hill in his car, and didn't come back to see why some of the others didn't make it. How was he able to pass the 4x4 truck in the ditch, so he could say "good luck"? 2. Should he have stopped and pulled out the 4x4 truck with his car? 3. The owner refunded all the money to all the players who didn't want to play, the 9 who played had a "great time" according to them. Those who didn't play and who made it to the field had their money refunded right at the field. All the rest came came in the field and played paintball. 4. What more could you have expected from the owner? He had the majority of the players who wanted to play. He sent the other players with trucks back to help. If you live in the North West you may expect to have bad weather. The organizer was warned, and decided to proceed. While the owner was not happy with what happened I think it was handled appropriately.
Dispute: I am a seasoned player who has played for years on numerous fields and multiple times at Woodland Paintball Action. I know the owner personally. In all situations that I have played the Owner/Ref. has been accommodating and very fair in both pricing of game, supplies and Regulation play. Pricing is well below what you can get any where else for a full day (6+hrs) of play on a course with three types of fields; speed, forested and barricade. Because the field is a 'Reservations Only' field you play with many age groups at one time. The Ref is firm to make sure everyone is playing to Reg standards. If he comes off 'gruff' its because he must to keep the field and its players safe.
I would recommend this field to anyone who wants a full days play on a variety field for practically nothing down.
Between the time of this post, and now we have learned that some of this was organizational on our end. As far as the comments about the owner, they are based on observation. Considering this was a one time experience and we did not make it to the field, if a customer is considering this field, I would choose this field based off of the regular customers experience.
To answer your questions...(this is thread is old at this point, but I just got the responses email). It looks like the poster has information that only a) the customers would know or b) the players would know.
1) Comment: The weather was bad, yes, but the organizers wanted to go on with the game because people had come from so far. The owner advised against it the day before because of the road conditions.
Answer: This makes sense as I had a few months later that our team captain did not want us to go up there based on these facts. Unfortunately he was the type to agree with just about anything then blameshift. This isn't the fields problem. Our team leader at the time wouldn't take responsibility for wiping his own ass.
2) Comment: However, there are some inconsistancies that need to be addressed. 1. If the owner/ref led the group up the hill in his car, and didn't come back to see why some of the others didn't make it. How was he able to pass the 4x4 truck in the ditch, so he could say "good luck"? 2. Should he have stopped and pulled out the 4x4 truck with his car?
Answer: 1. The owner was driving a truck and as far as we could tell over the course of several hours in the snow, did not call for help and for sure did not provide any assistence for his cusomers. Period. One consistent fact is that cars would not make it up past a certain point in the road for us and local residents. (FYI- "4x4" is-not-listed in the original post above) If I remember right it was a 2WD Ford Escape....this didn't seem to matter either way as we got pretty much everything stuck. (Also not the field owners problem, however...)
3. Comment: The owner refunded all the money....etc, etc...
Answer: All money was refunded, all in attendence confirmed that no players were "sent back". This is where the story vs. explanation from both sides begins to break down.
If, as a customer once you *get to the field* te paintball is good, then excellent. As for the customers in attendence all were from the NW, north of the location. Had I made it to the field, I am sure it would have been fun, however with my safety I wouldn't trust the owner enough to take a crap on him.
Most consenting adults don't need an explanation as to how to handle a situation like this. It will be up to the owner to determine how he feels about losing business, he's an adult. Conincedently, not because of this experience, we play in other locations now.
Like I said, the responder seemed to have information that indicated he was a part of the whole experience. Responding 5+ months after the fact....*shrug*
FYI- the owner did not come across as *gruff*, he came across as "stoned".