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D's Toy Wednesday, February 3rd, 2010
Period of
Field Use:
Just once
Date There: January 31st, 2010
Paintball
Experience:
More than 5 years
Other Fields
in the Area:
Westworld- Smaller, more expensive, refs catered to the regular players. IE "cheating"
Directions
to the Field:
from the West, you can take the 303 north until it hits Happy Valley Pkw. Head East 2.3 miles to Lake Pleasant Pkwy then turn north 6.3 miles. One block before Carefree Highway, you might see the large sign pointing you to Cowtown, Turf soaring school and Canyon Raceway. (I missed it and had to turn around.. It is easier to see from the north) Turn Left (west) the road will become dirt. Cowtown is at the end of the dirt road, it dead ends there, you can't miss it.
Review: EDIT--read the note at the bottom. Comments have been added into main body, then deleted.

I have been playing for over 15 years, around the world, including two teams, and 3 scenario games. Altogether I have played on about 50 different fields, so I have some perspective here. I would like to clarify some conflicting reviews I read before going myself. Apparently there is a newer owner different than many of the past reviews, and there is no longer a food vendor.

Arrival: The dirt access road is about a mile to the field, it is car friendly. It is a grated, graveled road, with no divots or potholes. Check in is quick and easy.

Cost: $25 for field fee is about average, the $10 military/law enforcement discount makes it a great price for us government types. $10 for rental equipment is a good price, however most places will tie it together in the field fee, here if you have to rent, it's a total of $35. Paint at $45 per case is actually cheap compared to most places. I paid $60 at westworld. You can also bring your own paint to save on costs, unless you use a rental. Rentals are field paint only.

Field: as of Sun Jan 31 2010 they had three fields set up.
1 Sup Air field which was in use by the fields three sponsored teams for most of the day, thus I did not play on it. The field looked nice, had grass on it, and appeared to be the same as any other tournament set up. This field should be missing the weekend of Feb 6-7 due to a Yuma AZ tournament they are taking the field to.

2 A Hyperball looking field made from large plastic tubes. I did not play on this field either, However it looked like a decent speedball ish mirror image field.

3 A large rec ball field that includes an Alamo castle section for assault the castle type games, a city section which includes about 6-8 plywood buildings with rooms sectioned off, and a large field area surrounding the city full of bunkers, wrecked cars, a boat, and a crashed plane. I played 8 games on this field, and I particularly like the full field games, which include the city.

Safety-- As with any field, safety is always a major concern for anyone who wants to keep their eyes, or not have skin broken from a paintball. Goggles are required upon entering ANY open fire area, even when games are not ongoing. Barrel plugs/bags are required when not on the fields/open fire areas. Dry firing is not allowed when not on the field. Guns are to be 280fps or less. Guns are to be Simi auto only.

Problems--
1 While there was a Chrono on the rec field, there was NO enforcement of the 280 fps limit. I saw about 10 out of 50 people check their guns. After 15 years of playing I KNOW when I get hit from a hot gun, and several people were running over 310fps (which breaks the skin from 20ft or further). When called out, one specific guy that broke skin on four different people including myself, couldn't get the Chrono to "work" for him. Two of the reffs, while good at paint checking and mask enforcement, were no help on checking his gun. They could only get the chrono to register 180fps, on one shot out of 10... off to the side, instead of directly over it, as it was meant to be. Then they said he was a regular and he's fine, they don't really have to check him. -- Epic Fail

2 Anyone who has played for any length of time can also tell when a gun is on burst, auto, or semi auto. I was shot from less than 2 feet away by a 14yo kid with two shots of three round burst in less than a second... After I startled him by calling a safety from behind him. All of them broke skin.

3 The refs did not explain the "safety" rule typically defined as less than 10 ft, with clear line of fire, and obvious tactical advantage. IE sneaking up behind someone, or touching them with your barrel.

4 There was obvious uneven rules enforcement. Wiping was prevalent. There was no explanation to the new players on what consisted of a “hit”. IE gun shots DO count, bounces do NOT.

5 The "Teams" that were sponsored by the field did not follow the rules. IE Dry fire in the staging area. And since they had an upcoming tournament, they hogged the speedball field.

6 The field was “open” at 0800, but no games were ready until almost 1030, the staff simply was not prepared on time. I will not go again before 0930.

7 The staging area is directly in the line of fire from the "Hyperball" speedball field, and one side of the rec ball field. It "is" netted off from the fields with construction netting, however there are some holes and it is 1 ply netting. There was lots of splatter and ball shards that made it through the nets and at least 1 full ball that broke on a 2L coke bottle on my table. I will also talk to the owner about this issue.

Final thoughts-- Over all I had a good time, and enjoyed the field. The few shortcomings can easily be overcome, and I will speak to the owner about the chrono issues. I will be going back this weekend and taking a few friends with me, so I can get some Idea of how they cater to "groups" vs. just me as a walk on with my own gear.

MAJOR EDIT

WoW... All I can say is Wow... Overall I had a great time while I was there and I rated the field well. I had planned on going back, but then, I spoke to the field owner Bruce to book a group, and to let him know what was going on at his field, since he wasn't there. Instead of the expected response of "oh thank you for the incite, and what can I do to fix the safety problems". I got a "I do not think we will be a good fit for each other please do not return to my field" WOW.... Bruce then recommended two other fields that always follow safety rules, and implied that he liked his field as it was, and was NOT going to fix his field. Based on the LACK of a correct response by the owner, and the total disregard for fixing safety issues, I will no longer be able to recommended this field. The safety "problems" were the lack of Chronoing personal markers as they entered the field, and some holes between the viewing area and the playing area. Based on these reasons I can NOT in good conscious send anyone to his field. But it is your safety.

It is my understanding (meaning I may be wrong) that for insurance purposes you MUST crono and have functioning netting separating the fields and the staging area. If this IS true, they fail. I will Re-Edit this entry when I find out for sure.

Rob Lloyd (I don't do that anonymous crap!)
Last edited on Wednesday, February 10th, 2010 at 12:19 pm PST
 

Review Comments
TellyJ Saturday, August 14th, 2010 | 4:58 pm PST
First of all, Bruce is no longer the owner of the field and I can tell you first hand that Brian, the current owner, would never tell you to go to a different field unless you were a) wiping i.e. cheating b) being disrespectful and ruining everyone elses good time or c) conducting yourself in a non-appropriate way i.e. swearing, drinking, ect.
   

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