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Breeze123 Monday, August 2nd, 2010
The accuracy of this review is disputed. Please see discussion below.
Period of
Field Use:
Just once
Date There: August 1st, 2010
Paintball
Experience:
6 months
Other Fields
in the Area:
Played at local gathering at a nice church in Mooresville.
Review: DO NOT ALLOW YOUR CHILDREN TO GO HERE. We took our 10 year old son here this past Sunday and upon showing up there they played one game without any safety briefing or rules being made known. We were new to this field and tried to get all the information that we could from the refs and were not told any rules until we spoke up after the first game. We wanted to know and our son needed to know the rules since he was new. So they told us that no point blank shooting was allowed and the minimum distance is 20ft. Also look on their site it says the same rules that they told us there. So after about 2 hours of play our son was involved in a city course where he was shot at point blank range within 3ft by an older man that was a veteran player that seemed to know all the players and refs well. Our sons left fore arm and stomach was bleeding and the skin was stripped off and both injuries were very swollen. Our son was escorted out of the game by one of the refs who told us he was hit at very close range. The ref told us then that close range, point blank firing is allowed in the city course which did not sound right after being told that 20ft minimum firing distance was the rule. Our son came out of the game and the player that did it was allowed to remain playing. Our son did not shoot the other player and the player says that our son raised his gun when he asked to surrender. He was never asked to surrender and he did not raise his gun proof of that is the left fore arm injury. He is left handed. It is not possible to be hit dead on the center of your left fore arm if your gun in raised and ready to shoot. He had his gun down and that allowed the fore arm injury and stomach injury to occur. The veteran player and the entire ref staff knew each other very well and were not going to hold their friend responsible for not going by the rules. They simply did not care and lied about what happened to keep the player and their facility from being held responsible for abiding by the stated 20ft minimum rule. This incident was not handled in a professional manner. The owner went off a lie and story that the other player made up because we feel they were friends with the man who did this to our son. BEWARE this place, Refs, and owner DO NOT enforce the rules stated. Enter this place at your own risk. Be prepared to be shot at a very close unsafe range and hey you might even lose an eye while your at it. THIS PLACE SHOULD NOT BE INSURED OR EVEN OPEN FOR THAT MATTER. DO NOT BE FOOLED THEY DO NOT ABIDE BY THEIR STATED RULES.
 

Review Comments
Mike-BossPB Thursday, October 21st, 2010 | 8:47 am PST
My name is Mike, I am one of the Field Managers at Boss Paintball, and would like to respond to your review. I remember you and your son from the time you first visited our field to check it out as well as the time you both came into our shop to buy your son equipment, and of course the day in question in your review.
Let me begin by saying I am sorry you felt our field was unsafe, but some of your remarks are unfair and inaccurate. The facts were checked, not only with the older player and reffing staff (I will elaborate on their relationship in a moment) but also with other players who witnessed the incident. Your son received a safety briefing, not only in the safety compound but also on the field before the game started. The game was explained as a Close Quarters game, one where close range shooting has been known to happen. The players were further told that if they weren't comfortable with this we would happily escort them back so as to keep them from feeling uncomfortable. When the older player rounded a corner he challenged your son to surrender, to which your son responded by turning and aiming at the older player. The older player shot and hit your son at a range of around 7-10 feet. The hit locations on your son make sense considering the angle from which he was shot, high and to the front. After the incident took place, the referee closest to the exchange knowing your son was inexperienced immediately tended to him to make sure he was alright, and then escorted him from the field to make doubly sure of this. I saw your son immediately after this exchange, and upon observing him saw that he was still excited and ready to play. This is an excellent indicator of the fact that while the welps may have looked bad, they were not serious enough to make your son want to stop playing. The referee who escorted him off the field, and player who was following behind them both told me your son was LAUGHING about the incident and having a good time until he got back to you.
The 20 foot rule was explained, twice. It is established that when within this range you MUST offer a surrender to the player you have encountered, and that player MUST decide whether or not he wishes to surrender. If they spin, raise their marker and/or shoot at the challenger, then the challenger is well within their rights to return fire.
Now, to elaborate on the relationship you perceive between the Referees and the Older player; the older player is a sponsored team member, and so has a familiarity with all of the reffing staff. When the incident occurred, the referees immediately told me what happened, then I spoke with the older player, who corroborated the story. I sought further corroboration from other players who witnessed the event, and I was given the same account. You imply some sort of cover-up to exhonorate our field from liability. This is simply not true, and somewhat paranoid. If a sponsored player violated our rules of conduct, ESPECIALLY with a walk on customer, that player would no longer be welcome at our field. Period.
Come out on any given day, you will find we cater primarily to younger and more inexperienced players. Observe our safety compound and you will see the percentage of newer players far outnumbers the experienced ones. And they keep coming back, and their parents continue to bring them to play at our field, and only our field. This is because of 2 things: 1, Our excellent track record of safety, and 2; The fact that they understand that paintball is a game where you can get shot, and receive minor marking or skin breaking as a result. Close range shooting happens, no matter where you play or how many referees you have on the field (even if you had 1 referee with each player following them during the course of play, it would still happen).
Finally, I would like to respond to 2 of your statements. The first being the severity of the wounding your son received. I saw the mark on his arm, and noted there was not any skin stripped off as you described, I did observe a welp with considerable swelling and skin breaking causing a minor "blood sweat" consistent with a close range shot. This is typical and not serious. I do not understand why you feel the need to exaggerate the injury so extremely. As I said previously, your son was ready to go back out. I remember him asking you to stay when you were telling him to pack up his things. Secondly, the statement about losing your eyes; you have to be kidding - no one is allowed on the playing field without eye protection at any time, period. This was the first thing covered - and STRESSED - in your son's safety briefing.
Your remarks are untrue and uncalled for. I strongly suggest that anyone who reads this review disregard it. As you were leaving, the head referee attempted to talk to you and explain the situation (something we attempted repeatedly but you appeared to be throwing a temper tantrum and would not let any of us talk to you for more than 2 seconds before you bit our heads off). As you were leaving the field, the Head Ref attempted to talk to you yet again, but you responded by insulting him and YELLING at him as if he were a child. This individual is an adult, with a family and a veteran who did not deserve your abuse, yet allowed you to vent none the less and throw your tantrum without doing a thing. In the early part of the day, I offered you a field pass so you could play with your son, this would have gotten you on the field with rental equipment and all you would have had to do was buy paint. Instead you refused and, as I saw you throughout the day, seemed to be growing impatient with waiting for your son to finish playing.
Anyone who reads this is encouraged to call us at the shop, 704.784.4365 and we will gladly elaborate - or if you would like to visit us at the field and receive a tour and observe our excellent safety procedures in action - you are MOST welcome! You can get driving directions and more information from our website at http://www.bossproshops.com We have been in operation for almost 10 years, and in that time we have not lost an eye, damaged a face, or had any of the other terrible accidents occur that you hear about happening at amateur, uninsured fields and events.
Thank you.
   

Nymz Thursday, October 21st, 2010 | 10:54 am PST
Dispute:
I was one of the refs on the day you and your son were at the field. I was also the ref that talked to you personally between each game to make sure your child was having a good time. You asked me about the games, the map, the field etc. I asked you numerous times if you would like a ref jersey and a mask so you could come onto the field and watch your son play. You declined each time.

Your son was briefed more than once throughout the day. Once in the safety compound and once at the start of each game as is per the norm for Boss paintball. I personally brief each group before the individual game starts and go over basic and game specific rules.

We never said there is no point blank shooting. We inform players that there is a 20ft "Surrender" rule and if the player does not take the offered surrender there is a chance they will be shot. You were present when this was said.

Also, for the game in question your son was present along with all other players for the before game brief. After the incident you said to me that I should have told you personally what the rules for the game were. Keep in mind the times I asked you to join us on the field so you could take part in this that you declined.

You are also blowing out of proportion the "injury". There was no skin stripped off and the bleeding was a blood blister, or sometimes called a blood sweat. Whelps are normal in paintball. I know his is your child and you want to do everything in your power to protect him but slandering the staff and the field is not the right way to do it.

We DO hold more experienced players liable for their actions because they DO know better. The player in question did offer your son a "surrender" and shot when he turned, raised his gun or however else you would like us to explain it. No one lied to protect a player. Honesty and Integrity is a big part of what we promote at Boss. He was allowed to keep playing because he did not break any rules. You son was smiling and laughing the entire day, even after the incident, until you started yelling at people.

The head ref to the day and I tried to talk to you and all you did was yell and scream. Your remarks about our fields safety are untrue and uncalled for and I welcome anyone to come out and I will give you a mask and a ref jersey so you can walk the field and see for yourself.

You let him play a few games of "Outlaw ball" before he came to a field. At those games there is no safety compound, no refs, no speed checks, no netting, and people lift their masks. These are the games you have to worry about.

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I started off at Boss paintball as a player and have since become a ref. I am there almost every weekend and welcome anyone with questions or concerns to please approach me and talk to me about them. Just ask for Nymz

   

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