help me decide

[Pest13]

as of now ive got a m98 and a bigshot, and for xmas im contemplating which route i should take. first i can upgrade my tippy to be more consistant (ie regulator, anti-siphon tank or possibly nitro). but the thing is, if the upgrades arent going to improve my tippy that much maybe i should just save my money for either a cocker or a palmer houndstooth pump.

so my question is:
will the upgrades i plan on getting (regulator and possibly nitro) be worthwile or is my money better spent elsewhere???

[tippycustom]

get a response trigger and a revvy (thats on my wish list) but it depends what kind of player you are. think before you get o and if you plan on nitro get the
Comp-Air Low Pressure System
retails at$119.00

[paintmepurple]

it really depends on what kind of paintball you wish to play and what kind of a player you are. if you arent very technical and enjoy playing with friends and a simple functional marker go with the tippmann. if you are looking into tournaments and high performance, high maintenent guns with the sky as th limit go with a high end marker(autococker, angel, black dragun, matrix, most electros, and closed blots). however the upgrades on autococker will cost money. hope this helped.
matt

[-=ReD-hAzE=-]

Originally posted by paintmepurple
it really depends on what kind of paintball you wish to play and what kind of a player you are. if you arent very technical and enjoy playing with friends and a simple functional marker go with the tippmann. if you are looking into tournaments and high performance, high maintenent guns with the sky as th limit go with a high end marker(autococker, angel, black dragun, matrix, most electros, and closed blots). however the upgrades on autococker will cost money. hope this helped.
matt

since when was a BD high end..? and most electro's..? Spyders..? high end..? pumps are closed bolt...my talon is closed bolt...:laugh:

let me revise that list a bit... pretty much most markers from...
WGP
WDP
AGD
Bob Long
Diablo(matrix)
ICD
Smart Parts
Tribals

Originally posted by Pest13
as of now ive got a m98 and a bigshot, and for xmas im contemplating which route i should take. first i can upgrade my tippy to be more consistant (ie regulator, anti-siphon tank or possibly nitro). but the thing is, if the upgrades arent going to improve my tippy that much maybe i should just save my money for either a cocker or a palmer houndstooth pump.

so... your looking at about $200... right..?
v/a
palmers
lp kit... thats a little over $200...
and maybe a cheap HPA tank...

[paintmepurple]

well i guess ur the king of the forum then. lol

[Turambar]

None of you answered the question..

Pest, upgrades WILL improve your Tippy, as long as you plan on spending the money to do it. Sure you can go with a cocker or something other that is high end, but yes you can make your Tippy perform much better..it will just take money.

Either way it is worth your while, upgrading the Tippy will just take more money (like I said a few times already).

[tonysk83]

well lets start off with my story last christmas i went downstairs and santa;) left me a tippmann 98c package, later i upgraded it with a full boar rear cocking bolt and a 2x trigger, i also had a remote i loved it but i need to move on so i bought an autococker, it was ok, not what i was excepting for a 350 dollar gun o well, some upgrades will fix that, so i spent roughly 200 bucks on upgrades, i got them working and it was faster with the hinge but after that i dint see much performence upgrades, so i said screw it im selling it, i wasnt sure what i was gunna buy but i new some kinda electro, so i sold it for 400 bucks after putting 600 into it and playign with it a half dozen times, at this point i wish i just kept my tippy and had fun upgrading it, ok so i dont have a gun so im looking at everything from angels to spyders, i really want to buy some computer games and other stuff so i decided to down grade to a blakc dragun basic, so i ordered it with a ss lapco bigshot and a 68 3000 psi fiber wrapped nitro tank, well the first time i took it out to play lets say it was amazing, this 117 dollar gun was preforming like my cocker, so i really dont want to keep selling guns getting a stock gun selling it and getting another stock gun, so im jsut going to keep the dragun and upgrade it, after this xmas its going to look great and be pimpin preformence wise, so after reading this boring story jsut keep your tippy and upgrade, i haev talked to lots of people with highly upgraded blowbacks, they all say the same thing, sure i could of got a "high end gun" but i had tons of fun upgrading and if i could do it again i would:) , also for upgrades im going to say, 2x trigger, rt, revvy, and drop, and if u can spend a little mroe and anti sphion tube for your tank, just my .02 cents

[Cadet2005]

I say stick with the Tippmann for a while...there is one feature I love about the Tippmann: it is versatile. Well, let me rephrase: it meets your desires. You can build her up pretty easily and finding somebody who knows how to fix it in the rare case it malfunctions and you don't know what you're doing is easy as pie (not saying higherend markers are the opposite, just pointing out what I know for a fact about the Tippmann). Finally, it fires clean, dirty, and can take a lot of abuse (don't recommend it, just saying it can)...with college, I don't get to clean her after every game because often I am out the door to do something for class work at the library the next minute so yet she won't get mad or bite or backfire or whatever you want to call it...I equate her to a paintball equivalent of an AK-47: cheap, effective, easy to use, and can fire in any condition...I say keep it until you're a year into the game and you have built up funds for a better marker...it won't fail you and maybe you will prefer it over the other markers (big maybe, I am probably one of the few).

I will sum it all up: keep it for awhile, upgrade it, make it the way you would want it to be...don't rush into another marker until you are sure you have gone to the fullest extreme of your abilities and are sure you can go further.

[Pest13]

thanks a lot for the informative replies guys!!

i think i am going to stick w/ the tippy, im growing quite fond of it.:D

[Turambar]

Originally posted by Pest13
thanks a lot for the informative replies guys!!

i think i am going to stick w/ the tippy, im growing quite fond of it.:D

Glad to hear man :)

[tonysk83]

good idea, so what upgrades u thinking of?

[Pest13]

for now i think im gonna go w/ palmer regulator and an anti-siphon tank, and i need a new mask. then im just gonna go out and play like a mad man and have some fun.

[tonysk83]

sounds good, and you will have a great reg for co2, btu if you want to switch to nitro it will be even better

[littlejerry]

I wouldnt put any more money into the tippy

I put too much money into my begining gun, and i regreted every bit of it when I was counting my penneis to buy a cocker.

High end does not mean high maintnance. Unless you consider oiling a bolt high maintnance.

Face it, tippys are huge guns suitible for woods play large speedball fields. You can put an electro frame on it, a flatline barrel, a revy, a reg, a stock, a nitro tank, a new bolt, a custom paint job, and everything else you can think of, but it will ALWAYS be a sear tripper.

Sell your tippy, buy a used cocker or a BKO or something. You will never look back.

[Pest13]

i dont plan on doing all those upgrades, but for now its gonna be a regulator and a tank.......even if i did save up all my money i wouldnt plan on buying a new gun till almost a year later, and i plan on gettin a palmer typhoon. but until then i think this will last me just fine.

[tonysk83]

Originally posted by littlejerry
but it will ALWAYS be a sear tripper.


boy o boym it will always be a sear tripper till u buy an ebolt kit, the ebolt turns the gun into a TRUE ELECTRO, like a bko or and impulse or ashocker or an angel, so u my freind need to get your facts straight, and i dont see whats wrong with a gun being a sear tripper, cockers are sear trippers jstu to let u no

[2-Cool-4-Life]

Originally posted by littlejerry


Face it, tippys are huge guns suitible for woods play large speedball fields. You can put an electro frame on it, a flatline barrel, a revy, a reg, a stock, a nitro tank, a new bolt, a custom paint job, and everything else you can think of, but it will ALWAYS be a sear tripper.



yep, like tony said, if you get the Ebolt it will convert it into a TRUE electro, such as bushy's, imps, etc. and there are no electro frames for the m98, seeing that it doesnt have a frame to begin with...a tippmann can play with any high ends with the proper upgrades, but then again, its the player, not the marker...

[littlejerry]

and how much will this Ebolt cost? the BKO is going to be cheaper... its a true electro punematic... comes with a inline reg and a LPR, can have a anti chop eye installed, is vert feed, is lighter, more compact, and has an adjustable trigger....

Cockers arnt sear trippers... you pull the trigger and it opens a valve.... on a tippman you pull the trigger and the bolt flies forward, smacks a valve open for a second, flies back and is caught by a spring.

A cocker opens a valve when the trigger is pulled, then air is routed to re cock the gun, then pulling the trigger will again open a valve to release air.

Get YOUR facts straghit...

[2-Cool-4-Life]

uh, if i'm right the sear on a cocker releases the hammer which hits the valve and releases air into the bolt....the tippmann does the same except its a blowback, what the autococker does is the same as a pump, except it autococks...the hammer hits the valve and the rest of the trigger pull reroutes the air in the pneumatics to pump it, and when it pumps back, it pulls the cocking knob, and the hammer and is caught by the sear which holds it till the next time you pull the trigger, so yes, it does trip a sear...

btw, about the bko, thats 270 all at once, say you wanna play, but your still saving for the 270, for 130 you can have a tippmann, and play for awhile, then later you can buy the ebolt kit off ebay for 130...other then having to wait around for another month or so to save up some money (if your a broke *** teen like myself) you might actually be able to play, plus, if u where to get a bko first, you'd have to get a hopper, a nitro tank, etc. if u wanted to play, and i personally am not willing to shell out that much money at one time (once again, i'm a teen with no job...dont ask :) ) but anywho, you can play with your tippy, and get a revvy later, then nitro, then get an ebolt later if you choose, but it all depends on what you want....

[littlejerry]

yes, that does have some merit, but it would still be foolish to buy a $250 kit when an extra 10 dollars will buy you a gun superior in every way. If you want one cheap, go on ebay and buy one for 200 bucks.

Yes, a cocker is a sear tripper, but it doesnt trip the bolt, and is a completely different design. You cant even compare the 2 designs, except for the fact that they re cock and shoot the ball.

Think about it. Why would you spend 130 on a 98, then another $250 on a kit to make it electro punematic? If you want to save cash, why would you flush 120 bucks down the toilet on a gun that still cant compare with a stock BKO? Think about it... with that extra 120 you can buy an electro hopper(isnt needed if you play front) and nitro tank.

For less money oyu get a far superior setup.

Also, im not sure, but wouldnt it cost extra money to have that Ebolt kit installed? Then you still have a side feed(not even a friggen power feed) gun that cycles faster than balls can be reliably fed. You still have an over sized(not to mention ugly) gun.

A nice description of what you need to buy to get what the BKO has for 270

98C-130
Ebolt kit-250
Reg(BKO has an inline AND LPR)50
=430.... which is the better value? Hell, for 20 bucks more you can buy a new 2003 B2k...
-OR=
You could buy a BKO for 270, get nitro(80 bucks for cheap nitro), buy a AK rico hopper(50), and buy a nice drop for your tank(30).

Parts i didnt include in pricing:
USEFUL stock barrel.
NICE bolt
Vert feed
Only weighs 2 pounds
compact as you can get
ability to use all B2k compatible frames(including the Zgrip)

Again, I must ask. Is it a better idea to spend 430 bucks on a gun that still wont outperform(in any way) a BKO at a mere 270 bucks?

[-=ReD-hAzE=-]

i've seen nearly stock tippys outpreform a bko...
$75 for a used tippy
$80 for a palmer
$50 for a revy
$100 for RT...

[littlejerry]

Excuse me for saying that a bunch of crap...

If the player with teh 98 was better than the player with the BKO, sure, happens every day.

Fact remains, BKO is superior in every department.

for your used parts RT, palmer, and tippy, it still comes to 255. Go get a used BKO for 200, or go buy a new one that is for sale on Ebay at 250(Splat attack sells em to promote em at that price). So then 250, five bucks less, still a superior gun.

Lighter
More compact
Better barrel
Vert feed
Higher ROF(debateable possibly)
adjustable trigger

Beter bang for the buck no matter how you look at it.

[Turambar]

Originally posted by littlejerry
I wouldnt put any more money into the tippy

I put too much money into my begining gun, and i regreted every bit of it when I was counting my penneis to buy a cocker.

High end does not mean high maintnance. Unless you consider oiling a bolt high maintnance.

Face it, tippys are huge guns suitible for woods play large speedball fields. You can put an electro frame on it, a flatline barrel, a revy, a reg, a stock, a nitro tank, a new bolt, a custom paint job, and everything else you can think of, but it will ALWAYS be a sear tripper.

Sell your tippy, buy a used cocker or a BKO or something. You will never look back.

*sigh* Looks like I will come and argue with you Tippmann bashers as usual. Then CD will come in and tell us to stop arguing and/or close this thread.

He said he was sticking with the Tippy, LIVE WITH IT. If you don't like the Tippy, then please..just don't post in this forum. We all love our Tippy's, even people who have sold theirs love them. I don't see why people have the need to come in here and incessantly flame Tippmann, because that is what you are doing.

What exactly is wrong with a "sear tripper?" Hmm? So it won't fire as fast as you want it to, so it's a blow back, so it doesn't have powerfeed...GET OVER IT.

And uh..you know, my Tippy can and will out perform your $270 BKO. Why? Because you don't have a tank in that price buddy. Even if you did have a tank on there, you automatically assume it can't keep up with your BKO. Have we forgotten that one simple fact... the marker doesn't make the player, the player makes the player.

Also..don't bring looks into this, because the BKO is so lame looking it isn't even funny. Plus..looks have nothing to do with performance. You like yours, we like ours, so like I said before..GET OVER IT.

****EDIT**** How well does the BKO perform on Co2? If it doesn't do too well on Co2..then you need to factor in the at least $80 HPA tank. We love our Tippy's, so stop arguing already.

[littlejerry]

If you took the time to read the price comparison, i included EVERYTHIGN you needed to play on the BKO....

He said he might upgrade to another marker, or he might stay with the tippy. Sticking with the tippy is fine, but I wouldnt recomend shoveling more cash into it. Its pointless realy.

A nice description of what you need to buy to get what the BKO has for 270

98C-130
Ebolt kit-250
Reg(BKO has an inline AND LPR)50
=430.... which is the better value? Hell, for 20 bucks more you can buy a new 2003 B2k...
-OR=
You could buy a BKO for 270, get nitro(80 bucks for cheap nitro), buy a AK rico hopper(50), and buy a nice drop for your tank(30).


as you can see, BKO with nitro, drop, hoses, and electro hopper costs the same as a 98 with reg and E bolt(no hopper, no tank of any kind)

[Turambar]

But he also said he wouldn't be upgrading to a new marker in over a year. And it was going to be a Blazer Typhoon.

Oh well, either way I don't see the point of needing an ebolt. But then again it's all preference. Some people like pimping out their "low end" markers and schooling the guys with "high end" markers. Then, some people like to go straight to the already upgraded markers and not have as much fun customizing them. It's all preference.

[littlejerry]

some people also enjoy buying a high end marker and upgrading it.... cockers for example.... stock impys.... bushmasters....

Hell, anything can be upgraded....


He mentioned that he wanted a cocker, so I sudgest getting one if thats what he wants. check out the trading forums here, you can find awsome deals