how to snipe

[lemonhead]

what is the best way to snipe in A INDOOR FIELD

[AllOleander]

Sorry, there is no sniping in paintball.

[pr0kch0p]

oh no!

say it isnt so! say it isnt so!

*plugs ears and cries*

[Xpert Rifleman]

This aint the Marines boy, this is a game.....

[fate tempter]

i can see it now- a tipp 98 w/ flatline and a $200 scope on it. guy sittin in the weeds waiting for guys to cross an opening 100 yards away.

[AllOleander]

lol

Sorry we're being jack@$$s lemonhead, but sniping just does not exist in paintball. The technology is not there yet.

So if you want sniping, maybe you should try airsoft. or get used to paintball, be a front player that moves alot, and get into the game so you can have some real fun and excitement!!

[jfoust]

in paintball u cant be a sniper, not accurate enough, but u can use the element of surprise to get ur man but it would still have to be close quarters

[Thor the Mighty]

that is true, in rec, i usually plant myself on a well used path, and wait until the other team arives, then i ambush, and move up! it is the best strat i have ever used for rec ball

[cranberynvodka]

hhahahahahahaha stupid camper u like those newbs that just stay exactly where they start and ur like those people who just chill in all the way in the back protecting flag hahahahha

[ry_goody]

Theres sniping.... but if it weren't paintball youw would refer to it as aiming :)

[blake_sw]

I BUNKER SNIPERS!!!

[VeNoM]

sniping is not only takin long shots, i consider my brother a "sniper" because of the fact that you can go a whole game and never see him then get shot only to realize he crawled right up to you with out you even knowing! (i'm talkin like 20 feet away from you and you dont even notice) we were at my local outdoor field playing with the owner (its his property so hes knows ALL the spots and stuff) well they were gaurding a flag station at the top of this hill, my brother crawled on his stomache all the way up the hill in front of them and they didnt even see him until he got the first guy out. its not sniping but is as close as it gets in paintball.

[FireViper]

snipers usually don't go to bunkers they prefer something more concealing than a piece of wood that is pink from paint and there are snipers; snipers by definition shoot targets from a concealed area you're confusing a sharpshooter(or marksman) with a sniper.

[MasterofBush]

I considered myself a sniper when i first started out because I was too scared to get in the action. Im guessin thats how a lot of "snipers" are.

[FireViper]

Real snipers(I am be no means one of them no patience) aren't just newbies who stay in one spot. a true sniper is moving until he gets a perfect shot. they do it because it a greater challenge than just running into a field, gun blazing at 9(or more) a sec. They prefer accuracy over quantity

[Blaster CA]

'Sniping' can be fun & effective. You just gotta have some skill. An unskilled 'sniper' won't be very effective & won't have much fun. Same thing for any unskilled player.

First people hafta realize what a paintball 'sniper' is (an aggressive player usin stealth & accuracy over firepower). Then what a 'sniper' is not (newbie or unskilled players hiding &/or lobbing paint). 'Sniper' doesn't mean defender. Stealthy doesn't mean slow or sit & hide.

It's a misconception that newbies & unskilled players that lob paint & hide are 'snipers'. Playin smart is a big part of being a good player ('sniper' or not).

Another misconception is that 'sniping' is passive. I'm very aggressive in my play. I'm always movin towards the other team. Always probing for a soft spot or blind spot in the line or defense. When there's a push for the flag, I join in. When my team is bein pushed back, I can usually backdoor the other team. Sometimes I can even steal the opponents the flag. I'm usually in the other teams half of the field. I'm always ahead of my team on the enemies flank. Workin my way into position to tag people from outta nowhere. If I'm not gettin my butt into position, I'm not helping my team!

DO NOT long ball. Other players shouldn't lob paint either. 'Snipers' don't need to long-ball if they can get into effective range without bein seen. And they shouldn't long-ball if they're not in effective range because it'll give away their position. Good players ('sniper' or not) get into effective range before firin.

The differences between a 'sniper' & frontline player is the way they get into a firing position & what they do once they get there. In general, frontline players go from point A to point B as fast as possible. No stealth involved. 'Snipers' use stealth to get into a good position. From there, a 'sniper' fires a minimum amount of paint in order to stay undetected as long as possible. They also, if they're smart, wait for an opportune moment to fire (unlike a frontline player who usually fires as much as possible). Good 'snipers' get as close as possible before shootin.

'Snipers' hafta be aggressive to get into effective range. Too cautious & they wind up lobbing paint. Too slow & they wind 'late to the party'. Lobbing paint & bein 'late' are not effective styles of play for any player. Finding the right balance between movin fast & moving quietly takes practice. You can get the job done once you get the balance right.

Every field I've played at has had a time limit of 20 mins or less. I'm still very effective despite the time limit. Timed games affect 'snipers' the same way it does everyone. Short games mean you have to take more chances. Longer games mean you have more time to work your plan. A 10 minute game is a bigger challenge for every player than a 20 minute game is.

It's really challenging to go off by yourself TOWARDS the other team. Getting into a good position without being seen takes a lot of skill. Bein able to eliminate people & they never know where or who it came from is a lot of fun.

But, just because I'm a 'sniper', that doesn't mean I'm not workin with my teammates to get the flag. My friends know what I'm doin & they'll let the rest of our team know what's what. I'm not out just to get my 'kills'. I'm tryin to eliminate opponents in order to help my team get the flag. I'm also tryin to confuse, frustrate & distract the other team (for the same reason).

Most people focus on what's in front of them. The most immediate threat. A good 'sniper' only needs the normal amount of distraction/lack of focus that a bunch of opponents in front of the other team, shootin 'em up, provides. It's very common to develop tunnel vision in the midst of a big shootout. If my team is in front of them, shooting it out, that's all I should need. The rest is up to me.

Staying hidden is a lot easier than people think. Usin paint with a dark colored shell helps to keep people from tracking your shot back to you. (There used to be paint that was half olive drab, half medium brown. I had a hard time tracking those balls in flight & I knew where they were goin!) Also, factor in the limits goggles put on peripheral vision to tracking a paintball in flight, from a direction you don't expect & when you don't expect someone to be in that part of the field & you have several dozen balls a second comin at you from a different direction (the rest of the 'snipers' team) & it's pretty tough to see it comin. The noise of dozens of paintguns firing & dozens of paintballs 'splatting' every second make it almost imposssible to hear where a single shot came from.

When you do start tagging people, many times the other team assumes that their teammates were taken out by the people in front of them. It's a lot harder to determine, in the middle of a big firefight, where a shot came from than people believe. If the other team does realize they were 'sniped', they still have to spot you. That gives you another opportunity to tag a few more. Even if they spot you, you should have taken out at least one of them. If they don't spot you, you have the chance to take out more & more (dependin on how long you go unnoticed).

Sooner or later, they will detect you. (That's almost for sure.) Then you either can slug it out, fade away or lead any pursuers on a wild goose chase (as the situation dictates). When I stay put, it's rock-n-roll time. I'm not afraid to mix it up. I just prefer 'sniping' because it's a hard fight when I'm all by myself.

I know I don't use classic military sniper tactics. I don't use stylized sniper tactics you'd see in movies either. I use paintball 'sniper' tactics! People that know (or have seen) my style of play, almost to a man, call me a 'sniper'. Stealth, accuracy, surprise, a minimum amount of paint, flanking/backdooring the other team & doin it all alone...that's a paintball 'sniper'.

[AllOleander]

ok...i dind't read that big long post of bullsh|t, but i can say this.


Technology isn't advanced enough to have snipers in paintball
Paintball usually (enless its a scenerio game) doesn't have any concealed areas for snipers to go, so i don't consider players that craw on the ground, snipers
Scopes don't do jack for paintball..one of the most popular thoughts of "sniper"
if you wanna snipe, try AirSoft!


Don't go flame me for that last bullet .. I'm all for paintball. They are two way different games and you can't compare them much.

[Thor the Mighty]

im not a friggin camper! i move to teh back, and move through the middle right back to our flag station, then i take right tape, then left, and if necessary, do the whole thing again

[blake_sw]

I'd like to someone try to crawl on their belly and snipe my team next time we're playing Air Ball or speedball. I've lost interest in Woods, all about Air bunkers now.

[AllOleander]

Originally posted by blake_sw
I'd like to someone try to crawl on their belly and snipe my team next time we're playing Air Ball or speedball. I've lost interest in Woods, all about Air bunkers now.

I think they are referring to 'sniper' as in woods or scenario games..

haha i'd like to see a sniper in speedball or airball..haha

if you wanna be a true sniper..then you'll take off your hopper and elbow and shoot one shot at a time, and reload :D

[Blaster CA]

<<ok...i dind't read that big long post of bullsh|t, but i can say this.>>

It's really stupid to say it's BS when you haven't even read it. How sad for you to be so close-minded. You might've learned something. Knowledge is power.

By the way, my big long post of BS addressed a lot of the points you made against 'snipers' in paintball.

<<if you wanna be a true sniper..then you'll take off your hopper and elbow and shoot one shot at a time, and reload>>

Why would that be a 'true' sniper? Real snipers don't take the clip off of their gun or keep only one bullet in the magaizine. Why should a paintball 'sniper' limit themsleves like that then?

[fader1572]

Sniping does not and WILL NEVER exist in paintball.

Reason being, is paintball can neither defy the laws of physics, nor the laws of the government with regards to gun control. Simply speaking, unless you can fire a paintball faster than 300 fps (100 m/s), much MUCH faster, you'll never be able to snipe. Anyone who took high school physics would know that a paintball will fall at a rate of 10 m/s (uh... 30 fps). Since paintballs fire so slowly, 250-300 fps, they will ALWAYS ark downwards at short distance. I'll do a quick calculation and come up with a more precise figure, but i think at 30 metres (90-100 feet), you're ball will have already dropped 3-4 metres or 12-15 feet, and thus you will never be able to "snipe" for real in paintball... you're gun would have to shoot faster than 500 fps or 150 m/s, which is half the speed of sound, and fast enough that you'd probably be in alot of pain if hit (not to mention fast enough for the government to put in restrictions making paintball guns licensed weapons... in Canada at least).

[fader1572]

Oh yeah, as opposed to sniping, you can do what i call "marksman style cover fire" in which you take careful aim at medium distances, 40-50 feet, stand completly motionless, and keep the other guys' heads down.

That's what i do, since i'm a crappy front line player. Although to do so in the arena i go to, you do have to move up halfway up the field, so there's some fun in that. Plus, the guy's with autocockers usually run up behind the guys i keep down and annihlate them.

[Ded]

anyone who says there are no snipers in paintball are stupid. there are snipers in paintball but they just follow rules on a more close combat type of mindset, like ambushes on paths or flanking and then picking off two or three people with a couple of quick bursts when they don't even know you're there. Sorry Blaster, I didn't read your big long post either because I am tired and lazy but I'm sure it wasn't BS and I'll probably get around to reading it later.

[fader1572]

i don't read long threads either (get the gists of them at least) but i mean sniper in the actual military sense.

Snipers are highly trained grunts who spend 4-5 years in training just to snipe. To be a sniper, you have to be as good, if not better, than you're average grunt in terms of basic military abilities, but also be able to:

1. Stay perfectly motionless for days at a time
2. Have reflexes like a hyperactive cat on crack
3. Be smart enough to know what the enemy's thinking and where they'll be
4. Service one hell of a weapon... sniper rifles btw fire alot faster than the speed of sound and are also a lot heavier and more cumbersome than you're average automatic rifle.
5. Have 21/20 vision

There are other classifications too; Marksman is a common one for grunts who have above average accuracy, but not superior accuracy. My friend got that title, since he hit 57/60 rounds at 100 metres within a 20 cm radius with a C7.

In paintball, I think the only way you can "snipe" is to have incredibly good aim

[Xander]

There actually is some sniping, sniping in paintball is more like hiding in the bushes and waiting for the enemies to advance. So to clear it up there is short range "sniping", but technology is not there yet to have long range sniping.

[blake_sw]

Originally posted by Xander
sniping in paintball is more like hiding in the bushes and waiting for the enemies to advance.

AKA "Camping". I can't stand Newbies who stay right at their base and "wait" for people.

[fader1572]

ironically enough, camping is also called "defense" irl, strong defenders generally piss off strong attackers... i mean kill them.

[Ded]

i hate defenders. I want to find out a way i can avoid walking into ambushes by a single guy that's in all camo and tucked behind a tree just waiting for you. I have horrible patience so i can't camp or snipe and i always rush straight into action but if there is a new guy playing i send him ahead of me. It's always nice to have a shield

[lemonhead]

GUYS WHEN I WROTE THIS QUESTION WHAT I MEANT WAS HOW TO HIT AN OPPONENT MABYE IN A FOREST OR SOMETHING YOU IDIOTS(EXCEPT FOR SOME) SHOULD OF TOLD ME IF I MABEY SHOULD OF GET A NEW BARREL GUN CAMO WHATEVER JUST TELL NOW

[Ded]

hmm.. i believe i'm not going to tell, don't take that tone with me young man, you could have asked politely

[fader1572]

amen to that;

you asked about SNIPING, AKA how to SNIPE, or pick off people at a long distance. I think the best way to snipe is to be smart and play on you're enemies weaknesses. The best gun in the world won't help you if you're stupid and decide to run out where everyone can see you and has a perfect shot on you.

[AllOleander]

Originally posted by Blaster CA
<<ok...i dind't read that big long post of bullsh|t, but i can say this.>>

It's really stupid to say it's BS when you haven't even read it. How sad for you to be so close-minded. You might've learned something. Knowledge is power.

By the way, my big long post of BS addressed a lot of the points you made against 'snipers' in paintball.

<<if you wanna be a true sniper..then you'll take off your hopper and elbow and shoot one shot at a time, and reload>>

Why would that be a 'true' sniper? Real snipers don't take the clip off of their gun or keep only one bullet in the magaizine. Why should a paintball 'sniper' limit themsleves like that then?



OK first dude..take a deep breath..let it out slowly..cause you need to CALM THE FUC.K DOWN!!

Second..i meant "im not gonna read that post of total **** cuase im lazy and tired".not bull****..i know ur right..if i dind't read it all i duno if its true or not..but i do no its a lot of characters for one post..so its **** to me..so im not gonna read it cause im tired...

2nd of all......most sniper rifles are bolt action...so you need cock it and releease the bullet into the chamber...taking off the hopper and elbow and puttin one ball in at a time after you shoot is as close to this as it comes

and i agree w/ whoever was talking about physics..thats right...man that post got me up..now that is a post w/ 0% bull****.

and whoever said that sniping is a real thing in paintball but its modified for the sport..that its not true sniping..but u do ly on the ground and crawl around....if it snot sniping like in the military..then its not sniping..u can call it something else that is similar to sniping..how bout..long range? how bout aiming your gun in the air at a 45* angel so the balls go up and drop to get more distance...

lol paintballs simply dont go fast enough to snipe!! period..so close the thread

damm i wish i was moderantor..thatd be so cool..make a bad@ss point like i just did then close the thread so no one can reply..so u look all pimp..sweeet! can i be moderator?

[Blaster CA]

I guess for you, ignorance is bliss.

[Xander]

damnit i hate phrases like that I never get them!!!! :( please do not make fun of my stupidity.

[AllOleander]

Originally posted by Xander
damnit i hate phrases like that I never get them!!!! :( please do not make fun of my stupidity.

Hey don't worry man, cuase that little phrase had nothing to do w/ what i say..so your not the stupid one..this kid is:

Originally posted by Blaster CA
I guess for you, ignorance is bliss.

How was i being ignorant?!? damm..and that big frickin smilie face as your avatar does not fit your personality, on the forums atleast.

[Blaster CA]

Ignorant; Lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified. UNAWARE, UNINFORMED.

You simply don't know & worse, have chosen not to open your mind about what a paintball 'sniper' is.

Also, I don't need to calm down. I haven't gotten up in arms about anythin that's been said. I think you're projecting your own hostility onto me.

Oh yeah, that big frickin smilie face is perfect for me. If you knew how much 'there's no snipers in paintball' amuses me, you'd understand. If you could see the look on my face when I'm postin & replyin you'd know it's all good. In fact, that avatar was sent to me by a friend, sayin that it's fits me perfectly.

When I have the time, I'll break my long post up into little bits that you can handle & use them to reply to your points on an individual basis. Not that it'll matter. I think you'll still resist, deflect, deny, ignore, etc., most, if not all the counterpoints I make.

[Blaster CA]

Oh yeah, I'm not a kid either. I've been playin paintball since '87.

How long have you been playin? That's probably why you don't understand what I'm talkin about. Most old school paintballers know the value of stealth & accuracy. The 'semi-auto' generation of paintballers have a hard time seeing the game as anythin more than 'firepower'.

[FireViper]

Ok here it is from two dictionaries:
*snip·er (plural snip·ers) noun
hidden shooter: somebody who shoots at people from a concealed position*(from MSN Online Dictionary)
*Main Entry: snipe
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): sniped; snip·ing
Date: 1832
1 : to shoot at exposed individuals (as of an enemy's forces) from a usually concealed point of vantage
2 : to aim a carping or snide attack
- snip·er noun*(from Merriam-Webster Dictionary)

doesn't say anythin about distance sniping is about concealment; there have been snipers since before there were guns technology has added the bonus of distance saying sniping is just about distance is like saying batting is just about homeruns it's just not true sure they make it better but there's more to it. I wasn't lucky enough to play back in the day when stealth and accuracy was key in paintball; I know sniping is pretty useless out of scenarios/big games/outlaw but it's still there



[Edited by FireViper on 06-30-2001 at 10:41 PM]

[AllOleander]

lol this is ridicous.....u all can go "snipe" if you want..have fun crawling in the bushes

[insaneone]

AllOleander:
if you dont even take the time to read his post then how the **** can you argue? the points he made actually made sense are are quite direct and to the point. Sniping is a skill and has nothing to do about distance and "long balling". i think you should re-evaluate your opinion.

[AllOleander]

i wasn't arguing about his long post, i was disagreeing w/ him on his other staemenets that i did read..

and in paintball, there are no concealed areas..and in the definiition of a sniper it has to be from a ceoncealed area..sure you can 'modify' this definitioon all you want to make it fit paintball, but it truely isn't sniping. maybe in a scenario game, but still.

if you guys are so obsessed w/ sniping, then why do you play paintball? why not play airsoft, there is a lot more sniping in that .. anyway USUALLY paintball does not have snipers..maybe you guys just mean marksman, or someone who has good aim but is far away..cause in a middle of a game and i see someone in camo crouched down in the woods, i woud call out to my team SNIPER!! but i wouldnt' mean sniper..by that they would think someone that is hidden and is far away, which gets the point and the opponets position perfect..but technically, there are no snipers in paintball.

and if you want to flame/argue w/ me, you will have to wait till july 6th..i wont be back till then.

so dont show stupidity and make fun of me while i cant even counter-act it..so wait 5-6 days.

[FireViper]

I agree that in speedball there is no sniping but that doesn't mean that there are no paintball snipers. speedball is a type of paintball it is not the be all end all of paintball. I know you may not see this until you return but rest assured I'll not resort to being childish by making fun of someone or insulting them behind their back

[Blaster CA]

<<and in paintball, there are no concealed areas...>>

You can't be serious!?!?!? What, do you play in an open field? No cover? No bunkers? No bushes, trees, oil drums, etc.?

<<if you guys are so obsessed w/ sniping, then why do you play paintball? why not play airsoft,...>>>>

'Cause paintball is fun & airsoft sucks.

<<in a middle of a game and i see someone in camo crouched down in the woods, i woud call out to my team SNIPER!! but i wouldnt' mean sniper..by that they would think someone that is hidden and is far away...>>

OK, so you'd call out "sniper" even though you think your teammates would misunderstand what you mean by sniper? That makes no sense. Then what else would you yell? Bushwhacker, ambusher, infiltrator, sharpshooter? No, 'sniper' would get the point across better than anything. Your main problem is that you don't understand or comprehend what a paintball 'sniper' is. 'Sniper' is the best way to describe players that rely on stealth & accuracy. You just won't accept what a paintball 'sniper' is.

<<and if you want to flame/argue w/ me, you will have to wait till july 6th..i wont be back till then.

so dont show stupidity and make fun of me while i cant even counter-act it..so wait 5-6 days.>>

I don't hafta wait for anythin. There's plenty of other people that have things to say on the subject. This discussion isn't all about you. Besides, there'd be no need to argue if you woulda read my long post. I covered most of your arguments in that post but you prefer to remain ingnorant on the subject.

[Xander]

The massive flaming from the newbie is scaring me better not reply to this thread ;).

[Incube]

I belive keeping quite and shoting a guy with out him noticing you is a snipe other than that snipeing dose not exist!

[Xander]

It is pretty fun to sneack up on people and shoot them! Especially when after they get shot they don't know who hit them or where he is(I did that to my friend I came up behind My friend and nailed him from about 100 ft he was croched over and he told me later that he got hit in the skin because he was bending over and there was a crack between his shirt and his pants of bare skin:D)

[Richy_C]

Ok y'all time for Richy C to lay down the truth. There are no true snipers, beacause you can't use bullets, but you can have concealed fire power. That way you can see and shoot but now be seen, or thus shot. And a real concealed player will have only the best equipment, non of those flatlines "sniper guns" crap. A real low volume player will use an ematrix with a 16 inch freak barrel(16 inches for reduced sound signature, not for more accuracy) or prehaps a boom stick, again 16 inches. also, their airsystem will be secound to non, such as a macdev conquest and a macdev gladiato reg. of course for concealment, a ghillie suit would be nessasary. And several other items and this concealed fire power player will be able to take out more than often many other players.

[Novan_Leon]

hey guys, go to your bookshelf or whatever and pick up a dictionary. THAT is what sniping is, ok? so according to the dictionary, sniping is possible in paintball. Just not the way most of us are thinking of.

[Ded]

[/B][/QUOTE]


OK first dude..take a deep breath..let it out slowly..cause you need to CALM THE FUC.K DOWN!!

Second..i meant "im not gonna read that post of total **** cuase im lazy and tired".not bull****..i know ur right..if i dind't read it all i duno if its true or not..but i do no its a lot of characters for one post..so its **** to me..so im not gonna read it cause im tired...

2nd of all......most sniper rifles are bolt action...so you need cock it and releease the bullet into the chamber...taking off the hopper and elbow and puttin one ball in at a time after you shoot is as close to this as it comes

and i agree w/ whoever was talking about physics..thats right...man that post got me up..now that is a post w/ 0% bull****.

and whoever said that sniping is a real thing in paintball but its modified for the sport..that its not true sniping..but u do ly on the ground and crawl around....if it snot sniping like in the military..then its not sniping..u can call it something else that is similar to sniping..how bout..long range? how bout aiming your gun in the air at a 45* angel so the balls go up and drop to get more distance...

lol paintballs simply dont go fast enough to snipe!! period..so close the thread

damm i wish i was moderantor..thatd be so cool..make a bad@ss point like i just did then close the thread so no one can reply..so u look all pimp..sweeet! can i be moderator? [/B][/QUOTE]

ok...i dind't read that big long post of bullsh|t, but i can say this you sir are an a$$hole.

[FireViper]

I still don't understand why people keep mentioning distance and sniping; sniping isn't shooting from a long distance; it is shooting from a concealed position (as I stated in previous posts; distance shooting is sharpshooting(as in sharp shooters); sniping can be accomplished with any instrument that expels a projectile(blow gun, bow, etc). It has also been said that if its not like military sniping it's not true sniping; the difference between a military sniper and a paintball sniper is that military snipers are trained to be stealthy and accurate(and are better at it)and have better range(benefit of technology); most paintball snipers have to learn it on their own. And you can't call it something else least of all long distance because as you all have pointed out paintball markers cannot achieve it (within allowed speeds). I know a man who crawls in the bushes (in a scenario game) until he is camped behind the enemy base and waits for the perfect shot; to say this man is a newbie is not only ludicrous but completely ignorant he's been playing since paintball was only on wooded fields; sure he enjoys speedball and he enjoys sniping; he knows the difference and he plays accordingly. Just because it would be hard(or near impossible) to snipe in speedball doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in the other types of paintball.

Sniping does exist in paintball and it is true to the definition of sniping, deal with it.

[PartsMart]

Sniping is usless and I waste of your time, and you are not being a true teamate helping your team. You a pretty much by urself and rarely help your team in covering flanks and things. Sniping is usless, period.

[Richy_C]

Say your on a wooded field, and your in a 1-1 as in the rest of the skirmish is elswhere. THis 1-1 is a stale mate. (puff- puff puff), suddenly, your opponentis gone, and who do you have to thank, a concealed fire power.

[Blaster CA]

<<Sniping is usless and I waste of your time, and you are not being a true teamate helping your team. You a pretty much by urself and rarely help your team in covering flanks and things. Sniping is usless, period.>>

(A small chunk of my long post.)
"Another misconception is that 'sniping' is passive. I'm very aggressive in my play. I'm always movin towards the other team. Always probing for a soft spot or blind spot in the line or defense. When there's a push for the flag, I join in. When my team is bein pushed back, I can usually backdoor the other team. Sometimes I can even steal the opponents the flag. I'm usually in the other teams half of the field. I'm always ahead of my team on the enemies flank. Workin my way into position to tag people from outta nowhere. If I'm not gettin my butt into position, I'm not helping my team!"

[AllOleander]

Alright, im sick of being flamed for just simply stating my opinions........

im sick of it, so go here and vote (http://64.4.22.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=9dabef261665f824190ae97fe2da1e21&lat=994308441&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2epbreview%2ecom%2ffo rums%2fshowthread%2ephp%3fthreadid%3d10591) on whether sniping really exists..

might settle this, but 3 pages is long enough

[Edited by AllOleander on 07-05-2001 at 01:18 AM]

[Blaster CA]

Maybe you should take the time to make an informed opinion. Most of the points you've made against 'snipers' have been detailed. To ignore what others have written about 'snipers' & tell us we're wrong is the height of stupidity. Not to mention rude. That's the only prob I have with you.

[AllOleander]

NO .. i have not made fun of any of your opinions! and my points are in MY OPINION..so a lot of them DO NOT have any proof..its just my own feeling about it

my only problem w/ you is you think you know everything and that stupid smilie avatar that smiles at me when i want to punch you in the face

[Landon]

Buy an autococker or matrix and you will be sniping in no time!

[Blaster CA]

<<...and that stupid smilie avatar that smiles at me when i want to punch you in the face>>

(In your own words) OK first dude..take a deep breath..let it out slowly..cause you need to CALM THE FUC.K DOWN!!

<<my only problem w/ you is you think you know everything...>>

I'm confident I know more about 'sniping' than most. But I don't think I know everythin. Havin 14 years of paintball experience means I have a lot to say. I don't pretend to know everything though.

<<NO .. i have not made fun of any of your opinions!>>

Can you read? I didn't say you made fun of anyones opinions. I said you haven't taken the time to read everyones opinions. All I'm sayin is you probably shouldn't be tellin us we're wrong if you don't/won't/can't take the time to try and keep up with the 'pro sniper' side of the discussion. Like I said before, I dealt with a lot of your points against 'snipers' in that long post of mine. But you didn't read it! What's more, you still tell me I'm wrong about 'snipers' even though you choose to remain ingnorant of my view on paintball 'snipers!!!

Simply statin your opinion is all fine & good. Tellin people they're wrong when you don't have the decency to read their opinions is just plain dumb, & rude, & childish.

Oh yeah, your 'vote' link didn't work...

[AllOleander]

yes i know the link doens't work, but you can just find it in general discussions forum

i read all posts but 1 long one, and i DID go back and read it later..and i did not talk about the big long post until i had read it all..

and just caue i want to hit you doens't mean im all pissed..it just means...i dont like you, i would fight you if i got the chance..thats it .. not that i would shoot you w/ all 12 shots of a beretta into your spine, reload, and do it all again :D just that..i dont like you. sorry

[Blaster CA]

<<and just caue i want to hit you doens't mean im all pissed..it just means...i dont like you, i would fight you if i got the chance..thats it .. not that i would shoot you w/ all 12 shots of a beretta into your spine, reload, and do it all again just that..i dont like you. sorry>>

Are you really that insecure that you'd hate someone just from a message board discussion? That you'd insinuate threats of violence? That says a lot about your quality of character. Whatever. That's your mental trauma.

You got your butt kicked here. And with this last post of yours, it's paintfully obvious that you know you got thrashed & can't handle it. & to think, a while back I thought there was a chance we coulda had a productive discussion bout 'snipers'. You turned out to be a whiny little person that can dish it out but not take it. That's why you bailed here & started a new thread isn't it?

[AllOleander]

i dind't start a new thread you idiot, i started a poll..yes thats right. i dind't hit the "new thread" button..i hit the "new poll" button..retard

and no im not violent but your just so friggin annoying..just let it go..christ

[Blaster CA]

There's a thread there right? What, are you so stupid that you thought people would listen to you & just vote without commenting?

[AllOleander]

ok you know what? your retarted..

i wanted to make a friggin poll! okay? in order to do that, i needed to make a new thread! its not like i could add a poll onto this one..i would if i could..but you have to make a new thread idiot!!

and now youre an @sshole in both threads!

[Blaster CA]

<<i dind't start a new thread you idiot,...>>
<<i wanted to make a friggin poll! okay? in order to do that, i needed to make a new thread! its not like i could add a poll onto this one...>>

First you say you didn't start a new thread? Now you say you did (after I pointed out that you did, no less...)? OK, so who's retarded?

[AllOleander]

ok now your even more stupid

i said i dind't start a new thread......i started a new poll which makes a new thread for you

then i said yah i did start one because i dind't know u were gonna be so annoying and technical..YES to start a poll you have to start a new thread...so TECHNICALLY i did.....but i din'dt hit the button that says START A NEW THREAD

just stfu......christ your a b|tch

[Blaster CA]

I notice you haven't argued any of the points in favor of 'snipers' in a long time. That's a sure sign of surrender. All you do lately is complain, whine & call me names. Is that all you've got? If not, then step up & discuss the issue like an intelligent human being. If you can't, then you should probably just leave quietly.

[UTLadiesMan]

Wow Blaster, 39 posts and only 12 threads. 7 of those threads contain a variation of the word 'snipe' in the title. One track mind...

I don't mind, it's cool to post your opinions, but do you have any others?

[AllOleander]

yah i know, he wont listen to any other points..he just makes fun of ppl who sasy in their opinion there are no snipers in paintball

and blaster, i have stopped posting in this thread becaue im paying more attention to the thread i started, w/ the poretty poll on it. cause i like to see the votes

and i will discuss it w/ you in the other thread, but dont u think this one is long enough?

i just call you names caues your so stubborn and so frusterating to debate w/..you haven't once said good point, or i see what your saying..you are just stubborn and say no your wrong im right..its frusterating so thats why i call you names cuaes it gets me all up tight and frusterated

[AllOleander]

oh yah and blaster, im not surrendering..because its my opinion...and it probably wont change (until technology changes :D) but~!!! i am not stubborn so maybe you can change it..we'll see

o and btw ladies man, that is a very interesting fact! haha

[Blaster CA]

Originally posted by UTLadiesMan
Wow Blaster, 39 posts and only 12 threads. 7 of those threads contain a variation of the word 'snipe' in the title. One track mind...

I don't mind, it's cool to post your opinions, but do you have any others?

Yeah, I have other opinions. They're pretty much inline with everyone elses though. So if it's already 'been there done that', I don't see the point of postin about it. Not often anyway. Paintball 'snipers' is a subject that I like to post about. So I do, often & many times at length. That's life.

& about the way I quote; I got into the habit of quotin like that on another message board 'cause the way they had quotes set up was confusin. Old habits die hard. It's a free country. I'll post the way I want, post what I want, on the subjects I care about & people are free to read my posts or not as they see fit. It's not up to me who reads my stuff & who doesn't.

[AllOleander]

see!! now you stop posting about paintball snipers..do I say o you but be giving in? NO i let it go.

Follow the example of the wise :)

and i don't care how you quote..i think its kinda smarter cause im sure it doesn't take as long as hitting the quote button on several differnet posts if you want to multiquote.