Dye Ultralite vs All American 2002 [Archive]

Live4Ever

12-02-2002, 07:03 PM

Okay I've come to a final decision on the bore sizes and all that stuff, I just have one final decision. I need somebody that has used both the Dye Ultralite and the Smart Parts All American 2002 and I need to know which barrel is really better. Please don't just say, "DYE OWNS YOU!!!" or anything like that, I would like an explanation on why whichever barrel is better. Thanks!

Tboneman356

12-02-2002, 08:03 PM

:sleep: Get a Bloody AA 14 "

Live4Ever

12-02-2002, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by Live4Ever
Please don't just say, "DYE OWNS YOU!!!" or anything like that, I would like an explanation on why whichever barrel is better. Thanks!

bobalis

12-03-2002, 12:27 PM

They both are very similar in performance and price and weight so it is a close call. But i would still go with the Ultralight. I think it performs a little better than the AA. I love the Ultralight, so get it.

Live4Ever

12-03-2002, 02:11 PM

I think I'm gonna get the All American, it looks alot cooler and the .689 bore of it fits the paint I use perfectly...

*Team 5 StaR*

12-03-2002, 02:27 PM

Go with the All America because its 2 peice and you can buy different fronts and back.The Ultralight you cant.Unless you buy another barrel.The porting is relly good on the AA.I bought mine at PBGEAR really cheap;)

Live4Ever

12-03-2002, 05:43 PM

cocker kid 2k2

12-03-2002, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by *Team 5 StaR*
Go with the All America because its 2 peice and you can buy different fronts and back.The Ultralight you cant.Unless you buy another barrel.The porting is relly good on the AA.I bought mine at PBGEAR really cheap;)

Wrong. The new ultralites are screw apart, so you can get new backs/fronts for them(when they start selling them in 03). I'v owned the all american and used the ultralite on several occasions. The ultralite has much better quality than the all american, its honed much better and shoots more accuratly. Ultralite is my favorite barrel on the market , so i recomend it to you.

Live4Ever

12-03-2002, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by cocker kid 2k2

Wrong. The new ultralites are screw apart, so you can get new backs/fronts for them(when they start selling them in 03). I'v owned the all american and used the ultralite on several occasions. The ultralite has much better quality than the all american, its honed much better and shoots more accuratly. Ultralite is my favorite barrel on the market , so i recomend it to you.

They got the same score in the review section, the AA looks better, is cheaper, and is a bigger bore (which I need, I have to use my field's paint), so I'm still leaning towards the AA...

bobalis

12-03-2002, 08:09 PM

they are the same bore size. They are both standard bore but if you want to you can get diff. backs for the AA or the Ultralite ( in 03)

Live4Ever

12-03-2002, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by bobalis
they are the same bore size. They are both standard bore but if you want to you can get diff. backs for the AA or the Ultralite ( in 03)

First of all, they are not the same bore size, the Dye is .688 and the AA is .689 (believe me, it makes a difference).

Second, You cannot get different back for the AA unless you are talking about they freak, which is out of the question... I hate those things...

I understand the the Dye will start making new front and backs in 2003, but I dont really feel like waiting... The AA and the Dye got the same reviews, so I don't really see a need to wait...

Live4Ever

12-03-2002, 10:13 PM

I've made the decision to get the Powerlyte Scepter system. I've heard nothing but good things about that barrel and I also know that their customer support is great, and if you don't like the barrel you have like 6-months to return it... I read on that sticky that all porting does is silence it (duh) but also stop the ball from accelerating... The scepter doesn't have porting till the very end and looks pretty decent..

upt147

12-04-2002, 02:25 PM

uuummm...about the 2 piece ultralite coming out in 03 its already out ive had one for more than 2 weeks already.

And yes ultralite to me is the best barrel out there right now.

xavier678

12-04-2002, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Live4Ever
I've made the decision to get the Powerlyte Scepter system. I've heard nothing but good things about that barrel and I also know that their customer support is great, and if you don't like the barrel you have like 6-months to return it... I read on that sticky that all porting does is silence it (duh) but also stop the ball from accelerating... The scepter doesn't have porting till the very end and looks pretty decent..

Porting dosent stop the ball from acellerating, i stops anyway in 8 inches, more or less, less with a blowback (HP marker), im not suggesting you get a diff system, the scepter sounds good, just getting some facts straight. Have you considered the PIPE? they sound good from what people have told me.

Puddleglum

12-05-2002, 01:08 PM

Well, I play with both. 2002 Ultralite, and 2002 All American. I deffinatly like the Ultralite better.

Live4Ever

12-05-2002, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Puddleglum
Well, I play with both. 2002 Ultralite, and 2002 All American. I deffinatly like the Ultralite better.

For the hundredth time, please tell me why you like it better...

The only reason why am I considering the AA is because of it's bore size (.689)... Dye has .688 which is too small and .690 which is too big, .689 fits my paint perfectly... Also they both got the same score in the reviews section...

cocker kid 2k2

12-06-2002, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by Live4Ever

For the hundredth time, please tell me why you like it better...

The only reason why am I considering the AA is because of it's bore size (.689)... Dye has .688 which is too small and .690 which is too big, .689 fits my paint perfectly... Also they both got the same score in the reviews section...

Ok buddy imma help you out here with a couple things. First the reviews mean absolutely nothing, they're not worth a thing imo, since a majority of the people who write them are really pleased with the product they give it a ten, or people who are really unpleased give it a 1, i can guarentee you about 95 % of the reviews out there are biased like that.

Now for the barrel question, the ultralite is better since Dye actually knows how to make a 2 piece barrel. Take both an all american and ultralite, look down the barrel, you will barely be able to tell where the front and back meet on the ultralite. But on the aa its so freakin obvious because they are made really poorly, I dont like them at all(keep in mind i owned the all american before) The honing on the ultralite is much better which means less friction which means more accurate. DYE is deffinatly better quality when you are talking about barrels, its what they specalize in. Go for the ultralite and just forget about the All american all together.

Live4Ever

12-06-2002, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by cocker kid 2k2

Ok buddy imma help you out here with a couple things. First the reviews mean absolutely nothing, they're not worth a thing imo, since a majority of the people who write them are really pleased with the product they give it a ten, or people who are really unpleased give it a 1, i can guarentee you about 95 % of the reviews out there are biased like that.

Now for the barrel question, the ultralite is better since Dye actually knows how to make a 2 piece barrel. Take both an all american and ultralite, look down the barrel, you will barely be able to tell where the front and back meet on the ultralite. But on the aa its so freakin obvious because they are made really poorly, I dont like them at all(keep in mind i owned the all american before) The honing on the ultralite is much better which means less friction which means more accurate. DYE is deffinatly better quality when you are talking about barrels, its what they specalize in. Go for the ultralite and just forget about the All american all together.

What about my bore size problem? I am also considering the scepter kit...

xavier678

12-06-2002, 03:03 PM

PiranhaPunk342

12-06-2002, 05:10 PM

Evil Pipe system

cocker kid 2k2

12-07-2002, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by Live4Ever

What about my bore size problem? I am also considering the scepter kit...

You'll be fine, just get the ultralite and play i guarentee it'll work well.

Live4Ever

12-07-2002, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by cocker kid 2k2

You'll be fine, just get the ultralite and play i guarentee it'll work well.

Ok, from looking at all your other posts, it seems you are pretty biased... You are just saying the boomstick is much better then bla bla... You aren't really telling us why its better, so its not helping...

Has anyone else used both of these barrels?

WetWily69

12-07-2002, 02:47 PM

ive used both the ultralite and the AA. I recomend the ultalit,its much lighter which is good if ur a front player and it is made very well. my AA always would mess up in some way so i just got the ulralite and it works fine. SO i recomend the ultralite

Live4Ever

12-07-2002, 04:25 PM

Heh, thanks, but now I'm thinking about getting the Scepter Kit from FONDirect.com for $145... Anyone tried the Scepter Kit and/or ever ordered anything from FONDirect.com?

Thanks

cocker kid 2k2

12-07-2002, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by Live4Ever

Ok, from looking at all your other posts, it seems you are pretty biased... You are just saying the boomstick is much better then bla bla... You aren't really telling us why its better, so its not helping...

Has anyone else used both of these barrels?

Dude i am sorry and i dont mean to be rude, but i have said how the ultralite is better than the all american several times, Hell i even wrote a big paragraph on it. Here i'll go copy and paste the paragraph for you.

Now for the barrel question, the ultralite is better since Dye actually knows how to make a 2 piece barrel. Take both an all american and ultralite, look down the barrel, you will barely be able to tell where the front and back meet on the ultralite. But on the aa its so freakin obvious because they are made really poorly, I dont like them at all(keep in mind i owned the all american before) The honing on the ultralite is much better which means less friction which means more accurate. DYE is deffinatly better quality when you are talking about barrels, its what they specalize in. Go for the ultralite and just forget about the All american all together.

I dont know how you could have missed that pragraph, unless your just not reading my posts which isnt cool since im just trying to help you. :o

Live4Ever

12-07-2002, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by cocker kid 2k2

Dude i am sorry and i dont mean to be rude, but i have said how the ultralite is better than the all american several times, Hell i even wrote a big paragraph on it. Here i'll go copy and paste the paragraph for you.

Now for the barrel question, the ultralite is better since Dye actually knows how to make a 2 piece barrel. Take both an all american and ultralite, look down the barrel, you will barely be able to tell where the front and back meet on the ultralite. But on the aa its so freakin obvious because they are made really poorly, I dont like them at all(keep in mind i owned the all american before) The honing on the ultralite is much better which means less friction which means more accurate. DYE is deffinatly better quality when you are talking about barrels, its what they specalize in. Go for the ultralite and just forget about the All american all together.

I dont know how you could have missed that pragraph, unless your just not reading my posts which isnt cool since im just trying to help you. :o

I guess I did miss that, sorry. Useful information but now I am looking at the Scepter Kit, lol... Have you had any experience with that? Thanks

cocker kid 2k2

12-07-2002, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by Live4Ever

I guess I did miss that, sorry. Useful information but now I am looking at the Scepter Kit, lol... Have you had any experience with that? Thanks

Heh sry bud cant help ya there. But if you need info with dye barrels, you know where to find me :|

Live4Ever

12-07-2002, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by cocker kid 2k2

Heh sry bud cant help ya there. But if you need info with dye barrels, you know where to find me :|

Okay, thanks anyway.

SPS16

12-07-2002, 11:25 PM

I would say now that the ultralite 2002 can be unscrewed their both equally good however the AA is much more stylish so i would choose that over an all black barrel unless thats your thing

cocker kid 2k2

12-08-2002, 04:24 AM

Originally posted by SPS16
I would say now that the ultralite 2002 can be unscrewed their both equally good however the AA is much more stylish so i would choose that over an all black barrel unless thats your thing

The fact that they both screw apart means nothing, the fact that when the ultralite is screwed in together both the back and front match. That does not happen with the all american.

pbmanic

12-08-2002, 10:11 AM

Do the powerlight or aa come with the option of coming in diggerent bores? i konw the old aa's did, but do the new ones?

thanks

Live4Ever

12-08-2002, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by pbmanic
Do the powerlight or aa come with the option of coming in diggerent bores? i konw the old aa's did, but do the new ones?

thanks

Umm first off the powerlyte is not a barrel its a company... the barrel that they make is the scepter which is a barrel kit...

Second, no the new AA's dont come in different bore sizes...

LadderingABC_Yu

12-08-2002, 10:59 AM

serioiusly dude go w/ the ultralite
they're cheap right now
they're about $50 or $60 @ paintballgateway.com

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o yea u said u hate freak system
the specter is the same thing ...
the evil pipe is another freak imatation

Live4Ever

12-08-2002, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by LadderingABC_Yu
serioiusly dude go w/ the ultralite
they're cheap right now
they're about $50 or $60 @ paintballgateway.com

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o yea u said u hate freak system
the specter is the same thing ...
the evil pipe is another freak imatation

If the Specter was the same thing as the Freak, it would really suck... but it doesn't... the quality and worksmanship are so much better its not even funny... and it doesnt come with 8 useless inserts.. when youll only really use two or three

"Its all about quality, not quantity"

SPS16

12-08-2002, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by cocker kid 2k2

The fact that they both screw apart means nothing, the fact that when the ultralite is screwed in together both the back and front match. That does not happen with the all american.
um... lets say you break a ball it would be a lot easier to clean it if you could take it apart :rolleyes:

Live4Ever

12-08-2002, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by SPS16

um... lets say you break a ball it would be a lot easier to clean it if you could take it apart :rolleyes:

like he said, they both screw apart...

littlejerry

12-08-2002, 03:58 PM

I have owned both(err... a boomstick, but thats the same as a UL, just has a SS back instead of an aluminum one). I prefer the AA since it gets the same performance if you have a good paint/barrel match. Also my boomstick is a real ***** when it comes to paint. Its just too damned picky. Thats why Im either going to buy another AA, or just go get a freak.

cocker kid 2k2

12-08-2002, 04:07 PM

The boomstick may be picky on paint if its a standard medium bore, lots of medium bore barrels are picky on paint, thats why most people get boomsticks at a larger bore like .690 or .692 so its never too small a barrel for the paint.

Live4Ever

12-08-2002, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by cocker kid 2k2
The boomstick may be picky on paint if its a standard medium bore, lots of medium bore barrels are picky on paint, thats why most people get boomsticks at a larger bore like .690 or .692 so its never too small a barrel for the paint.

So what's Dye up to lately? Their site is ****ed up and I noticed you cant order custom bore sizes anymore...

littlejerry

12-08-2002, 06:29 PM

to order a custom bore size its like 130 bucks... AA is the better deal IMO

LadderingABC_Yu

12-08-2002, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Live4Ever

So what's Dye up to lately? Their site is ****ed up and I noticed you cant order custom bore sizes anymore...

they're upgradign their website if u haven't noticed ... :crazy:

Live4Ever

12-08-2002, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by littlejerry
to order a custom bore size its like 130 bucks... AA is the better deal IMO

Umm you can't even order a custom bore size.. So i dunno what u are talking about

cocker kid 2k2

12-08-2002, 07:11 PM

Just gotto wait a bit till they start sellin fronts and backs seperate, than you can get largerbore backs for cheaper.

xavier678

12-08-2002, 09:17 PM

they kinda do. Its called a freak system. you want another back size for your AA, you get a freak back. All SP 2 piece barrels have the same threading in the middle.

Live4Ever

12-08-2002, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by xavier678
they kinda do. Its called a freak system. you want another back size for your AA, you get a freak back. All SP 2 piece barrels have the same threading in the middle.

lol... hes talking about Dye barrels... how stupid do you think we are?

LadderingABC_Yu

12-09-2002, 02:50 AM

NO FREAKS!!! :pissed:

littlejerry

12-09-2002, 12:18 PM

yes, actualy you CAN buy custom bore sized Boomsticks. I saw it on the Dye site. I believe they are about 134 bucks.

Live4Ever

12-09-2002, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by LadderingABC_Yu
NO FREAKS!!! :pissed:
Damn straight!

Originally posted by littlejerry
yes, actualy you CAN buy custom bore sized Boomsticks. I saw it on the Dye site. I believe they are about 134 bucks.
Look again, I don't say something unless I know what I'm talking about...

xavier678

12-09-2002, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Live4Ever

lol... hes talking about Dye barrels... how stupid do you think we are?

No comment. J/K, I was being facetious.

cocker kid 2k2

12-09-2002, 02:46 PM

Nobody should even meantion the poor quality freak here, its just not worth being talked around the all mighty ultralite. And once again people the different bore boomsticks wont be 134 bux once the different bore backs come out on the market, and its not going to be that long untill they do anyways.

xavier678

12-09-2002, 03:10 PM

yeah, thell be 130 just like the dye tanks are 1100 or somthing like that. heh, why the hell do they even put in prices if they arent even serious about it?

cocker kid 2k2

12-09-2002, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by xavier678
yeah, thell be 130 just like the dye tanks are 1100 or somthing like that. heh, why the hell do they even put in prices if they arent even serious about it?

Dude thats a load of crap, dye tanks dont even have an msrp, where are you getting your information from.

And sure mayb directly from dye you may still have to pay 130, but did you ever think that a place like pbgear would bring the price down, since thats what they do.

xavier678

12-09-2002, 03:56 PM

come on man, sarcasm. if you click on 'order here' or whatever for the tanks thats what it says, it was a joke, lighten up!

LadderingABC_Yu

12-09-2002, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by cocker kid 2k2
Nobody should even meantion the poor quality freak here, its just not worth being talked around the all mighty ultralite. And once again people the different bore boomsticks wont be 134 bux once the different bore backs come out on the market, and its not going to be that long untill they do anyways.

:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:

CoryTLElect

12-14-2002, 07:23 PM

If i were u i would go with the ultralite it hasreally nice accuracy and quiets ur barel down ALLITTLLE. To solve ur bore prb just get different paint i reccomend the 32degrees team colors paint with the ultralite.

Live4Ever

12-14-2002, 08:09 PM

i have to use my paint... my paint == field paint

LadderingABC_Yu

01-03-2003, 11:56 AM

just get the ultralite i've used many brands of paint and all of them have fit and shot perfectly

cocker kid 2k2

01-03-2003, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by LadderingABC_Yu
just get the ultralite i've used many brands of paint and all of them have fit and shot perfectly

As long as the ultralite is a good bore like .690 it will fit any quality paint and shoot it accuratly. The .688's can be a bit picky.

littlejerry

01-03-2003, 01:16 PM

yes, i have a .688 boomstick and its picky as hell about paint. Hell, week old marbs wont even shoot out of it. Stick with diablo and JT and youll be good tho. Or buy a .690 bore. Personally im waiting till DYE comes out with seperate backs. Cant wait to buy a .686 and .690 aluminum back.

cocker kid 2k2

01-03-2003, 02:04 PM

Yeah, littlejerry has the right idea.

littlejerry

01-03-2003, 02:17 PM

although, if oyu have cash to burn, id get the titanium longbow system.

Evil Pipe is also nice.

cocker kid 2k2

01-03-2003, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by littlejerry
although, if oyu have cash to burn, id get the titanium longbow system.

Evil Pipe is also nice.

Now i have to disagree with you, if you just had one .690 barrel, it would fit almost all paint fine, so there is really no need to get a barrel with 4 or 5 different backs, because all that your going to do is waste money when you would need two at the most.

littlejerry

01-04-2003, 08:24 AM

um... for the best performance you need a good paint/barrel bore match... .690 is big enough for almost all paint... but it doesnt fit it right....

You have a .690 barrel for larger/old paint. .688 for medium. .686 for small bore paint, and so on....

not a waste of money if you never shoot the same paint, or if you live where it gets incredibly humid in the summer...

Infection5

02-06-2003, 08:06 AM

Dye Isnt selling backs by themselfs. When they first came out with the new 2 piece ultralight barrels I called them and they said the only reason they did it was for storage reasons and that if you wanted a new back you would have to but a WHOLE new barrel. They do now offer different bore sizes but you still have to buy the whole barrel not just the back.

cocker kid 2k2

02-06-2003, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Infection5
Dye Isnt selling backs by themselfs. When they first came out with the new 2 piece ultralight barrels I called them and they said the only reason they did it was for storage reasons and that if you wanted a new back you would have to but a WHOLE new barrel. They do now offer different bore sizes but you still have to buy the whole barrel not just the back.

Yeah, i just read that a while ago too, no matter, just buy the .690 back to begin with and dont even waste your time with the .688.

bobalis

02-06-2003, 12:16 PM

I thought dye was going to sell different bore backs soon.

littlejerry

02-06-2003, 03:50 PM

Who knows what DYE is gonna do... If they do start selling differnt backs, they will prolly charge like 80 bucks for em.

cocker kid 2k2

02-06-2003, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by littlejerry
Who knows what DYE is gonna do... If they do start selling differnt backs, they will prolly charge like 80 bucks for em.

Dye WILL be selling different bore size ultralites as wholes there wont be any just backs or anything like that to this date.

CoryTLElect

02-21-2003, 09:09 PM

To Live4Ever
It doesnt matter if the paint wont fit ur barrel. Boo Hoo just go buy like 500 or less paintballs of a whole buncha brands and just test them out with the barrel.
I got the old style of he ultralight (glued instead of threaded). I was wondering, would the glued seal better making it more accurate, or would they be the same.

reneirwolf878

02-22-2003, 05:02 AM

Originally posted by CoryTLElect
To Live4Ever
It doesnt matter if the paint wont fit ur barrel. Boo Hoo just go buy like 500 or less paintballs of a whole buncha brands and just test them out with the barrel.
I got the old style of he ultralight (glued instead of threaded). I was wondering, would the glued seal better making it more accurate, or would they be the same.

He has to use field paint....

And I would So pick an unltralite. My friend has a 2002 ultralite its .688 and it shoots a lot of paint out of his impulse incredibly well.