autococker

[paitballboy455]

ok i have been paintballing for a little while and i have heared of auto cockers before and heared that they are none electro's but some one said that they are electro's so what is it?

[-=ReD-hAzE=-]

both..:rolleyes:

they have mechanical cockers...
and they have electrical cockers...

[AK47]

they are mechanical markers that can be electro converted. im not sure if they are considered a hybrid or not

[paitballboy455]

can macanicle cocker shoot fast?

[NoPepsiForYou]

yes, I don't know what they are capable of but I herd somewhereit is like 13 BPS or something.

but its all in the finger.

[Chaotic_Knight]

On a mechanical cocker the bps depends upon the parts and the player, I can usually shoot around 14-16 bps with my Gx-3 cocker, but all the parts on it are after market, and I have a dye hinge trigger. My trigger pull is about 2.5mm and very smooth, I can get it reduced to around 0.1mm or less, but I prefer that length. On a stock cocker i would imagine only being able to shoot anywhere from 9-12 bps depending on the player. So to determine how many bps a cocker will shoot you would have to keep in mind the upgrades and the players trigg finger.

Just my 2 cents.....:D

[Ebonclaw]

The autococker is basically a pump gun that pumps itself. It used to be strictly manual, but lately conversions have been made that replace the 4-way with electronic systems, and the autococker can be made electronic. Not just a trigger frame like a Spyder. The RoF can be as fast as any electro-pnumatic gun.
So....you can have a mechanical cocker, or an eeltronic cocker, but the electronic cockers are genreally pretty pricey.

[Thor the Mighty]

Originally posted by Chaotic_Knight
On a mechanical cocker the bps depends upon the parts and the player, I can usually shoot around 14-16 bps with my Gx-3 cocker, but all the parts on it are after market, and I have a dye hinge trigger. My trigger pull is about 2.5mm and very smooth, I can get it reduced to around 0.1mm or less, but I prefer that length. On a stock cocker i would imagine only being able to shoot anywhere from 9-12 bps depending on the player. So to determine how many bps a cocker will shoot you would have to keep in mind the upgrades and the players trigg finger.

Just my 2 cents.....:D

i would like to see a vidio of that 16 bps. i heard only oracle cockers can do that. and that is the record for mech cockers. plus, i have never heard of a 2.5mm cocker trigger, let a lone one that can be reduced to a .1mm. i would like to see your frame.

[LimeRatImpy]

My friend"a rich be-atch" has a 2K2 Black magic with 2-finger dye swing frame and he paid this guy"cause the kids dad is rich" $50 for a trigger job. Well the tech got the trigger down to were you could actually just wiggle the trigger from the side to fire it. Iwas their to and the whole time i was thinkin, "dam rich kid"

[Thor the Mighty]

the whole time i was reading that i was thinking "dumb rich kid"

that is so retarded! there is nothing to push back the trigger! its probably not that great. he should have a .01mm trigger pull but it pushes back. that would be the fastest trigger out there. oh, with a 4x trigger :D

[Chaotic_Knight]

Uhhhh...... Thor the Mighty, lol... 2.5 is not all that small, my buddy's cocker is an oracle=electro,and his was that low, but at the time I was unsure if it was electro and he said he could reduce my trigg pull quite nicely from what it is, I thought it would be his size. But I was wrong because of not being sure what his gun was, so 0.1 is quite possible for electro. As for mine being 2.5 I just measured it and it was actually 2.6, sorry for the mistake their Thor, u were right.

16 bps is not that hard to believe it is all in my fingers Thor, My friend has e spyder flash lcd with a ball counter and all them gizmos on it, when he's on full auto his gun shoots at about 13 bps, him and I were just messing around and found that i shoot a few balls faster with my better trigg finger then his gun on full auto, so maybe 16 is an exageration. But over 13 I am positive.

[Thor the Mighty]

im sorry. i have never heard of a 2.5 or 2.6 on a cocker before.

even using a firestorm electo kit on a cocker, you still only get "over 12 balls per second." now. lets be honest. if people could rip 16 balls per second on a mech cocker, why would they spend hundreds of dollars on a system that would only enable them to shoot 14?

[LimeRatImpy]

yeah right now i can pull 7bps on my spyder thats pretty good for having that long of a trigger pull. I'm called crazy fingers at my field because i've outsot an eggy2 on an impulse with vision

[Thor the Mighty]

chaotic knight- i dont believe you on the 14 bps. i found that cockers cant cycle that fast. "stock cockers only get about 10 bps, sto's ect 12 bps. "-shadow221

[LimeRatImpy]

i forget where i saw it but their has been a test with a cocker that had a computer controlled trigger"not an electro cocker" and the thing got 16b.p.s. but it had a bomb 3 way, jackhammer 2 and an STO ram, as well as a dye hinge

[Thor the Mighty]

yeah. chaotic isnt a computer is he? and i just found out that even if you replace your 3way, you will still only get 8 balls per second. 10 is hard and almost impossible. 16 is...well...no.

[LimeRatImpy]

i know chaotic isn't a computer, but i'm just proving it is possible for the gun to fire that fast

[magicsly1]

Originally posted by Chaotic_Knight
On a mechanical cocker the bps depends upon the parts and the player, I can usually shoot around 14-16 bps with my Gx-3 cocker, but all the parts on it are after market, and I have a dye hinge trigger. My trigger pull is about 2.5mm and very smooth, I can get it reduced to around 0.1mm or less, but I prefer that length. On a stock cocker i would imagine only being able to shoot anywhere from 9-12 bps depending on the player. So to determine how many bps a cocker will shoot you would have to keep in mind the upgrades and the players trigg finger.

Just my 2 cents.....:D

Originally posted by Thor the Mighty


i would like to see a vidio of that 16 bps. i heard only oracle cockers can do that. and that is the record for mech cockers. plus, i have never heard of a 2.5mm cocker trigger, let a lone one that can be reduced to a .1mm. i would like to see your frame.

I love how bps is thrown around so much. I won't call anybody a n00b b/c it is offending even though they are but can't bring themself to consider that they are. So i'll put it like this

Have you ever seen a marker shoot 16 bps?
I think the most you have hit on a cocker is 6-8 bps (mind you that is fast on a mechanical cocker). That is enough to outshoot your 9v. But since you like most cocker people will juz say you can hit 16 bps and i'm full of it, i'll juz say "pic up a lcd and pull the trigger as fast as you can and read your rof." That will give you a picture of how fast your "16pbs" is.

later
-magicsly

[LimeRatImpy]

r u talkin 2 me? I doesn't seem like it. and yeah i have shot 16 b.p.s. before on this one fat guy's gold angel 2k1 lcd

[Thor the Mighty]

ive shot 16 too. on my talon :D. jk i did it once on an angel. its fast and i dont think anyone could do it on an autococker like that guy has

[LimeRatImpy]

me 2 on my modded electronic trigger frame talon, with intellifeed, derlin bolt, lighter trigger springs, and a vision anti-shop eye system. man was that in my prime, LMAO:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: X1,000 I don't know if i believe him or not all i know is that its possilbe to shoot 16bps on a modded cocker

[Thor the Mighty]

wtf! how did you make an etalon? isnt the whole gun body just one piece of plastic?

[LimeRatImpy]

holy crap u actually believed me? i had :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: x 1,000 laughing smilies.
someone is very gullable

[coolcockerguy]

I really wanna see a cocker with a trigger pull of .1 mm.... considering that would NEVER be enough to activate a 3 way. not too be rude but your aren't shooting that fast, dig up that video of the eclipse cocker with the eblade, thats fast as crap and its probably not that fast. just honestly think about that for a second, that means you are pulling the trigger 16 freakin times in 1 second... if you really think about it on a mechanical marker which has a long trigger pull(I don't care what your cocker is unless its a ecocker it will never be as short as a angel) that is almost inpossible. just my opinion.

[BlackMagic23]

my trigger on my eclipse frame is 1mm. the that is one of the shortest pulls on a mechanical cocker ive seen. i have heard other relaible people say 1 mm also but nothing shorter on a mechanical cocker. 16 bps im sorry man but no! thats right no! bps is exagerrated so much. kids shoot like 8 and think their doing 13. or someones friend not to name names shoots 10 or 11 and thinks hes doin 16. 12-13 i could understand but more on a mechanical cocker i doubt it.

[Thor the Mighty]

finally a cocker owner to back me up. when i saw your name on "last posted" i though "oh crap, here comes the storm" but you saw beyond the noobness and posted truth! THANK YOU BLACK MAGIC!

[LimeRatImpy]

LOL

[BlackMagic23]

i could go noobish and start flaming if u want. but id probably get banned.

[Thor the Mighty]

your loss :P

[LimeRatImpy]

ME? hey i posted "LOL" the same time as Thor posted. i was laughing at the part about people thinkin thye are faster than they really are
SEE THIS IS WHAT I MEAN BY YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING STUFF 2

[frisko_sav]

yea, with cocker i can get 9 if im hella HELLA lucky and really feelin it and its freshly timed, other than that 6-7 on the average with the blade and bomb, smooth as a well not ababy cuz thats wierd, lets just say smoooth as that liars moms bottom 16 HA I LAUGH AT YOU

[LimeRatImpy]

i never said i've shot 16 with a cocker man, i said it is just possible. i only said i've shot 16 with an angel

[frisko_sav]

were not talkin to u

[LimeRatImpy]

ok, thankx 4 clearin that up

[Chaotic_Knight]

Ok plain and simple, 10 is way too low. Like I said, my buddy puts his on full auto on his sypey flash lcd, full auto is 13 bps, now If I am shooting faster or in the least the same how fast is that guys????

Perhaps it is hard to believe, but if yall wanna come up to canada and visit go right ahead. I don't really care....... I am able to show yas.

Hmmmmm...... Yes I might be a computer.

We can argue about it for weeks but it will make no difference, my 3 way is now a dye, it is better then the bomb in my opinion, and my trigg pull has reduced alot as well but no still not under 1mm, it is more around 1.9 or so, just under or over 2. But I know there is a way for it to go lower.

I tested it again today just to make sure that it is faster then the full auto on his spidey and it is, or seems like it. either way I am positive that it is more then 10 and pretty sure it is more then 13. Yes maybe 16 is too high Lol....... I may have gotten a bit too big for my britches<--- but over 13 is not impossible I garauntee that.

And too the guy that said imagine 16 in 1 second or what not, it is not like you just start pulling the trigg and count out 1, you start pullin and once you got the sweet spot and the rhythm count out 1.

I did notice that when I really went out i was skipping balls though(just dry firing).

Also electro marker can go under 1mm, they can go to paper thickness, the team down here, anyone from canada might recognize them as team outbreak ranked 5th in Ca, all have angels except one with an electro cocker. But anyway all of these guys have paper thickness triggs. Some of the angels have such a short pull if you tap the hopper at about medium strength the gun fires.<--- pretty mint actually.

Anyways agree, disagree, frankly does not matter too me.
Either way it is the way it is.

[LimeRatImpy]

good way 2 sum it up Knight

[Thor the Mighty]

Originally posted by Chaotic_Knight
Ok plain and simple, 10 is way too low. Like I said, my buddy puts his on full auto on his sypey flash lcd, full auto is 13 bps, now If I am shooting faster or in the least the same how fast is that guys????

if any of this was true, you would be all over warpig, and on every page of apg. no, you cant do 13 with a mech trigger. no, you cant outshoot a spyder on full auto. i dont know why you are thinking this bull.

[Ebonclaw]

The autococker has what I like to call a "perceived" rate of fire. In other words, when you fire a Spyder, you hear the shot and recocking almost completely as one sound since it happens so quickly. An autococker however, opens the breech when you pull the trigger and fires on the release, each with a distinctive sound....two seperate sounds per firing cycle. This basically means that it's easy to THINK it's firing faster, because you're hearing twice the number of sounds as a single Spyder firing cycle, but if someone could pull 13 BPS on a mechanical trigger, Dynasty would have drafted them by now.

[Thor the Mighty]

more like stormed their house and taken them hostage.

[xavier678]

even fanning, there is no way to get 16 on a mech cocker. it is not possible. get a chrono and try it. or get some recording software and count the sets of noise. not each little bump. 10 is hard but anything over 12 or 13 is simply not possible.

[LimeRatImpy]

i'll try shootin 13 on a cocker then maybe i'll be picked up by a pro team. I'll do it, in like a year. that'll make me 15

[Thor the Mighty]

good luck on that! id rather just get a hypermag and outshoot any impy in that price range ;)

[LimeRatImpy]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, a hypermag. I will never turn to the good side. the impys will devour your mags, muah ha ha ha ha:pissed: :pissed: :pissed:

[Thor the Mighty]

of course :rolleyes: seeing that hypermags are faster, smaller, and more practically upgradable.

[LimeRatImpy]

oh yeah just let the hooligans loose on me with their hypermags, i'll gun em down

[Thor the Mighty]

its called a rat for a reason :rolleyes:

seriously though, you can get a hypermag used for about 300 bucks, that has lvl 10 with it.

[LimeRatImpy]

yeah and where is this? www.we sell paint ball crap for low prices that are lower than we buy the product for.com

[Thor the Mighty]

i just go on ebay, or www.recycler.com ( i think its for california only) and they have good stuff on there sometimes. same with swapmeets. i got my mag with 700 dollars worth of stuff on it for 100!

[LimeRatImpy]

this persuadeing won't work on me
mag=bad

[-=ReD-hAzE=-]

Originally posted by LimeRatImpy
this persuadeing won't work on me
mag=bad

are you that dumb..?

[LimeRatImpy]

not actually i'm not. i'm just foolin around.

Stupid bunny god:pissed: :crazy: :laugh:

[-=ReD-hAzE=-]

Originally posted by LimeRatImpy
not actually i'm not. i'm just foolin around.

Stupid bunny god:pissed: :crazy: :laugh:

wrong again fool... it's GOD BUNNY... not bunny god...
insolent fool...

[Thor the Mighty]

Originally posted by LimeRatImpy
this persuadeing won't work on me
mag=bad


yeah mags are bad...bad ARSE!

persuading dosnt work, i know. you simple minded ogre! you didnt need me to pull the blinds over your eyes. you forehead does a pretty good job of that.

[-=ReD-hAzE=-]

Originally posted by Thor the Mighty



yeah mags are bad...bad ARSE!

persuading dosnt work, i know. you simple minded ogre! you didnt need me to pull the blinds over your eyes. you forehead does a pretty good job of that.


lol... he's got a big floppy forehead...:laugh:

[LimeRatImpy]

god bunny, bunny god same thing. And well i'm not an orge, it just goes 2 show who the people here that sit on their but playin D&D and everquest and other crap like that. Well i don't have a floppy foehead the only thing that comes close to floppy here is your girlfriends, if you have any that is.

[-=ReD-hAzE=-]

Originally posted by LimeRatImpy
god bunny, bunny god same thing. And well i'm not an orge, it just goes 2 show who the people here that sit on their but playin D&D and everquest and other crap like that. Well i don't have a floppy foehead the only thing that comes close to floppy here is your girlfriends, if you have any that is.

wow... that really hurt... i think i'm going to go cry to my floppy gf now...

[LimeRatImpy]

just some stupid stuff to say to some other stupid stufff, you get my drift

[Thor the Mighty]

so in other words...the floppy forhead comment touched your soal so greatly that you were for a loss of words?:laugh:

i dont have a floppy girlfriend. i have an unfloppy one...except in one place ;)....AND I DONT MEAN THE ARSE :pissed:

[-=ReD-hAzE=-]

how about we get this thread back on topic instead of argueing over who has floppy stuff... kapeash

[cocker kid 2k2]

Wow, this thread went from some kid lying about how he can get 16 on a mechanical cocker which is physically impossible, to mags apparenlty sucking. We just gotto set it straight, mags are great, and 16on a mechanical trigger is not possible. And matrices rule, yes i know that wasnt brought up but it should have been ;)

[Thor the Mighty]

actually, i was just about to prove the impy owner wrong when red came in :rolleyes: way to go red.

jk

why did you bring this horrible thread back!>?!