Respect the Brass Eagle

[abarnhar]

:D Just here to express my support to the Brass Eagle Mafia. :D

I used to have a Raptor and Stingray II. Great memories.

You guys are awesome for supporting markers that most people slam and mock horribly.

I'll get a Stingray II again someday.

[Raptomatic]

Jeah!

Am I the only one who never had a ray?

[Headhunter]

I have a StingRay I. I also have a VL Genesis within my small collection. My wife has 2 Raptors, and my buddy has 1 StingRay I and 4(5?) StingRay IIs. I love the StingRay Is, they are awesome.

[Calebd2]

Originally posted by abarnhar
You guys are awesome for supporting markers that most people slam and mock horribly.


I am very much appalled by alot of what I see here on the brass eagle forum. Now i'm sure that all of you will agree with me that be are not the best guns out there. Does this mean they suck? NO! There 30 bucks people!! There not going to be shooting like your 500 cocker! We do have alot to thank BE for. For one many of you (including some of you with those cockers) started out with a Talon or a stingray. Without BE you wouldn't be here. So I think some of you guys need to think before you post.

[Housemaster]

THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING COMMON SENSE! I salute you all! BE shows that you don't need to buy a Cocker to have fun with paintball! :D :D :D

[trench_raider]

Most of the players who bash BE have never actually owned or even fired a BE gun and simply parrot what they have heard other "K3W1 D3Wd2" say.

A little story about Stingrays:
Due to unforseen circumstances I was forced to borrow a friend's Stingray2 recently when we visited our favorite feild at Forney Texas. (NE of Dallas) Now I'm a mid-level player at best (I'm too old and fat to be really good) but to my suprise the 'ray was competative with most of the guns I saw at the field that day. (Mostly various Spyder products and Typpy pro-carbines which are the field rental gun) The Ray didn't break a single ball in 4 hours and 9 rounds of play, was resonably accurate within it's range, and functioned flawlessly. Would I have taken it to a tournement? Of course not. But for casual rec play, there is nothing wrong with a Stingray.

Often on the reviews section of this site you see people claim that carrying a BE gun on a feild will get one made fun of. This is also not the case in the real world. (Of course I'm 6'1" 280 lbs, so that might be an issue too...;) ) Actually my friend got quite a few positive comments on his Stingray one. It seems that many newer players have never seen one before. makes me want to drag out my Rapide and see what comments I get...

BE has done a great thing by making an affordable product and bringing it to the masses by dealing with large retail chains. This will help "mainstream" the hobby.

Just my two cents of course...

"Trench Raider"
who just bought a Blade for the 8 year old son of is Girlfriend...

[MAJ. RaZoR -MR-]

AMEN HOUSE!

a newbie with a talon CAN beat a pro with an angel

[Guillotine]

Originally posted by trench_raider
A little story about Stingrays:
Due to unforseen circumstances I was forced to borrow a friend's Stingray2 recently when we visited our favorite feild at Forney Texas. (NE of Dallas) Now I'm a mid-level player at best (I'm too old and fat to be really good) but to my suprise the 'ray was competative with most of the guns I saw at the field that day. (Mostly various Spyder products and Typpy pro-carbines which are the field rental gun) The Ray didn't break a single ball in 4 hours and 9 rounds of play, was resonably accurate within it's range, and functioned flawlessly. Would I have taken it to a tournement? Of course not. But for casual rec play, there is nothing wrong with a Stingray.

amen to that...

and raptomatic...i'm with ya...I have never owned a stingray...it wasn't until recently that I just got a talon(traded my coiled remote line for it)...and, well...someday you guys will see the end product(the super god killing talon that is)

[chevy3500]

me and my freinds use to own stingrays out of 4 ,3 of them broke the barrel off.and they all leaked.i spent more time fixing them then playing with them.each gun shot about 2000 rounds before they started to break down.now i own 4 tipps. no probems with them.one hasent been cleaned in 2 years, works fine.i also have a raptor,this gun is also always down. im not a BE basher, maybe just have bads luck w/them.id never buy BE again

[abarnhar]

Originally posted by chevy3500
one hasent been cleaned in 2 years, works fine.

Regular maitenance will keep guns running better and longer. That might account for most of your problems with the BE.

[chevy3500]

i always oiled the BE guns.and i always oil the tipps. the 1 that hasent been oiled is my brothers gun.

[Urban-Coyote]

Originally posted by MAJ. RaZoR -MR-
AMEN HOUSE!

a newbie with a talon CAN beat a pro with an angel
i`m must say, that`d be a lucky n00b.

[[KAH]Wing_Zero]

yep thats true, given a pro could be using a 2k2 timmy dragon ... yea... 20+ bps against maybe 1 bps.... i thin kthe newb would lose, im sorry. lol

[Calebd2]

Originally posted by [KAH]Wing_Zero
yep thats true, given a pro could be using a 2k2 timmy dragon ... yea... 20+ bps against maybe 1 bps.... i thin kthe newb would lose, im sorry. lol

Now lets remember its not how many balls we shoot...

But it is true he wouldn't win considering an angel just is made better than a BE.

You still gotta give BE credit tho

[koolsniperz02]

me and my freinds use to own stingrays out of 4 ,3 of them broke the barrel off.


Dude, seriously......the only way something like that would happen with a ray is if you tried to do it. Or maybe you didn't put the pins back in, but really, you can only break the barrel off a stingray if you got a hammer and just smashed the frame.

[blingin1]

Ya know, about 3/4 of people who play paintball started out with a brass eagle. Now what if there was no brass eagle??? No players. its good to keep a B.E. as a part of the family...

[Gravity Slave]

Respect the Brass Eagle...heh, that's like saying "Respect the Elderly". Both are unreliable and vulnarable to breaking down. Unlike the elderly who are slow and dangerous behind the wheel of a car, the Brass Eagle line of markers aren't so dangerous on the field, slow and fragile yes, but not dangerous (unless the cheap ASA blows up on you). You may want to label me as a Brass Eagle basher or hater, not so. I own and love a few of their other products, like the Brass Eagle Hauler and 25 capacity hopper, good products really. Sure, I can respect someone who uses and occassionally gets eliminations with a Brass Eagle marker, does that mean I'd use one...no way. It's true, I'd be more impressed with some guy using a Maruader and getting a few eliminations than another guy using an Angel and getting a dozen eliminations. But that doesn't change the fact that BE makes a poor marker...sorry but it's true. I find that some people like to stick with the under-dog (Brass Eagle), it's a noble gesture, but who are you really fooling? I'll see ya at the field...

[Calebd2]

Originally posted by Gravity Slave
Respect the Brass Eagle...heh, that's like saying "Respect the Elderly". Both are unreliable and vulnarable to breaking down.

:laugh: If I didn't already have a full sig of qoutes I'd add that

[GuyIncognito]

geez what is this that brass eagle members rally forum? :D ive been watching these forums out of curiosity for a while and all i seem to be seeing is the bashing of brass eagle and the defence of it...you guys should just rename the forums brass eagle debate...or ya know you could turn it in to the regular forum its supposed to be like the other sections around here. :eyes:

[Ebonclaw]

Yup.....currently, BE is the only manufacturer that makes a $30 gun that is loads of fun......you're not going to find another company that makes a gun that cheap for people to get started with. BE is the cheapest way to play paintball and get started in it. Having said that, BE is not necessarily as bad as everyone makes it out to be. 5 years ago, a Revlation would have been considered godly. My quarrels with BE's guns involve the higher end guns that so many newbies try to get mom to buy from Wal-Mart and their quality IN RELATION TO other modern, similarly priced paintball products. With the exception of the Rainmaker, which is a kickarse gun.
I applaud BE on producing the low end guns that introduce people to our sport, but charging $130 to uninformed Wal-mart consumers when the quality is inherently inferior for a Revelation, especially customers that can barely scrounge up $130, is NOT something I agree with. I mean, come on, other companies can manufacture GOOD GUNS for $130. Take the Black Dragun, which broke price barriers everywhere. The guns aren't inherently bad. With the exception of the Raptor due to the connector pin and the fact that not all 13 year olds are machinists that can remedy the problem as easily as older "tinkerers" could.
Now we'll take BE's "Microsoft-esque" line of thinking. They're so intent on promoting the sport, why sue Odyssey and the HALO? The Halo is the greatest innovation in loader technology in ages, was put out BEFORE the EGG II, using a different technology, and yet, BE knows that whether or not their sea of lawyers can win the case, the cost would be so high for Odyssey to fight it would have to fold.
I don't call that promoting paintball, I call that monopolizing.
Ok...BE's guns are great guns! So..what do the B.E. Allstars shoot? Samuaris? Even a Rainmaker?

Finally, while the cheaper guns promote the sport, the $60-$150 guns discourage it. If I'm $14 years old, I will practically covet the markers in Wal-mart....right up until I own one....
Maintenence for a gun should include normal lubing, NOT replacing connector pins I have to machine myself.
For $130, my gun should have quality and features similar to other $130 guns. This should include upgradability without having to do ghetto rigging to get aftermarket parts desigend for other guns to fit. It should perform as well as guns in a similar price range. Because I am going to feel VERY ripped off when my next door best freind shows off his Black Dragun, or similar electronic gun, with regulator, with upgradibility and so on and so forth and my gun boasts a mile long trigger pull and plastic grip.

BE wants to introduce people in the sport? Keep making the Talons. BE wants to KEEP people in the sport? Start competing without suing anything that holds a paintball. Start making the quality guns they were once known for, the old Nightmare pumps were technologically advanced and built solid in their time. The Rainmaker was the right direction for BE, not the Samuari.

[coolcockerguy]

I could not agree anymore with ebon, I think hes right on the money...

[Gravity Slave]

As one guy said earlier, "why all the Brass Eagle bashing...?". I am sure that there is the one or two models of BE markers that are sufficient for the new players, but that's about as good as it gets from there, the rest is iffy. There are basically three types of people that "bash" the BE line of markers.
1. Those that own high end markers and feel that their gear beats all reguardless of how good the competition is or may be. (can include either #1 or 2 below)
2.Those that just take hear-say and stereotypes and bash the Brass Eagle to jump aboard the "hater bandwagon" with no real knowlege.
3. Then you have the people that have actually tried out or owned a BE marker(s) and with experience of better markers see them as they are due to comparison.

I follow in the lines of #3. Yea, I may talk down about the BE markers from time to time (especially the Maruader), but it's because I've used other brand markers. So I know the subtle differences. After using BE, I see that they aren't the best made markers, and since they can preform poorly, I can't see how someone new to PB would have a fun time with one, reguardless of the cheaper price. My 2 cents...

[abarnhar]

Without my BE stingray II, I would have never gotten started into paintball.

Yeah, compared to what I shoot now, it sucked major hole, but that's not the point. The point is that it got me started and was cheap enough for a 8th grader to afford on no allowance.