do u really need an expansion chamber with an electro?

[Ghost2867]

my brother has a Spyder Victor, and he wants to upgrade it to electro. with one, does one really need an x-chamber, or does it only help?

[e-hose2002]

Your brother needs to buy a better gun and skip the crappy electro phase.....buy a cocker or impulse you will be much happier in the long run with one.... dont put electronics on your spyder its just a waste of money

[Calebd2]

Come on now ehose if he wants that for his victor than so be it. Yes, cockers and impys are better, but some poeple don't want to spend that kind of money.

Ok so ghost do you need to put an expansion chamber on the victor? No.
Will it increase preformance? Not much
Will it make the gun more comfortable? defiantly!

So, Yes I would get one just for the comfort

[bunker_guy]

god damnit!!! i hate people like you that go around and tell people that the gun they own or are asking about sucks. yea the spyder victor isnt the greatest gun, or even blowback in the world but it works well enough. not everyone is a spoiled little ***** like you and has there mommy buy them and angel, some people just go to there local field every now and then to have fun. so before you say another gun is crap think about it.

Ghost: no you do not need an x chamber, they are pretty mmuch useless. what you need is a regulator. but first you should always get a new barrel. oh and you might want to go to www.spyderea.net if you have anymore questions, its just as good, or better than the spyder forum here. and sorry about the ******* above.

[DasBaldDog]

Watch the language.....

[Ghost2867]

So he doesn't really need to get one...How will a reg help him out then?

and i do agree that he shouldn't upgrade to an electro with his victor. i personally have an e99...

and by the way, e-hose, i agree with bunker_guy. if i had the damn money, i'd be sporting a cocker shootin' balls up your ***, but since i don't, and neither does my brother, all i can do is use the spyders...

[DasBaldDog]

I said WATCH THE LANGUAGE!!

[MINDofSIN]

You tell em Das :laugh:

Expansion chambers do nothing. Especially if you're running HPA. Get a foregrip or a nice inline regulator.

[bunker_guy]

How will a reg help him out then?

a regulator will make velocity more consistant, and since velocity is the speed/distance you paintball is going it will make your gun more accurate. if you absolutely have to run co2 get a palmer male for your gun, they are 25 times more effective on turning liquid co2 into gas than an expansion chamber.

[benzy2]

i on the other hand disagree with all of you. When i put a x chamber on my spyder it made a ton of difference. I think you should definitly get one if you use co2. I wouldnt get a stabilizer no matter what. For that money you could upgrade to hpa and still have money. I think if you cant pay for a hpa tank or cant get it filled get a antisyphened 20 oz and a x chamber. I think you will notice a lot more consistant shoot if you go electro and get co2. Will it shoot as well as a angel with angel air? No. Will it shoot good enough for backyard/rec/low end tourney play? Absolutley. I say go for it. Its how i started out. And it made me better for it.

[co2_frost]

lol......you guys are funny...and theyre not really cursing....after all they have the "****'s" instead of the real words......lol....but it still is cursing. shame on all of you...

[bahverd]

If you wan't to make your co2 shots better get a Palmer Male Stabalizer... To the guy who said you can get HPA for that price: I'd love to see an HPA tank for $65.

A regulator is a better investment than an x-chamber plain and simple... A male stabalizer (like some guy said before) not only regulates but expands co2 better than an "expansion" chamber. Your shots will be more consistant, resulting in greater accuracy. Whatever you do don't get a set-up with an ex-chamber after the reg... Then the air you just regulated can expand and throw off the pressure.

To those who say upgrading spyders is pointless:

Ok, Let's take a compact 2k ($60), add a palmer male stabalizer ($65), a ESP frame ($100), a J&J Ceramic ($35), an Omega Ti valve ($20), and a revvy ($40), and a Spring kit ($12) This set-up was $332

Now let's take a Stock Cocker ($300) and a revvy ($40)
This set-up was $340

Riddle me this... Which performs better? I'll put my money on the Spyder that costed $8 less.

[DasBaldDog]

I'd put my money into the cocker...

You can dress a Spyder up ALL you want, but it's still a Spyder.

[bahverd]

Ok, I'll admit the stock cocker would break less paint compared to that spyder (what open bolt can beat a closed bolt at that withoout an anti-chop device).... but you'd be able to atain higher rates of fire on the spyder that costed you $8 less.

You wouldnt be simply dressing the spyder up, with the right aftermarket parts and home mods even non-electro spyders can operate at nearly 200psi and atleast outshoot a cocker as far as ROF... In my mind thats not bad considering were talking about an "entry-level" spyder.

A Souped up Spyder will outperform a stock cocker. And if you don't want to invest more than say $340 on a gun I'd take the better performer wouldn't you?

I'll admit you can take a cocker further than a spyder, but if your on a budget instead of buying a cocker why not buy a great working spyder?

[Ebonclaw]

Each gun has its own disadvantages and advantages. And if Das didn't make it perfectly clear to you, I will. You swear again I'll make sure it doesn't happen again, because you won't be posting here anymore. Got it?
The next thing I would like to say is if you're using an "electro" on Co2, then you've just ruined a perfectly good solenoid. Now if you're using a "hybrid" as the forum title says, then you're probably ok, but I'd buy a regulator over an expansion chamber ANY day of the week.

[reneirwolf878]

Just wondering, but where can you find a Palmer for $65? I've only seen them from $85+. If there is a place, pleas give me some linkage.

[BOB_IS_COOL]

ya some of us don't have $80 to spend on a palmer stabilizer. I most expansion chambers are a piece of junk. But I have seen an observed that the aci 6 stage expansion chambes do work. I have seen it like 5 times.

Lets see:
2 on a tippmann
1 on a spyder
and like two on black draguns.

These people used to dislike there guns so much but once they got these I wanted one.

Duh, the palmer is better. But also costs a lot more.
I'm going for a aci. End of story.

[bahverd]

$85 for a stabalizer?!?!?!?!??!?!?! I can a males stab. at my proshop for $65!!!!!!!!!!

Do you mean male or female stabalizer? That might make a difference?

Sorry I don't think they got a link, but as long as this is an opportunity to make money.... PM me if your interested in getting male stabalizers for say $75 + S&H

[reneirwolf878]

Im talking about nickel male palmers. And yes i am interested.

[bahverd]

Nickel is chrome right? Well they arne't chrome, there black.

[benzy2]

well i cant get a stab for 65 bucks like you so to me i would spend about 80 to get it. And to say you cant get a hps tank for 80 is a lie. http://store.yahoo.com/actionvillage/031-7110.html look at that. It may be small and heavy but it will still be hpa. I got my tank used for a steel 68 3000 for 60 bucks shipped. So i think that is a much better deal then a stab. Now if i could only get the scuba shop to fill it. I notice my x chamber keeps my gun from sweating when i have co2. The x chamber will sweat but not the gun.

Oh and i would put my money into a used horizontal maxflo over a stab. You can get those for like 35 bucks used and it will be very very nice. Dont count out the maxflo