hahahaha

[pbjunkie06]

today i was playing with 4 of my friends out in the woods... and during one game i thought about doing a dead mans walk just to see what they would do... so i get up start yelling at my teammate and casual start walking with my gun down ready to shoot ( my teammate doesn't have a clue to why im yelling at him) so i casually walk in the direction of the staging area walk within 10 yards of two players of the other team shoot them both before they even have a clue to whats going on

then after i did that we got in a big ole argument and all of that fun stuff because they didn't think it was fair.

what do you guys think about the dead mans walk
do you think its fair to do... do you think i was right to do it.. and do you think the other team was right for yelling at me about it
thanks for your time

[VeNoM]

There was a fairly big/good thread on this where everyone said how they feel about it and whether it was used wrong in the scenario given... I don't know, I personally would think it was kind of lame if someone did it in a rec game and it depends how many times and from how far I got shot... For the part, I would probably just say you were ghey and move on... It is fair to do if you don't say you are out or some how express your out but I still think its kind of SQUARE (lame).

[pbjunkie06]

yea it is for a rec game but i just did it to see how they would react incase i ever try it in a tourny...

[tryggerhappy]

I've done it once, at a local field, the ref laughed, and told me to stop it, technically I didn't do anything wrong, I got up with one hand in the air, as I was heading toward the exit, i shot some poor fellow reloading his hopper, then took the bunker next to him...Thats the only time I've tried it

[mork321]

Rec or Tournaments... it's still stupid.

Some people take Rec very seriously and like to enjoy a game, so what i usually what i do when I am reffing is I make it clear that if you appear to be out (by my judgement) then you are out. Basically it's called cheating in my book.

[bagabones]

You dont want to know what I think...:D

[mikek2111987]

yes i do.

[xLiLHockeyFreak]

ya honestly i dont like it, it basically is cheating because a big part of paintball is honesty, as in calling yourself out when you are, so others will not know where you are out or not, which makes it kind of stupid...

[punkerx1]

thats y one of the fields i play at have a rule......if they arent plugged or bagged...shot em....

and dam well, they do shoot u if u dont have your barrel condom on...happend to me, i forgot to put it on and got shot up.

[holyhandgrenade]

i think they are cheap and it is very sad if you have to do that to get eliminations, i guess theyre legal tho, dont be surprised if you get shot alot after your really out because you do dead man walks all the time and people think your in and you do cheap things so they cant tell

i personally dont like them because if i get shot and am walking out, i dont want a whole bunch of people lighting me up thinking im doing a dead man walk, getting hit in a game is one thing, but once your out, it just sux

[-=ReD-hAzE=-]

dead mans walk is a major no-no...

unless your some cocky bast*rd... then i'll light you up for it...and have fun doing it...

[Blazestorm]

I did it once... I simply walked out of my bunker complaining and shaking my head, didn't have my gun up or hand, didn't call out, they assumed, walk down the middle of the field and go to the exit, I take a bunker and decide what to do, shoot that guy than that guy than that guy... I walked over to the ref and told him what I was gonna do and he said "Aight... heh... just don't lightm up too bad" one shot per person, got the rest of the opposing team except for 1... the guy who shot me...

The other team was confused and my team was confused...

the ref said if you showed no signs of calling out and you simply walked down the middle of the field than be my guest, not our fault the other team is stupid... :laugh:

I think its totally fair, if you don't pay attention and this happens to you, your own fault... make sure he's hit, if you don't see a hit on him shoot him once in the hopper to guarentee it... the guy would would be like... ah poo... but oh well :)

It's the fact that you want to hold people back for having some balls in the game... you wouldn't do it so you don't want others doing it... I ask refs if I'm allowed to do dead man walk's they say " as long as you don't call out, raise your hand, or gun... than be our guest... its the same thing as walkin down the middle of the field... I've been asked if I was out while doing this I said, my revy's batterys died... god this sucks... I never said I was out, I simply said my revy died...

whatever :D

[pbjunkie06]

i think im agreeing with blaze... i think u are stupid if you fall for it

[The Terminator]

Heh, I started a thread like this awhile ago, except the guy who did it was just a straight-up cheater, he called himself out, and had both hands in the air, but proceeded to take me and 5 others out, and didn't even call himself out after he was gogged 2x.

I personally think that even when done properly, it is pretty lame, especially if done during rec-ball. If you get some newer players/newbies out via that move, they'll be very confused, and think that it's cheating. And if I see that people are doing it, I and many others won't trust anyone until I see a barrel plug/barrel condom on, and that will lead to bonus balling some people who were not doing anything wrong.

In a tournament, I'd have to say it's not quite as big of a deal, but it is still pretty lame, because obviously you have more important things to think about than making sure that everyone who appears out is out. Plus, this sport relies heavily on honesty, and the DMW is dishonest by nature... However, if you do pull it off during a tournament, it is always the people who were taken out via the move, and not the person who did it that get criticized/laughed at, so it shows that people except tourny players to know better than to mistake a "live" player for a tagged player.

[Sudden Impact]

that reminds me of one time at a scenario game...this little ******* comes up saying dont shoot while Im guarding this ammo thing...he has no gun so I just barrel tag him and make clear to him that he is out...he starts talking about he lost his wallet and asthma inhaler...so I put my damn gun down and start helping him look, then he hits me with a grenade and the ref still calls me out...I cant stand people that do stuff like that...

[xLiLHockeyFreak]

Originally posted by Blazestorm
I did it once... I simply walked out of my bunker complaining and shaking my head, didn't have my gun up or hand, didn't call out, they assumed, walk down the middle of the field and go to the exit, I take a bunker and decide what to do, shoot that guy than that guy than that guy... I walked over to the ref and told him what I was gonna do and he said "Aight... heh... just don't lightm up too bad" one shot per person, got the rest of the opposing team except for 1... the guy who shot me...

The other team was confused and my team was confused...

the ref said if you showed no signs of calling out and you simply walked down the middle of the field than be my guest, not our fault the other team is stupid... :laugh:

I think its totally fair, if you don't pay attention and this happens to you, your own fault... make sure he's hit, if you don't see a hit on him shoot him once in the hopper to guarentee it... the guy would would be like... ah poo... but oh well :)

It's the fact that you want to hold people back for having some balls in the game... you wouldn't do it so you don't want others doing it... I ask refs if I'm allowed to do dead man walk's they say " as long as you don't call out, raise your hand, or gun... than be our guest... its the same thing as walkin down the middle of the field... I've been asked if I was out while doing this I said, my revy's batterys died... god this sucks... I never said I was out, I simply said my revy died...

whatever :D


if i was out and got hit in the hopper i would kill whoever shot me there.... when i get hit in the hopper paint drips in my gun or a ball breaks inside somehow.....

[mork321]

hockeyfreak, for the ricochet, that happens...you NEED to get some sealent for that or else you'll keep on getting paint in your hopper. I'll Pm you later if you want to know what the stuff is called

[Ebonclaw]

I've done it in a tourny before. It came down to three on one, me being the one. With a loud exclamation of "CRAP!" I walked out of my bunker as the members of Flawless moved forward with the flagf for the hang. The ref asked why I called myself out and I said "I'm not out and never called it" and he said "oh" and left my armband on. I figured since my armband was on, the ref knew I was a live player. I had no hit on me, and gave no indication like a barrel condom or holding my hands up. As Flawless came around me, I brought up my gun suddenly and heared the crowd gasp. THAPTHAP! I fired two into each man to make sure they broke. The first went easy and I moved to the second one and put two balls onto him and moved to the third one, who had no idea what the heck I was doing. He and I were both about to shoot when the second man lit me up...turned out that both balls bounced, close range to my bad luck and he was still in. I then called myself out and proceeded to exit a VERY confused field.
The mess was sorted out. Despite spectators next to me, the opposing team, and myself all saying I did not raise my hands, the ref made the call that I did raise my hands in the air and give indication of my elimination. Of course, it didn't seem to matter to anyone my armband was still on. Flawless was given the max.
But Flawless later congradulated me on an excellent move in a tight spot....later one of their 'cockers went down and the captain finished the game shooting my electronic Shutter....maxing each game and laying down a wall of paint. They finished first with my 'gun performing perfectly for them and they are some of the best guys I know and deserved their first place finish.

So...in short....if you don't shoot a member of the opposing team that has an armband on, it's your own darn fault for being a frikkin idiot when he stitches you up because that armband is a BIG RED FLAG saying "LIVE PLAYER! SHOOT ME!".

[xLiLHockeyFreak]

Originally posted by Ebonclaw
I've done it in a tourny before. It came down to three on one, me being the one. With a loud exclamation of "CRAP!" I walked out of my bunker as the members of Flawless moved forward with the flagf for the hang. The ref asked why I called myself out and I said "I'm not out and never called it" and he said "oh" and left my armband on. I figured since my armband was on, the ref knew I was a live player. I had no hit on me, and gave no indication like a barrel condom or holding my hands up. As Flawless came around me, I brought up my gun suddenly and heared the crowd gasp. THAPTHAP! I fired two into each man to make sure they broke. The first went easy and I moved to the second one and put two balls onto him and moved to the third one, who had no idea what the heck I was doing. He and I were both about to shoot when the second man lit me up...turned out that both balls bounced, close range to my bad luck and he was still in. I then called myself out and proceeded to exit a VERY confused field.
The mess was sorted out. Despite spectators next to me, the opposing team, and myself all saying I did not raise my hands, the ref made the call that I did raise my hands in the air and give indication of my elimination. Of course, it didn't seem to matter to anyone my armband was still on. Flawless was given the max.
But Flawless later congradulated me on an excellent move in a tight spot....later one of their 'cockers went down and the captain finished the game shooting my electronic Shutter....maxing each game and laying down a wall of paint. They finished first with my 'gun performing perfectly for them and they are some of the best guys I know and deserved their first place finish.

So...in short....if you don't shoot a member of the opposing team that has an armband on, it's your own darn fault for being a frikkin idiot when he stitches you up because that armband is a BIG RED FLAG saying "LIVE PLAYER! SHOOT ME!".


lol....

Well anyways, I guess it all depends what type of game you are playing, what position you currently are at, and what field it is at to decide whether you think its right or wrong to do... like my field we dont pull arm bands or anything, we just call ourselves out and normally we should put on our barrel condoms, but not everyone does.... I would try it, but I have a feeling people might talk trash on me...

[Blazestorm]

Simply say "Not my fault you got shot"

:)

[Meph]

Easy, if you did not discuss it in the rules before the game, then you must assume it is NOT allowed! You do not assume it WILL be allowed!

That being said, if you didn't discuss that rule, then what you did was wrong.

If you did and they are just too dumb to listen to orientation, then you had every right to do it.

It's that easy.

[Ebonclaw]

WRONG. If it's not discussed in the rules, you have EVERY right to not only assume it may be done, but to stitch up a player with an armband on every chance you get. They don't want to get shot, that armband should be off. Otherwise, they either need to take up their getting shot with the ref that didn't do his job and didn't pull an armband, or blame themselves for not expecting someone to actually SHOOT at them if they have an armband on. You're not doing anything wrong when you shoot a player with an armband on. You're doing what you're supposed to be doing, putting paintballs on players that are showing themselves to be live.
If you assume that you're NOT playing deadman's walk, and someone does it, it's your own darn fault for getting your butt lit up by a guy with an armband on. ALWAYS assume a player with an armband on is live until he either:
a) calls hit
b) a ref calls him hit

Until then, keep dumping paint on him. You don't take chances in a tournament. One ball is not always enough with some of the guys I've played. An easy slide on their leg and that hit becomes a dusty spot on their pants. Tournament ball leaves no room for errors, leaves no room for assumptions. Shoot first, ask questions later or YOU will get shot by someone doing exactly what you "assumed" was not in rules and YOU will not be a happy camper, because the other guy "assumed" it WAS in the rules.
I don't see what's wrong with shooting a player with an armband on. It's really not that hard people. You point the gun at the idiot who didn't take off his armband, or is assuming YOU are the idiot, and you stitch him up.
I mean, really, the guy is holding a loaded paintball gun, on the other team, and has an armband on. What more reason do you need? A "don't fire unless fired upon" rule?
They don't want to get shot, they should make it VERY clear that they are out. Barrel condom, pull your own armband if you have to, but it's your own fault for walking across the field with a paintball gun and an armband on so you have no right to complain when you're fired upon. Go look at the vid on FoN of Exile Vs Naughty Dogs was it? Perfectly legal move, perfectly executed dead man's walk, because no one had the common sense to fire on a player that was wearing an armband, and on the other team, without a barrel condom, that had never been called out by himself or the ref.

[pbjunkie06]

Ebon is god
and he is also right

[Meph]

That's the difference between you and I. I do assume that if it's not in the rules, then I don't do it. Because I'm not about to cause some contreversial move just for a simple little elimination of a mean-nothing recreational game. I don't feel like pulling a move or doing something that'll do nothing but cause people to ***** and moan and complain about me doing that because the refs didn't cover it.

If you honestly think that an entire day of fun adventure on the paintball field should be ruined because of something like that when the other team "Didn't know it was allowed" then by all means, go right on ahead. But I prefer to enjoy my time and not piss people off. Because I'm giving advice to his woods-game, not about tournaments. That is an entire different aspect that you are covering that he didn't ask about. Two seperate game styles and situations.

Besides, either way I don't care. I will shoot anybody that is walking off without their gun in the air and a barrel plug in. So if it's discussed or not, I personally don't mind. I don't pull them anymore, and anybody who tries it on me are wasting their time!

[simon woodstock]

Rec ball-not cool. you are out when you make your self appear out.
tourney-do it up! you're out when the ref pulls your arm band.

the main reason i say no in rec ball is b/c once you start, everyone be lighting-up everybody walking toward the sidelines.

[Flanders]

werent u the one saying a few months ago when some like total sherwood nube but has defiatly played alot wiped and u were like cheating in a tourny is one thing because it's for a goal but cheating in recball just defeats teh purpase of fun

[Ebonclaw]

Ok, first let me say this. I never said shoot anyone with a barrel plug in. Putting in your barrel plug is a the exact same as saying "hit" by NPPL rules and any field's standards. If people do that, then you can either rest assured that they are not doing a dead man's walk, or if they do turn and shoot you then the ref will handle that since it's a UNIVERSAL indication of "out".
As is raising your hands.
I expect other people to do it because they WILL do it.
I expect a player who does not have a barrel plug in, an armband on, and on the other team to light my butt up if he's not making sure everyone knows he's hit.
Really, what's so hard about it? I mean, come on, if you don't want to fumble around for a barrel plug, then what's so hard about raising your arms and calling "dead man walking?"
What's so hard about pulling your own armband?
What's so day-ruining about getting hit with a paintball anyway? You don't play paintball if you don't wanna get hit. I'm not about to have myself made an idiot out of because I was too unfocused or unprepared for a dead man's walk.
If you are walking gun to your side, armband on, towards me, with no barrel plug, or not even muttering "hit", then that's a dead giveaway something is VERY wrong and I'll break a ball on you till you say you're hit.
There is NOTHING wrong with shooting a player with an armband on that isn't calling himself out or making it clear to people.
That's the RULE of paintball. You get hit, you let people know it, or it's nobody's fault but yours if a few insurance shots are taken.

I say it's common sense that if you get hit with a paintball, you show that you are out. It's also common sense that if someone doesn't have a barrel plug in, and is walking gun to their side with an armband on, he's trying something sneaky, and there's nothing wrong with an insurance shot. If people mind getting hit with a paintball that badly, then they shouldn't play.
You can fully expect to get lit up if you don't show you are out. I didn't come to my field and buy paint and air to have someone that I damn well know I should have fired on shoot me in the back as he walks past. That's my fault and my carelessness.

[Rugrat]

Well from a Rec ball point of view,

I would think that what you did was a cheap shot. I wouldn't get all bent out of shape about it if I got shot out because of it. HOWEVER, FROM THAT MOMENT ON IF THERE IS EVEN THE SLIGHTEST CHANCE YOU WHERE NOT OUT I WOULD RAIN PAINT ON YOU TILL I WAS SURE YOUR OUT. So if you don't mind a little over shooting and may be a few shots even after you say you are hit because I didn't hear you or see your hands up go ahead.