Kids these days...

[superlanny]

Why does everyone need a fast shooting gun...shouldn't we rely somewhat one skill, and not the spray and pray methodology. Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't the whole one shot one kill thing kind of a creed. I just think full auto is an excuse for not being able to hunt with the big men.

[DasBaldDog]

What kind of gun do you have? I am just wondering cause in my expierence it's normally the people who can't afford anything better are the ones complaining about hi-tech guns. I'm not saying ALL do it, just most are. Personally, I don't like playing with electros, yes full auto takes skill out of the equation but I don't complain. When it comes time to play, I just turn to the guy with the full auto gun and I say "Lock it into semi or you don't play". Full auto should only be playing against full auto in my opinion. (I should mention that I have 3 guns capable of full auto)

[superlanny]

I just bought my first gun for 15 dollars from a friend...a winchester durango. You're right about the not being able to afford one. I've got other things to spend my money on: guitars. I totally agree with you on the full auto against full auto thing. I just don't understand what the point is when me and five other friends are in a field about to begin and this kid luke pulls out some fancy sixteen round a second thing and tries to waste everyone when we have semis. It completely took the element of skill out. Say he sees a movement in the bushes. He doesn't need a well placed shot to take the person out. he just needs to open up and he'll most likely hit something.

[elTwitcho]

It's about increasing your odds of hitting someone. If a persons head is exposed for half a second, I'm gonna want to take as many shots as possible to increase my odds of hitting. A bullet is alsmot one hundred percent accurate. You can take one shot, and nail someone if an inch of his head is exposed. At 100 feet, you cant hit a square inch target with one shot with a paintball, because they dont fly completely straight. So you ned more shots. One shot one kill is a dream that was never (and will never) be realized. As for full auto, yes my gun can do it. I dont use it though, it's unsafe. As for 14 balls per second, yes my gun can do it, and yes I do use it. I do the math and I want to be able to have as good a chance as the next person to eliminate someone. I dont want to go into a tourney against 5 bushmnasters with a spyder, because I'm gonna be at a disadvantage, and I want every bit of help i can get. Just as anyone else would

[Hatebreed]

winchester durango... BA hahaha.... Well... i got my elcd to shoot bursts, Burst, Turbo, And Semi are allowed on my field and since almost everyone has good cockers, angels, shockers I needed it to keep up with the competition. The full auto is only used when i'm bored at my house. If I ever play someone I dont like at my house thats when 12 bps comes in handy :) I can shoot faster in 3rnd burst than auto anyway so it's kinda useless.

[Xander]

well said eltwitcho :D. I myself spend more money on other stuff than paintball (mainly mt biking) so I don't go out and shot 30 rounds each time I see movement(to much $$ for paintballs), I own a Piranha sts g2 (semi) and I can pull the trigger fast enough and don't see enough of a tatical advantage to spend a extra $200 on a elcd trigger to make my gun full auto. If people want to spend the lots of extra money on paintballs and a trigger than fine with me I really don't mind.

[Edited by Xander on 06-30-2001 at 02:08 AM]

[blake_sw]

I often think of it this way..everytime I shoot, there goes 5 cents. In rec games I won't bring my pods with me, I don't want to shoot more than 200 balls for a game that doesn't mean much. If I'm practicing then I'll probably do the same. I've improved my game by limiting the amount of shots I take. Plus my gun won't get up past 7bps :)

[Xander]

Thats my attitude also, plus that attitiude of mine also saves me from buying pods!!!! :D

[ry_goody]

Well, I bet all of you right now would like to start some kinda of paintball team, get sponsored, play in tournaments and win prizes like all the pro's do. Well pro's use electro, fast shooting guns (mostly). So anyone who ever wants to start a paintball team and possibly play in a tournament, to them electro is most obviously the best way to go. Cause if they do go in a tournament they'd want a electro or something as good. I know tournaments ban full auto, but with a electro gun you can shoot just as fast as full auto.

[elTwitcho]

Though, you CAN shoot fast and not waste paint. I can rip on the trigger quite well (if I must say so myself :) ) and I dont use more than a hopper a game. If you see someone stickin there head out, rip on em. If you dont have a good shot, dont bother wasting the paint. High ROF and paint conservation can go hand in hand

[abeaucha]

Good point. I like shooting fast, unless at newbies

[jfoust]

shooting fast is a waste of paint, id take a $150 gun and a boomstick or freak over a couple of full autos(there are a few i wouldnt mind having either)

[fate tempter]

im with jfoust- cause thats what i have

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by jfoust
shooting fast is a waste of paint, id take a $150 gun and a boomstick or freak over a couple of full autos(there are a few i wouldnt mind having either)

Why? The higher end gun is going to be more consistent (hence more accurate), it's going to be faster and it's going to be more reliable. So why would you take a 150 dollar gun over a more expensive one?

[ry_goody]

He is just trying to make a point.

[PetWoody]

i dont see why people to make threads that bash high end guns. That makes no sense what so ever. A high end gun is mainly for people who love the game of paintball and are looking to become more professional. A high end electro is alot more consistant than any $250 dollar gun with co2, its not just spray and pray at all. Some people are just so narrow minded, if u realy dont know what your talking about dont try and pull something out of your ***.

As you can see im kinda tickled by this thread, cuz i dont like people putting down things that make paintball such a wonderfull sport. And the fact that i put $1400 into my gun setup. ;)

[Richy_C]

Whine whine whine, ***** ***** *****, moan moan moan.
Honestly, does it make a gad darned differance whenb you accctually on the field? If it does then you need skill. The first time I played i managed to nail an impulse. Last week I saw a guy with an angel get greased by a couple of kids. In the end every on is going to hit every one no matter what you have. I duked it out with a timmy last week with my mag, and you know what? it was a stale mate, time ran out, niether of us used more than a hopper, that game was raw talent. A good gun will help, but if you can't manage a markers presicion to make it accurate than an angel or a talon, it ain't gonna matter cause you suck. So if you watch which bunkers all the expirienced players with good markers run to and try to avoid them, then you shouldn't play!

[superlanny]

Someone said something about buying a higher end gun to become more professional. Buying a higher end gun makes you a wuss. It's like my views on golf. Back in the day, there was no six inch wide big ****ing bertha. They used woods. And over the 70 years since then, the average drive has only improved by ten, maybe twenty yards. All the titanium cores and fiberglass shafts and everything just compensate for the growing wussiness of mankind. Kind of like a gun that shoots 14 bps.

[superlanny]

Someone else said everyone at their field had autocockers and angels and so they had to go high end. Do you want to fuunnel all the broke-*** people (such as me) out of the sport. If the only way I could compete was with a 600 dollar gun then I'd go play basketball at the park. I feel like I'm contradicting myself because now I'm saying it's only a money issue, but it consists much more of skill. Everyone here tells you they can take out an angel with their brass eagle or whatever other cheap gun they have, but if they can do that, why don't they rely on that skill and prove their talent instead of getting an electro and whupping on people.

"As you can see im kinda tickled by this thread, cuz i dont like people putting down things that make paintball such a wonderfull sport." As for that...I don't know about everyone else, but I'm not bashing the guns. I just want to know why people think they need them, and fawn over them like the bridge club over a newborn.

[lemonhead]

ya i am sick of it too it doesn't matter what gun you have as LONG AS YOU HAVE SKILL (and mabye a good barrel.)

[elTwitcho]

Because unfortunately or unfortunately, you have to be able to compete on even ground when you enter tournaments. There are people who can rip with a spyder, but that's the exception to the rule. I wouldnt want to have a tournament game on the line and have to be playing with a handicap. You say yourself that higher end guns dont make that much difference, then you say we're fuinneling people out of the sport. That wouldnt happen if the guns didnt make a difference. It does, and I'm not playing with a handicap against higher end guns. Maybe there is a lack of skill involved when a higer end electro goes against renters, but generally it doesnt go that way. People like you, who moan and complain about everything and nothing, and who think they're so good they don't need a high end marker are really what's wrong with the sport, not us. Don't get going with this superiority complex and let's try somewhat to get along.

[superlanny]

Originally posted by elTwitcho
People like you, who moan and complain about everything and nothing, and who think they're so good they don't need a high end marker are really what's wrong with the sport, not us. Don't get going with this superiority complex and let's try somewhat to get along.
What the hell are you talking about? I don't have any superiority complex about paintball. I was just repeating many of the things I've read. People always talk about how they beat angels with their spyders or whatever. Read through this thread. I never said I could go up against some electro death machine with my ghettoass winchester. And where did the "don't need a high end marker" come from. As far as I can tell, everyone who has dropped more than 600 dollars is a pro....or at least that's how alot talk.

[filasophikal]

"one shot, one kill..." I dream of the day when paintball is "one shot, one kill..." however unfornately a paintball can be unpredictable at times with the various factors like wind, barrel, paint, just to name a few. Its really hard for one shot per kill... because your first shot will be a doozy (hitting somewhere in the proximity of your target, while you re-aim, re-position your marker to the the spot that you think you can hit'em with your second shot. Most p-ballers unless they already know the field... can't hit someout unless there standing 20 feet in plain openview. I can understand your position on the "one shot, one kill" however, its really hard to get someone out on the first shot... based on the all the factors, and how different markers work for different people.

You ask us, why do we need to spend so much on an expensive paintball marker. First, read my story... i played paintball for 4 years, and started with rentals, two years ago, i got a sniper 2 pump, but within the last year... i bought my m98 with flatline... then my bl mill, then sold both and got myself an angel now... As we grow more fond of the sport, our skill level increases, and as our skill level increases we buy better more consistent, reliable paintball markers that cost alot of money. Hence, I still have my sniper 2 pump, so i can hone in on my skill of snap shooting better, and the ability of being conservative on paint and air. We all started with rentals once upon a time, but as we grow more fond of paintball... we buy our own markers. As we all get better, we want more and more out of our markers... better consistency, more reliable... better customer service from the marker manufacturer. I hope you understand what all of us is getting at. I am on a team, i play front/mid... meaning i don't use that much paint at all. And here, is another thing, when i had my m98 with flatline and bl mil... as i try to improve on both of guns like modifying it and trying to make it better, I came to the conclusions that I would save alot more money in the short and long term picture if i just bought an angel... there's not much you can on improve on with an angel... besides a compressed air tank (preset or adjustable), 12 volt revvy, and an aftermarket barrel (cp, dye, etc.). Also, when i bought my m98, i would have never thought i would be spending so much on a paintball marker, until now.

Also, I live californina where at paintball fields like s.c. village... where semi-only is the rules. I know of so many people who can shoot faster than full auto (including myself), so full-auto is pointless, I guess its just a novelty to have, even though i rarely use it at all. Now, i know you will have another question to ask, "why do you buy a full-auto gun if you can't play full auto????" (alot of people ask me the same question), the reason i got my angel is because i live like 20 min. from cobra paintball, and they have wdp-certified angel techs... it is that, that i own an angel... if i live near bob's shop... i would be owning a timmy. Its the fact, that i have angel techs working on my gun, and answering every angel question i can think of - its customer service. And with most high-end markers, custom markers that you get that kind of customer service.



[Edited by filasophikal on 07-02-2001 at 03:52 AM]

[Richy_C]

As for this people are becoming sissys bull, car gas mialage is getting better, so does that make those car owners wussies? My guns better than yours, but i'm also a better player (hypothetically). But i would probably still win if i was useing the marker you were, and if we traded current markers, i still think i could win. But if you scratch my annodizing, i'll kick your arse! ;)

[Richy_C]

Originally posted by superlanny
It's like my views on golf. Back in the day, there was no six inch wide big ****ing bertha. They used woods. And over the 70 years since then, the average drive has only improved by ten, maybe twenty yards. All the titanium cores and fiberglass shafts and everything just compensate for the growing wussiness of mankind.
Wrong again, the equipments gotted better, but the courses are harder to play now, same things with elctros and sup air/hyper ball

[JIVEN]

Ive gotta bring this up. This post is called "kids these days.." Its always the KIDS

[UTLadiesMan]

I bought a high-end gun because I was tired of my balls going every which way, and the inconsistency. I had a spyder SE, which is still a pretty good gun, but I play alot, and just wanted something better. I don't use more ammo than I used to. In fact I use far less. I average at about 200 a game. I used to average 300 with my SE. I like the accuracy and the consistency, not the ROF.

As far as "wussing out", name any sport. any one. Every sport has changed through technology. Even horse racing to some extent. The people that are serious about what they do, spend the extra money because they like nice equipment. That's the way it is. If you are poor, then sorry. But even with cheap equipment, paintball is expensive. That's just the way it is. Don't bi7ch to me about it. I've been on both sides, but now that I have more money, I'll buy the good equipment. Most of you who are bi7ching will probably have good equipment some day too. I had to wait until I got a real job (well, internships aren't a real job, but well paying none the less). But I still am nice, and I still am humble (as long as you quit bi7ching to me). I let people borrow my gun for a game or two. I use their rentals. I don't care. I paintball to paintball. I like paintball, and that is the reason I buy a $900 gun, $450 tank, and everything else that's nice, not just because I have some 'inferiority complex'.

[FSU Paintball]

Some of those guys annoy me. It's not the people who have high ROF, it's the rich little boys who never used a pump, or even a mid-range Semi-Auto, and went straight to an electro. They don't even fire just when they should, they just hose paint at any bunker, whether or not they can hit anyone, whether or not anyone's even IN the bunker. Those are the people who piss me off. If you really want to impress me, move some, and show some real skill.

[schuss]

I wish I had the money to waste on a nice cocker or angel, it would be cool. I don't, but I'm not bitter about it, as I enjoy my 'ranha and I enjoy upgrading it. We always want the top of the line, which means great ROF in this case. We all want the Ferrari, but we make do with our honda's and dodges. I'm currently working on honing my accuracy and snap shooting abilities, as well as my perception and awareness on the field. I used half as much paint in my last big game as I did at the two previous. I simply didn't have the money to waste on paint, so I adapted, as we all do to our situations. If a guy can afford an angel, be happy for em', even if they're not too nice. Just be one with the world and bunker them, and show them where the real power is, if you are concerned.

[superlanny]

Originally posted by Richy_C
Originally posted by superlanny
It's like my views on golf. Back in the day, there was no six inch wide big ****ing bertha. They used woods. And over the 70 years since then, the average drive has only improved by ten, maybe twenty yards. All the titanium cores and fiberglass shafts and everything just compensate for the growing wussiness of mankind.
Wrong again, the equipments gotted better, but the courses are harder to play now, same things with elctros and sup air/hyper ball

Uhhh....I said nothing about the difficulty of any course. I said a drive. A straight shot, nothing with courses or anything. How did paintball get harder...

[lemonhead]

actually i tottaly agree with you but some people need those guns because they play in tourneys but the people that just buy those guns are full of crap.

[Hatebreed]

Originally posted by superlanny
Someone else said everyone at their field had autocockers and angels and so they had to go high end. Do you want to fuunnel all the broke-*** people (such as me) out of the sport. If the only way I could compete was with a 600 dollar gun then I'd go play basketball at the park. I feel like I'm contradicting myself because now I'm saying it's only a money issue, but it consists much more of skill. Everyone here tells you they can take out an angel with their brass eagle or whatever other cheap gun they have, but if they can do that, why don't they rely on that skill and prove their talent instead of getting an electro and whupping on people.

That would be me who said that, and guess what, paintball relies more on the gun then skill!!! When your team has all spyders but loads of skill vs. all dark angels and little skill your still going to lose! And at my field people with great guns have skill!!! Most people with good guns have lots of skill that's why they get guns so they can peak their performance!!! I think your just mad because some guy with an angel shot you a s s up last time you played!

[blake_sw]

Gotta agree w/ Hate..to a certain degree. I agree that more SERIOUS paintballers who play tourneys and are more skilled have expensive guns.
But then you got these little dip sh*ts, 10 yr old kids who have Angels, Bushys, Cockers...how did they get it? Birthday gift from Mommy! I can't stand it! I personally go outta my way to bunker these rich little farts.

[DasBaldDog]

My town FINALLY got a paintball store. We did have one like 3 years ago but they closed due to the husband/wife who owned it divorcing. Back to the point, I believe that (judging from history in this city) that the Angels and Bushy's will flow through this town like water as soon as the preps figure out this place is open. It opens in two days, I give this town a months before there is paint everywhere and since I am one of two well known players here in town, I'm BEYOND POSTIVE that I will get blamed for MUCH more than my share.

[DasBaldDog]

Hey Hatebreed.
The second to last quote in your sig should be "The knight who until recently said Ni". That is my favorite comedy movie........period.

[DraXsuS]

i have a spyder, i would love to have a cocker or electro, but i 15, im starting to work, ill get more money pretty soon ill...,


So because i have my spyder, i dont bash electros,

People who bash are just jealous, (in my opinion)

[superlanny]

Driving doesn't usually have that much to do with the overall hardness of the course if it is a straight drive. For your point to work, courses would have had to have gotten shorter, further reinforcing my point.

[krasher]

To whoever said that they can't compete with high end guns because they don't have the cash- You don't need the cash! Sometimes its fun to whip out a PGP and better your skills. Saying your equipment sucks is just an excuse non-skilled people use.

[abeaucha]

I say if you can win with your spyder use it. But The thing is if you are playing someone with equal skills, whoever has the better gun will win. It is about improving your chances of winning. I right now own a 75 dollar gun, and I think big whoop if they have a better gun. If your that easilly funneled: Bye. I am saving up until christmas to get a matrix. You all are just jealous

[Splash]

I have a almost tricked bob long mellennium, my team competes in turnies, we all merly have blowbacks,,,carbines, piranhas and spyders.
and we seem to keep up with all the compitition, so maby its just us but it doesnt seem to matter to our team,, because they all huck the paint the same speed,,,,

BTw i can rip 11 with my new trig job...:P

[sniper1rfa]

my friend got a mag (before that he had a f-4 for like 2 weeks) so it was basically his first gun. i rocked his ***. i still can only its easier cause i have a cocker so my velocity isnt +/- 15 fps.