14 BPS MY @SS

[Tanasovich]

I think it is funny when people say their guns shoot that fast because a ball can only fall so fast since most guns use gravety fed hoppers a ball can only fall 11.8 bps i read this on warpig. so dont say any thing about how you set your gun on full auto and shoot 14 bps because when you put a electronic gun on full auto it automaticly turns the bps down to 9 on most guns. and i went to this fastest gun shoot contest and the fastest was 12 bps with no hopper or balls on the gun. I know because they were using a angel LCD and it shows the number of bps echived.

[elTwitcho]

You sir, are so very very wrong. Your HOPPER feeds at an average rate of about 11 bps. Gravity, feeds at aproximately 30. What is between your hopper and your marker? IF YOU GUESSED HIGHRISE, YOU ARE RIGHT!!! Give the man a prize!. A vert feed high rise will feed at the rate of gravity, which is 30 balls per second, and as long as you have paintballs in your highrise, you will be able to shoot at over 14 balls per second.

[elTwitcho]

Still think it's funny?

[Tanasovich]

damn i think i **** my pants. (j/k) but still no one can shoot that fast. especially those E-spyders 20 bps hahaha.

[elTwitcho]

I can do twelve and a half (firing for exactly 10 seconds with a timer and then looking at my shot counter) and I can consistently do 12 and a half, so it aint a problem gettin it that fast. I've still gotta work on both my finger and settin my trigger right so I can do 14, but I'll get there

[elTwitcho]

And as for the EM1 (I think that's the e-spyder you mean) it can CYCLE at 20 bps, but you are correct, after the feed tube empties and the gun relies on the hopper for feed rate, it does break paintballs. For the first 5 shots though, assuming you arent running and boucning the gun around, 20 bps seems doable. The gun has too much blowback though and wont allow paint to feed fast enough though. An angel can probably do 18 with a vaccum feed for the first 5-7 balls, then again, it would run into problems with ball chopping. That;'s why we get anti chop eyes I suppose :)

[Thead]

what about a spyder/piranah/whatever with an elcd triggerframe? What could they pull off?

[elTwitcho]

I dunno I havent really tried. They can still get going pretty fast, the only problem being that there is so much air being blown back up the feed tube that it slows down the rate at which the balls feed. Still, they pull off a pretty decent ROF

[Thead]

oooh i missed one of your posts there... you can do 12? Geezamon, i doubt i could do 5.

[Tack]

I have herd this argument alot, "no one can shoot 13 bps bla bla bla." I have to disagree. There is a player on our field that has an Angel that can shoot 16. I know this because he was put over a counter. I myself outshoot my 12v. revvy every time I play. If I am not mistaken the 12v feed at around 12 to 13. That means I am sooting at least 13 with a bench mark 2x on my mag.

[SPYdre]

i've personally seen 14 done

[The Billionare]

I can shoot over 400 bps. You all just don't know the secret. It's like that movie, Crouching tigre, hidden diablo!

[blake_sw]

I once got 11.7 (I think it was 11) bps on a defiant...wasn't in a game, I was just fooling around. 14bps, that's NUTS. I doubt I could get my Mill past 5 bps. All I need is 2-3bps.

[Xpert Rifleman]

Almost anyone with a semi electro can shoot 10+ bps.

[RanchDip]

Just shooting regular (with my palm firmly on the grip), I can get an easy 8 BPS not even trying. If I try, I can get ~10-12. If I walk the trigger, I can get 15 BPS, but at that point my 12v starts to crap out and I just dryfire.

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by Tack
I have herd this argument alot, "no one can shoot 13 bps bla bla bla." I have to disagree. There is a player on our field that has an Angel that can shoot 16. I know this because he was put over a counter. I myself outshoot my 12v. revvy every time I play. If I am not mistaken the 12v feed at around 12 to 13. That means I am sooting at least 13 with a bench mark 2x on my mag.

12 volts feed at about 9 on average

[Richy_C]

It's easier to shoot really fast while not in a game, because you can assume any position you choose. Many people aren't so lucky behind those tiny speedball bunkers. And once you pass 7 bps, its only a matter of skill, thoe other 6 balls aren't going to matter.

[tsr]

13 bps = .40 per second. Money well spent shooting at nothing.

[Thor the Mighty]

yeah, there is no point in having a fully automatic gun! there just isn't!

[Hatebreed]

i can get over 10 with 3rnd burst. With semi i cn prolly get 6-8bps. Of course my hopper cant feed that fast but the counter says so.

[SEPHIROTH_086]

I have shot 12BPS with my Spyder that the most ive shot in a second but I usually shoot around 10BPS, but if you wanna hear a sh_it load of cr_ap Brass Eagle says their new gun the Avenger can shoot 20BPS and its only a blow back semi da_mn Brass Eagle trying to rip off people by saying lies!!!!!

[FireViper]

I don't know what the big deal is any way about shooting fast; 9bps is good enough for me; lets say you have an electro on full auto at 9ps and hold down the trigger (or can do trigger pulls at a constant 9bps); for just 10 sec. is 90; at 30 it's 270 why you would stand there that long is beyond me but that's alot of paint more than in your hopper unless you have a custom one or feed your guppies into it

[Codestar20]

14 bps is crazy. If a person does need that much paint in so little time then they probably really suck at paintball. Shooting that fast does nothing to help your game.

[Jake]

Hey Sephiroth unless you have a BOO-YAH on your spyder which you don't list on your sig then you did not come any where close to 12bps it is maybe possible to do 5 with a trigger job. Yeah the advantage of a higher ROF to the people who said "they don't understand why you need to shoot that fast" is snap shooting in speedball. When you lean out of your bunker for 3 seconds or so you have to be able to get more then 6 shots. While a player may be able to shoot 14 on the range he likely can't do it on the field so he's probably shooting 7 bps on the field. That means if he leans out his bunker for 2 seconds it is possible to shoot 14 ball in his time leaning out. This is helpful especially for front players who don't get to hang out of the bunker all day.

[spray_and_pray]

im up to 9.4

[FSU Paintball]

MY automag can shoot at 235.381 BPS, so I don't wanna hear ANYTHING else! :D

[SEPHIROTH_086]

Hey Jake trust me I have shot 12BPS I know the dudes at mt paintball store and i was messing around seeing how many bps i could shoot and the highest I got was 12bps but I usually fire 9-10bps, but trust me dude I can shoot that many, and yes I dont have a boo yah trigger frame.

[Hsuve]

Originally posted by SEPHIROTH_086
I have shot 12BPS with my Spyder that the most ive shot in a second but I usually shoot around 10BPS, but if you wanna hear a sh_it load of cr_ap Brass Eagle says their new gun the Avenger can shoot 20BPS and its only a blow back semi da_mn Brass Eagle trying to rip off people by saying lies!!!!!
The Avenger probably can cycle at 20BPS. Warpig did some testing on Spyders, and through testing, it's possible for them to cycle at 40+BPS. Not sure if there's any shootdown or such though...
Jake: Bah, eLCDs are not needed at all. I, personally, think I shoot at 8-9BPS. Somebody that I talk to fires his Spyder, with a Benchmark trigger frame with trigger job, can fire at 11BPS. Sure sounded slower than I can shoot, but through some sound program, he found 11 "jumps" in sound in one second. Now I'm thinking I'm probably shooting 12BPS or more... I really dunno, I'm gonna send him a sound clip to see how fast I really shoot. Seconds are actually pretty long if you think about it. One Mississippi, two mississippi, thr...
*Hsuve walks off counting seconds...

[Jake]

You may be right but I would have to see it to believe it. Why do people pay 1200 dollars for angels when you can get the same ROF from a Spyder. Just remember it is 12 balls per SECOND, not 2 or 3 seconds. It may seem that you are firing that fast but without electric assistance it would be very hard to get that ROF. It just seems pretty hard to believe.

[Hsuve]

Yes it is, I didn't really believe it... Here's the links that the guy gave me, looks like he was shootin' at 11BPS...
http://www.olentangypb.com/teamcontrol/1.wav <--Sound clip
http://www.olentangypb.com/teamcontrol/pics/11bps.jpg <--Pic
Anyways, most people still feel that with an Angel, they can shoot faster. Most likely, they can, but again, most people count seconds too quickly... For us Spyder users, we have to strain ourselves to achieve great rates of fire, such as 12BPS. With an Angel, all you gotta do is lightly tape the trigger 12 times quickly...

[Richy_C]

No spyder on earth can do more that 7 bps, and IT DOESN"T MATTER! was it meant to? no? should it? no, was it designed to? NO! Fire as fast as you can into a recorder, send the sound byte to me or twitcho, and we'll tell you haw slow you shoot

[SEPHIROTH_086]

Dude will you people just believe me I have shot 12BPS with my Spyder!! If I can record it I will and I will post it up A.S.A.P so that you guys see that im not lying!! But you will see that I can shoot 12BPS with my Spyder just believe me!!!

[PBSouLjAh]

i seriously, highly, extremely doubt u can get 12 on a spyder unless u are like some freak of nature. say 1 mississippi. u think u can fire 12 rounds that fast with a spyder?! with tlplus84's trigger job, maybe u can get around 7, but 12 is very unlikely.

[Lemonjello]

with and angel on semi, i can EASILY get 16 bps. I swear. But then again, i dont even have an angel, so im sure that people can get way faster. My friend (owner of the angel) say i have a SICK finger though cause he can only get 11 hehe.

[QuicksilverXE]

achiving 14 bps is not really that hard..i mean most smi trigger pulls are really light...but the averge is about seven..

[Key]

My friend's got an Angel(s) (only one's an LCD) and the first time I picked the thing up, just dry firing the thing I was able to achieve 11bps, mind you he's got a mouse click trigger pull. After doing many mods to my gun, and countless hours of tinkering, my guess is I could get my TL+ up to about 6-7bps. I would have to say that it is highly unlikely anyone would be able to get these double digit bps rates on your spyders. But that's just me

[jizz186]

i have a tippmann 98 custom, 12v hopper, and rt kit, and dont say i cant get 14 shots and over in real life because i can. just right now i did it again to see if i wasnt just imagining last time. i put 14 balls in my hopper, turned it on, cranked up my rt(because of course i dont shot 14+ shots during a game, thats stupid), and fired away. i ripped all the shots before i could count to one. i know thats a little inacurate since someone elses counting to 1 could be a little different, but let me tell you i can RIP shots with my gun, and if any of you say that all it is is a paint blender your lieing to yourself. its just as accurate and i have yet to bust a ball since ive had my reposnse trigger(and i have done heavy testing, gone thru about a case just messing around). the key is buying quality paint(PMI, RPS), non of that wall mart ****.

[Richy_C]

too bad that can't be true, it takes time for the hopper to activate, spin, deavtivat, spin again, so your gun won't chop. Dry firing with the RT set to stupid, i think a baboon could but, until i hear an un moded sound clip, i don't even want to hear 7 out of a blowback owners mouth

[Hsuve]

LOL! I can easily achieve 8BPS with my Spyder, and if you actually clicked on the link I displayed, it was 11BPS. You people clearly count seconds way too quickly...

[Richy_C]

these people are talking mechanical, not booyah

[Hsuve]

I, too, am talking about a mechanical trigger.
http://www.teamspyder.com
That website has a video clip (Dunno if it works anymore, haven't downloaded it in a while...) showing a guy shooting a Spyder from 9-10BPS, no electronic trigger frame.

[Richy_C]

What about average people, no one gives a flying about what the gun can do, it's what it does that counts

[Hsuve]

What...?

[Jake]

Thats kind of what I was wondering.

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by Hsuve
Yes it is, I didn't really believe it... Here's the links that the guy gave me, looks like he was shootin' at 11BPS...
http://www.olentangypb.com/teamcontrol/1.wav <--Sound clip
http://www.olentangypb.com/teamcontrol/pics/11bps.jpg <--Pic
Anyways, most people still feel that with an Angel, they can shoot faster. Most likely, they can, but again, most people count seconds too quickly... For us Spyder users, we have to strain ourselves to achieve great rates of fire, such as 12BPS. With an Angel, all you gotta do is lightly tape the trigger 12 times quickly...


That pic does not show 11bps. If it is the duration of one second, the last one barely gets off in time. There may be 11 shots in the duration of the second, but there is not 11 cycles. If you were to shoot for more than a few seconds, it would average out to less than 11, probably about 10.2, by looking at the down time.

[filasophikal]

sorry that sounded like 8 bps... spyders can other blowbacks can only fire up to 8-9 bps max... why? so much kick... that for every 1-2 cycle it hiccups... if a spyder was a purely pneumatic, with no kick at all its possible... but that is why people buy electronic markers.... no kick. spyders except an em-1 can't shoot 20 bps... or 40 bps... its just not possible with the way a mechanical spyder is designed.

[Hsuve]

Not exactly sure if there is, or where the article is, but I heard from someone that Warpig did do testing on how fast a blowback marker can shoot, ended up being 40+BPS... Spyders will not "hiccup" every 1-2 shots, I can go on for some long time without it burping, sputterin', or whatever. Yes, Spyders can shoot at 10+BPS. If you hook up an eLCD and set it to 15BPS, it will shoot that fast. That just shows the possiblity of shooting faster than 8BPS. Sure, it's harder with a mechanical trigger than with an eLCD, but it's still possible to achieve high rates of fire with a Spyder, over 8BPS. Spyders really don't have so much kick, unless you have a really weak arm...