Brass Eagle is trying to rip people off A MUST READ!!!!

[SEPHIROTH_086]

Da-mn Brass Eagle is lying by saying that their new blow back semi "The Avenger" can shoot 20BPS is that a load of cr_ap or what well it looks like Brass Eagle is trying to rip people off again by saying lies, give me your responses.

[Thead]

way to post the exact same thing in two threads.

http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=10655

[Edited by Thead on 06-30-2001 at 06:04 PM]

[Ded]

yeah, spyder says their TL plus can shoot 12 bps but i think that's with a machine pulling the trigger or something. It's physically impossible for a human to pull a stock TL at 12 bps.

[DasBaldDog]

I think what they meant (and you ignored) is that the gun can CYCLE at 20 BPS (although that is kinda high for a blow back). My most jacked-out cocker (my Evolution custom) can cycle around 25 times per second but that is in a lab enviroment with a computer controlling the firing cycle.

[Silent Knight]

where did you see that? the brass eagle website says that the avenger tops out at 10bps!!!


Anyhow when they say that, they are refering to the cycle speed of the gun. you will never be able to shoot that fast without the aid of electronics. Anyways it doesn't really matter how fast a gun can cycle, it's a matter of how fast you can pull that trigger can you pull your trigger 20 times a second (for non electro guns)? I highly doubt that!

[PiranhaPro]

A human FINGER probably cant shoot 10 bps, but a blowback can EASILY do 40 bps, if only they could be fed that fast. So yes, it IS possible

[fate tempter]

um PiranhaPro. you go shoot 10 balls a second. HAHAHA

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by PiranhaPro
A human FINGER probably cant shoot 10 bps, but a blowback can EASILY do 40 bps, if only they could be fed that fast. So yes, it IS possible

No, it cant cycle at 40 bps. The valve will not flow high enough to provide enough air to recock the marker after a certain amount of time, AND the time it takes for the hammer to move forward, reverse directions, go back takes longer than 1/40th of a second.

[PiranhaPro]

I got my info straight fro warpig, may i ask where you got yours?

fate temper, i never said I could shoot 10 bps, can you read?

[elTwitcho]

I got my info straight from jesus christ himself. Unless you post a link saying "straight from Warpig" does not mean a god damn thing. I've owned a spyder I know it's capabilites. And you're trying to tell me, that guns with lightened internals for faster cycling such as an angel or automag, which top out in the 30s for maximum cycles is somehow magically slower than a Spyder? Take the sear out of your gun, pull back the hammer and let go. That is the guns maximum cycle rate and it's nowhere near 40 cycles per second. Or how about, "Why does my gun stop recocking if I do this?" because the valve doesnt flow high enough to keep the gun going. You ask where I got my info, it's called common sense, try it sometime

[lemonhead]

FACE IT COMPANYS LIE BUT JUST STAY AWAY FROM BRASS EAGLE THERE ONLY GOOD GUN HAS BEEN THE STINGRAY BUT THE REST SUCK

[PiRaNhA69]

anyways while you all are talking about the avenger my walmart carrys it and i looked down the feed and the bolt was like sqaured.

[Richy_C]

theres only one valve that can keep up past 20, thats the RT, but ***** all you want, i don't care, this argument is pointless

[PiranhaPro]

Originally posted by elTwitcho
I got my info straight from jesus christ himself. Unless you post a link saying "straight from Warpig" does not mean a god damn thing. I've owned a spyder I know it's capabilites. And you're trying to tell me, that guns with lightened internals for faster cycling such as an angel or automag, which top out in the 30s for maximum cycles is somehow magically slower than a Spyder? Take the sear out of your gun, pull back the hammer and let go. That is the guns maximum cycle rate and it's nowhere near 40 cycles per second. Or how about, "Why does my gun stop recocking if I do this?" because the valve doesnt flow high enough to keep the gun going. You ask where I got my info, it's called common sense, try it sometime

Touchy? chill out man, im not looking for a fight, i found that info on warpig(im looking for the link) they used high speed photography to do just what you said, let it sputter, and they claimed they clocked 40 bps.

there is no need to be an *** about it, you can argue a point without looking like an idiot. You just saying stuff doesnt mean a god damn thing either, its a f*cking online message board, dont get so uptight. I'd be pissed seeing this come from a member, but from a MOD? Your supposed to represent this place the best way you know how, and that was FAR from it.

Common sense? So, bahsing on people who make one small comment in a thread is good common sense? I think not.

[Edited by PiranhaPro on 07-01-2001 at 01:30 PM]

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by PiranhaPro
I got my info straight fro warpig, may i ask where you got yours?



When you accuse me of talking outta my @ss, you shoulda expected to take some flack from me

[PiranhaPro]

That in no way was accusing you of anything, I was honestly asking where you were getting that from. You need to have more trust in the members, I was not being an ***, I was asking a damn question, and you flip. You should have the most tolerance for people in this forum, being a mod and all. Relax, its a forum, and it was a friendly debate until just a few posts ago...

[Edited by PiranhaPro on 07-02-2001 at 10:28 AM]

[DraXsuS]

El Twitcho, is right, try shooting your gun the fastest u can, We are telling u that the air will not flow fast enough.... and your gun will go crazy...

[FSU Paintball]

If you need to shoot 20 BPS to hit someone, then something's wrong with you.

[paintballer56]

b e is full of ****....

[sniper1rfa]

THIS IS THE GREATEST GUN I HAVE EVER HAD, INCLUDING MY COCKER, RT AND ANGEL. ITS MY TRICKED CUSTOM E-STINGRAY!!!

http://www.pbreview.com/fpics/sniper1rfa070701170038tricksting

[ß㣣阮îç ™]

hahaahh what a POS. you just took random pictures and pasted them together to make it look like a gun hahah..

anyways if you people belive that a BE product can shoot 20bps. you deserve to fall victom to their lies..

[sniper1rfa]

arguably the ****tiest gun on earth made ****tier

[PiranhaPro]

Originally posted by MajSpyder
El Twitcho, is right, try shooting your gun the fastest u can, We are telling u that the air will not flow fast enough.... and your gun will go crazy...

First off, YOU are not telling me anything, you mearly agreed with him.

Originally posted by ß㣣阮îç ™

anyways if you people belive that a BE product can shoot 20bps. you deserve to fall victom to their lies..

Sorry bro, a BE gun will shoot just as fast as any other blowback on the market, and if a loader could feed 20, the BE gun would shoot 20 just like a Kingman, Tippmann, or PMI will.

[ß㣣阮îç ™]

no why it isnt possible, the matrix cant even shoot 20bps. and your telling me a POS BE can shoot 20bps. na he** no.

[Super Nick]

Yes, the Matrix can shoot 20 bps. The person pulling the trigger can't shoot 20 bps.

[ß㣣阮îç ™]

you moron it maxes out at 16.7bps......

[PiranhaPro]

A blowback can cycle 20 bps, its impossible for anyone to pull that.

I did read on warpig (look into the above posts) a blowback can cycle 40bps, however, after reading through twitch's posts he makes some very good points, and i dont belive it will cycle at 40, but 20 seems doable...

[Super Nick]

Originally posted by ß㣣阮îç ™
you moron it maxes out at 16.7bps......

Where did you hear that?

[Edited by Super Nick on 07-08-2001 at 01:59 AM]

[ß㣣阮îç ™]

cause i own it i think i would know how fast it will shoot.

[sniper1rfa]

the matrix could, without the electronic limiter and with enough air flow and a fast enough recharge, could cycle at (this is a guess) maybe 30-35 bps. but unfortunatly, at that rate, you will waste your hopper in 5.7 seconds, if it could feed that fast. a blow back could probably cycle 20 bps, but you aint ever gunna see it happen.

[abeaucha]

I second 16.7. And no way a blowback could do 40

[krasher]

Originally posted by sniper1rfa
the matrix could, without the electronic limiter and with enough air flow and a fast enough recharge, could cycle at (this is a guess) maybe 30-35 bps. but unfortunatly, at that rate, you will waste your hopper in 5.7 seconds, if it could feed that fast. a blow back could probably cycle 20 bps, but you aint ever gunna see it happen.

You guys are just pulling numbers out of your arse. The matrix can't cycle that fast man, there is a reason its limited to 16.7.

[ß㣣阮îç ™]

not just the matrix, but every gun has a limit for a reason. but people tend to not think alot in these forums, they just blab things out...

[krasher]

Originally posted by ß㣣阮îç ™
not just the matrix, but every gun has a limit for a reason. but people tend to not think alot in these forums, they just blab things out...


So true.

Anyways, with the low pressure and high dwell of a matrix, and then with the low bolt pressure with a trin...

Well, lets see, there is a total dwell of 25 forward 25 back minimum at 16.7 bps. That is .835 of a second. Now, that doesn't even take into acount the time it takes for the bolt to travel forward and back again. So, sniper1rfa, want to rethink that?

[ß㣣阮îç ™]

heheh burn...... krasher what do you have your dip switches set to? e.g. u,d,u,d..?

[krasher]

I have the cypher chip, but my dwell is at 35/35, or 14.3 bps...and that is u/d/d/u

[ß㣣阮îç ™]

oh i didnt know you had that. what exactly is the differance. is it fireing modes? i havent read anything that?

[krasher]

yup, i have 15 modes :D

[ß㣣阮îç ™]

thats cool... what is the best mode?

[krasher]

I just use semi lol. But the turbo modes are fun.

[ß㣣阮îç ™]

lol. sounds like your getting your moneys worth. :)

[elTwitcho]

His bolt doesnt stick. His maroline explodes though, but the bolt moves nice an smooth

[krasher]

It almost took my bloody finger off! Well, at least it got her attention, you know who I mean.

USE THE STOCK MACROLINE FITTING KIDS!

[elTwitcho]

She kiss it better? If she did, did you tell her your belt buckle exploded too?

[jfoust]

good one twitch

[elTwitcho]

Yep, always the smooth talker

[krasher]

Originally posted by elTwitcho
She kiss it better? If she did, did you tell her your belt buckle exploded too?


No, she sucked it better.

[elTwitcho]

I'LL KILL YOU! SHE'S MINE!

[jfoust]

cant we all just get along?

[ß㣣阮îç ™]

who are you two talking about now?? :confused:

[sniper1rfa]

i mean, just flat out taking the matrix internals and making them go as fast as possible. dwell is a LIMITER, remember.

[w00twoot]

i can shoot my cocker 14 bps thats about it my trgger pull is so light you can blow on it and it shoots its ****ing cool even though it cost me 100$