A-5 or Custom 98

[wowcool]

hey
which do you prefer? which would be better for a rec ball only, 2 times a month pballin kinda guy? which has better price-performance stats?
thanks

[_Big_Mad_Dog_]

im probably wrong but it seems like all the A5 is a 98c with a force fed hopper on it. there are a few other minor differences like a removable grip frame on the A5, but i'd go with a 98c and upgrade it however u want with the extra $100+ u save

[_Big_Mad_Dog_]

also, check out the internals at tippmann.com, u can see that theres really not much of a difference at all, mainly the built in hopper and removable grip frame on the A5, normally i would say go with a 98c and save the $$, but now u can get an A5 with rt installed for like $250, which would definately be worth it, since the hopper alone would be around $70-80, and then the rt is like $80, so u end up saving

[CaptHowdy]

I agree go with the 98C. The A-5 was just simply made as a marketing gimmick.

[tonysk83]

find an a-5 w/ rt on ebay, they go for cheap liek 260, thast well worth it

[a-5 player]

get the a-5 way worth it

[-=ReD-hAzE=-]

get a 98c... they're more compact...more upgrades... and don't look like a 3 legged mongoose with a reg on it...

[Cadet2005]

From my experiences (and it is somewhat limited) the A5 is more of a gas hog courtesy of that wonderful feed at the front...you run an RT on that and you're eating up that much more gas (it is all pneumatic if you don't know what I mean) so I recommend the 98C and if you play once or twice a month it is more worth it in woods because you don't necessarily need compact if you're going to lay out and paint somebody up...try 'em both out and see, they are one in the same outside of the A-5's ugliness in my view.

[greatonekyle]

i would go with the custom. i have a custom and 3 of my friends have a-5s. all of them regret getting one and are working on selling them for customs. they dont seem to work well for woods or in cold weather but just my opinion. and the custom is cheaper which is always nice, especially if ur only going to play two times a month.

[legendaryloser]

a-5

[ChrisHatesBRETT]

I say the A-5. The post about being gas hogs isnt true. The Hopper and Response both run off of excess air so there for it doesnt use more air its acutally conserving it in a way. The A-5 w/ response may seem like your using more air but thats just because your going through alot more balls in a short amount of time...As for the cold weather it does chop like crazy in the cold but I put on a remote line and it works fine now in the cold for the remote acts as an "expansion chamber" and keeps the liquid from getting in the gun..... thats my .02

[roadw2000]

If you already have a 98, keep it, if this is your first gun, go for the a-5 with response trigger. A-5 w/ response trigger, $260. 98C -$125, Revie(even though the cylcone totally blows away a revie) $45, RT -$70, Vertical Adapter $30. Also everyone says it is just a 98 with a Cyclone, I disagree, it fixes a lot of the problems the 98 had, like the A-5 is field strippable, and I like that when I disassemble it I dont have to mess with all those little pins for the trigger and such. I did a test with a stock 98 c and stock A-5 with 9 oz tanks. I got about 4 and a half hoppers out of the A-5, while the 98 did almost 3 hoppers. I can go into every little scientific detail why the a-5 is not a gas hog, but I dont have time.

[Zesty]

If you don't plan on upgrading AT ALL, then go for the M98C. But if you plan to actually play more often, go for the A5. Simply put, you can maybe get upgrades to make the M98C comparable to the A5, but it will cost much more money and you'll still require batteries and you'll still have an inferior gun. Go for the A5.

Zesty

[RedBeret]

totally A-5 man... they dont chop and they have a high ROF... 98s are too hard to make shoot fast, and well i like the cyclone feed... i play with a spyder 99 w/ a revvy 12v and the xboard and it didnt load anything when the hopper had less than 50 balls in it...

[Cadet2005]

So it's field strippable: so what? If you have to clean it in the field then that means it is not going to sustain a lot of play...If you are like me and time is not exactly your best friend, a 98C is much better for it will work clean or dirty...oiled or unoiled...one year, cleaned once (taken apart I mean) and has not malfunctioned yet. Chopping balls? Only when I use my RT which I don't because I play conservative.

Also, about getting 3 hoppers I use a nine oz and am always putting more paint than the guy next to me with the A5 before we have to "regas"...That was based on my experience, not science that is fine on paper but not always 100% in the field.

Also, if it has that much excess gas to operate that crap, BOY is it inefficient.

As for the 98C being inferior, no, depends on the player...

[roadw2000]

Field strippable comes in handy when you're like me and like to take care of your gun no matter how dependable they are. The A-5 is every bit as dependeble as the 98, but if I get paint in the gun I like to clean it out inbetween games since the A-5 is field strippable.

[e99_ShArPsHoOtA]

Get the A-5 dude....the feed system is great...you can fire as fast as you possibly can with A-5, and its more accurate

[-=ReD-hAzE=-]

and how exactly is it more accurate..?
a m98 with a nice paint/barrel match...will be just as accurate as a a-5 using the same paint/barrel...

the gun alone doesn't make it more accurate...
regulators and paint/barrel matchs make it accurate...

[gotmilk4]

-the 98 has more upgrades available since it has been around longer.
-its cheaper
-its the same gun, only without the cyclone system, just get a revvy or similiar.
-dont get the RT unless you want to spray and pray
-your friends that you play with might not like the fact that you have an RT and they dont (unfair)
-buying the a-5, which is only a marketing gimmick (CaptHowdy), will only tell tippmann this : ''YES, you can make a duplicate gun, charge twice as much, as long as you give it a cool name and make me feel that its better''
-the m98c was tested to 20bps.
-the a-5 was tested to 24bps
-youll never need to go that fast, if you do, you dont need a faster gun, you need more skill!!
-everyone knows how to work on a 98, cant say the same about an a-5
-because i said so! :laugh:

[DeeEight]

One advantage the 98c has is the e-bolt kit will convert it to
a FULL electropneumatic while the A-5 only has an electronic
grip frame available, so its still just an inline-blowback.

[SaVaC]

Cadet2005 The valves are increadably inefficient!

And thats y you can power an rt system and the cyclone feed.

It's just like when people thought that just becouse you had a rt kit on your M98c that your useing more gas, and thats a joke, we all know that the rt kit dosnt take any more gas then what a stock gun does, and it's the same with the cyclone feeding system, it operates on the left over gas from a shot... :eek: OMG! that means that it's not consumeing extra gas to operate? what is so hard to understand about that? do any of you people who think it's a gas hog actually know how much extra gas there is just to get a paintball to the right pressure? There is no way any gun on the market can be 100% gas efficient, hell i'd settle for 50% but most markers are far below even 50% gas efficient, and the more things you add that run off the extra gas the more efficient your marker becomes on gas. kind of a backwords idea from a noob's point of view isn't it?

If i had the money i'd go with an A-5.

I already have a M98c and i love the thing to death, but if i could afford it i'd add an A-5 to my collection with out a question.

A-5's are more than just a 98 with a feed system.
They are actually quiet cool, they have a built in vertical adapeter, built in barrel adapter, swapable trigger frame, and all sorts of other cool features. Tippmann actually build a good marker that dosent need as many upgrades as the 98 becouse it comes stock with a lot of "upgrades" that are out for the 98.

No need to flame eachother over 2 different Tippmann markers, They are made by the same company, and are both very wise marker decissions

But i must agree with the irony of an electronumatic 98 and a Sear Tippin A-5 :crazy:
But i'm sure with time Tippmann will see the error in that decision.

[ttccmm123]

got the money get a-5 but if not just get custom 98. a-5 isn't hat much better but is is good with responce trigger bbut got the moey go for it

[CockerKiller520]

I used to have a brass eagle samurai, then the blade when the samurai broke and i tried to weld the bolt together...anyway i saved my money for the GT commando 3 then i realized i could get somthin like a cocker or a mag, but i got the A-5...it is very impressive, i have a flames drop, cp on/off, and a cp 12" barrel, i agree that it is not the barrel that is accurate, but yet a combonation of paint, barrel, and the strike of the bolt...The A-5 is plenty accurate, you need no spray and pray tecniques, but if you only want to play once or twice a month, then i'd say go with the 98 c...there are more upgrades...or if you like the A-5 and the 98c....then WAIT!!!!! TIPPMANN IS COMING OUT WITH A 98 C WITH CYCLONE FEED ON IT!!!! damn now how cool will that be??!!! a 98 c firing at 24 bps...with a flatline! lol! i gotta see that!


i once had a rabbit...
he didn't float too well:D

[Zesty]

Originally posted by Cadet2005
So it's field strippable: so what? If you have to clean it in the field then that means it is not going to sustain a lot of play...If you are like me and time is not exactly your best friend, a 98C is much better for it will work clean or dirty...oiled or unoiled...one year, cleaned once (taken apart I mean) and has not malfunctioned yet. Chopping balls? Only when I use my RT which I don't because I play conservative.

Also, about getting 3 hoppers I use a nine oz and am always putting more paint than the guy next to me with the A5 before we have to "regas"...That was based on my experience, not science that is fine on paper but not always 100% in the field.

Also, if it has that much excess gas to operate that crap, BOY is it inefficient.

As for the 98C being inferior, no, depends on the player... Any way you look at it, the A5 is superior to the 98C. Just cause the A5 CAN be field stripped doesn't mean it has to, it is just as reliable as a 98C. Let's see: A5's exclusive features(from the 98C):Cyclone feed, enclosed cocking, field strip pins, removable barrel threads, built-in VA, lower-profile, and STILL cycles much faster than a M98C. How is that not inferior? BTW, I own a m98C and wish I had gotten the A5, which I will.

Zesty

[gotmilk4]

Originally posted by Zesty
Any way you look at it, the A5 is superior to the 98C. Just cause the A5 CAN be field stripped doesn't mean it has to, it is just as reliable as a 98C. Let's see: A5's exclusive features(from the 98C):Cyclone feed, enclosed cocking, field strip pins, removable barrel threads, built-in VA, lower-profile, and STILL cycles much faster than a M98C. How is that not inferior? BTW, I own a m98C and wish I had gotten the A5, which I will.

Zesty

i dont consider 4 bps 'much faster,' especially when its a difference between 20 and 24 bps, those extra shots are just useless. ive had my gun (98c) for months, the only time i take it apart is when im putting in upgrades or when i get shot in the hopper and it drips down into the front bolt. oh yea, thats right, the 98c has a ton of upgrades available. do the math, why pay more for a gun that looks like a real gun (and around here thats NOT a good thing - cops already dont like paintball guns), with the only real advantage is the cyclone feed. (tippmann had to make the a-5 incredibly inefficient in order to be able to run BOTH an RT and the cyclone feed on only excess air...GAS HOG) the built in VA and the removable barrel threads are pretty much useless, i mean how many times do you have to change the velocity on your gun. theres atleast 100$ difference between the 98 and the a-5. thats 100 bucks you could spend on a nice hopper. (have fun trying to find a replacement for the a-5's custom hopper when it breaks). but its your money, waste it how you want.

[SaVaC]

gotmilk4 Just for the record the a-5 is just as efficant on gas as an 98... just becouse you dont like the a-5 dosnt mean you have to flame the hell outta it. It's people like you that make me wonder y you won a tippmann in the firstplace, sure the 98 is a good marker, but the a-5 is the latest and greatest tippmann, give them time and they will have just as manny upgrades available for the a-5 as they do the 98.

i'll talk a tricked out a-5 anyday, and it's built in feed system is better than any other hopper available on the market today, all becouse it prechambers, no other marker does that.

I'm sorry you dont like the a-5, but from any logical view the a-5 is superior to the 98.

[gotmilk4]

sorry, didnt mean to flame, but thats just the way i feel - that the a-5 is simply a marketing tool and not an original gun. im dissapointed in tippmann for doing something like that.

[E r y k]

but what if you dont want the bulky cyclone feed?? i dont even know why they are coming out w/ a flatline for it... i thought the flatline was unique for the 98's just like the cyclone feed is unique for the a-5s.

[xavier678]

i believe that tippmann effect switched back from thier a-5s to 98c's, if that is any suggestion of quality.

[E r y k]

yep they did...

[greatonekyle]

the flatline already is used by more than jsut one gun, the other being an autococker( which looks horribly retarded on the cocker) just so you know....

[Zesty]

Originally posted by gotmilk4


i dont consider 4 bps 'much faster,' especially when its a difference between 20 and 24 bps, those extra shots are just useless. ive had my gun (98c) for months, the only time i take it apart is when im putting in upgrades or when i get shot in the hopper and it drips down into the front bolt. oh yea, thats right, the 98c has a ton of upgrades available. do the math, why pay more for a gun that looks like a real gun (and around here thats NOT a good thing - cops already dont like paintball guns), with the only real advantage is the cyclone feed. (tippmann had to make the a-5 incredibly inefficient in order to be able to run BOTH an RT and the cyclone feed on only excess air...GAS HOG) the built in VA and the removable barrel threads are pretty much useless, i mean how many times do you have to change the velocity on your gun. theres atleast 100$ difference between the 98 and the a-5. thats 100 bucks you could spend on a nice hopper. (have fun trying to find a replacement for the a-5's custom hopper when it breaks). but its your money, waste it how you want. Dude, I own a M98c too. Fairly tricked. If I had to do it over again, I'd get the A5. By the way, "VA" means Vertical Adapter, and it is not "useless". That's just another $20 your saving by not getting the M98C. I agree with you that the M98C doesn't really have to be taken apart at the field, but niether does the A5! It's just A LOT easier to do with the A5's quick strip pins. Removable barrel threads aren't important? I beg to differ. When I buy my A5, I'll be able to buy a $10 adapter and use my 12" AotoSpirit, 12" AllAmerican, and 8" BigShot(when it's out for the 98C) on my A5. How is this not an advantage? Your right, the price difference between the A5 and 98C is $100. Figure that the Cyclone costs $50(IMHO, it's worth WAY more). The difference is now $50. For those $50, you're getting:(1)Quick strip,(2)built-in VA($20),(3)removable barrel threads,(4)enclosed cocking(at least $30 for rear cocking), and (5) lower profile. If that's not worth the extra $100 to you, that's fine by me. But it really is the smarter purchase any way you look at it.

Zesty

[Zesty]

As far as a broken A5 hopper, it's pretty easy to get a replacement. JUST CALL TIPPMANN! Done.

Zesty

[xavier678]

Originally posted by Zesty
When I buy my A5, I'll be able to buy a $10 adapter and use my 12" AotoSpirit, 12" AllAmerican, and 8" BigShot(when it's out for the 98C) on my A5.

well, dont get your hopes up, i dont think that there is a breech adapter for the m98c will be out because the barrel threads are too wide to fit in the A5 breech.

[Zesty]

^^Who told you that? I see M98 adapters for the A5 more than any other type of adapter for the A5. What do you mean too wide?

Zesty