M3/Pi Trouble Shooting

[markee151]

Im making this thread because so many people bad mouth black draguns because they dont know how to maintain their guns. Black draguns are like cockers and require alot of maintenence(sp?). Heres a few things to do before you freak and throw away your Dragun:
1. Replace the battery.
2. Replace ALL o-rings.
3. Clean and dry your bolt assembly COMPLETELY, remove all oil and put a fresh coat of oil on.
4. Turn up the regulator pressure.
5. Find out if your gun is chopping or breaking. Take off the barrel. If there is still paint being broken when shooting with no barrel, there is a problem with blowback, or the bolt. Get a forcefed hopper, or a new bolt/spring kit. If it dosent chop, get a new barrel or paint.
6. If your velocity is low, adjust regulator pressure and velocity.
7. If your velocity is spiked, replace all o-rings. Or better yet, invest in nitrogen. It is a wise descision and it can be used for future guns.
8. UPGRADE! Forcefed/adjitating hoppers, Aftermarket barrels, regulators, bolts, a nitrogen tank/antisiphon tube. All these things will greatly increase performance in your gun. Check out the upgrade threads.
9.Also check out the m3 website for great videos on how to's and stuff www.m3paintball.com
Im out of ideas for now so if anyone has any, feel free to add. Im just trying to avoid useless posts and quick solve some questions.

[kaibutsu]

good thread mang!!

Don't forget about the sear adjustment and the movies that can be found on the M3 Homepage (http://www.m3paintball.com/video.html)

[Hobbs32]

Hey, great thread, one question, how do you turn up the regulator pressure on a stock M3 sniper?

[cocker kid 2k2]

There should be a screw on the side of the reg, turn it in to increase the pressure, turn it out to decrease pressure.

[kaibutsu]

The tech articles on Pukin Dogs paintball (http://pukindogspaintball.com/) are awesome. The Blowback basics article is really good.

[Synchronium]

everything about troubleshooting is here http://www.ottersccustoms.com/trouble.html

[xunkn0vvnx]

I have a black dragun basic where do i adjust the regulator
??? I am shooting low FPS... i mean like it drops after 30 feet

[MuffinMan14]

the basic ....dont have a reg.try increasing your velocity.

also, i thought the reg screw was suppose to be in less pressure, out more ? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[DeadlyDuck]

I have a BD Basic, and it has this mysterious thing attached to the dropforward, with a gauge on it... :laugh:

[MuffinMan14]

sorry i was thinking of a compact .:crazy:

[jdp72]

Originally posted by MuffinMan14
the basic ....dont have a reg.try increasing your velocity.

also, i thought the reg screw was suppose to be in less pressure, out more ? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

MuffinMan14,

I have a PI-E2 (with an adjustable regulator on order) how do you increase the velocity? By replacing the springs, or is there a screw somewhere?

[ghetto-rat]

hi. i need a little help here with my "new to me" dragun. i bought it from a guy on paintball classifieds. he said it was a 2003 black dragun led and worked perfectly. i got it about two months after i sent hilm the money and the drop forward and bottom line were ripped off. the expansion chamber was still there with this hose hanging from it. he said he bought it aftermarket and was hooking me up. i checked up on it and it was the stock chamber. anyways, i took the chamber off and scewed the tank in and loaded some paintballs. it fired pretty good for about 30 rounds and then nuthin. no click no chop nothin.i figured that the sear wasnt pushing the selenoid back enough for it to go forward. i stretched the sear spring a tad and it worked fine for a while. then wen i went to actually shoot someone it would do that again. what is happening to my marker? is it that i dont have the chamber on it? it fires fine when its just co2, but with paint it malfunctions. any help would be much appreciated.

[GoalieKeg14]

Originally posted by ghetto-rat
hi. i need a little help here with my "new to me" dragun. i bought it from a guy on paintball classifieds. he said it was a 2003 black dragun led and worked perfectly. i got it about two months after i sent hilm the money and the drop forward and bottom line were ripped off. the expansion chamber was still there with this hose hanging from it. he said he bought it aftermarket and was hooking me up. i checked up on it and it was the stock chamber. anyways, i took the chamber off and scewed the tank in and loaded some paintballs. it fired pretty good for about 30 rounds and then nuthin. no click no chop nothin.i figured that the sear wasnt pushing the selenoid back enough for it to go forward. i stretched the sear spring a tad and it worked fine for a while. then wen i went to actually shoot someone it would do that again. what is happening to my marker? is it that i dont have the chamber on it? it fires fine when its just co2, but with paint it malfunctions. any help would be much appreciated.

You got it from a Paintball Classifieds website eh? It sounds like you got ripped off but I'll help you as much as I can. One question before anything else, why didn't you send it back to the guy if it didn't come as described??? Anyways, you should try adjusting your sear inwards a little bit (loosen up the sear set screw and then turn the sear screw in about a quarter turn). After you adjust it in try to fire and if it still does the same thing, turn it in another quarter turn again. If it starts firing again, lock the sear set screw down again and your done!! If that doesn't work, Let me know.

Dan

[joeballer]

Originally posted by markee151
Black draguns are like cockers and require alot of maintenence(sp?).

HA...HA....HA again...Neither one of those require a lot of maintenence. ANY Gun is going to require the steps you provided.

I would like to add that replacing the cupseal will help stop leaks close to the barrel.

[BlackdLCD]

GOOD STICKY, cause of all of the recent problems that people are having, and they could look here instead of trashing m3, and their products. Then they might figure out the problem with some research, instead of just selling their gun, and buying something else.

[ghetto-rat]

i called the guy a couple times and he played crazy. i decided to leave well enough alone ecause i didnt want to get screwed worse. at least i got what i payed for. i will try your suggestion later. i dont think my parents will like me blasting co2 at 3 am :)

[commandman10]

when your gun is mis-firing, adjust the sear. have had many problems with the sear and solenoid.This usuallysolves the problem.

[ghetto-rat]

i did that and tested it. i blew a whole 20 oz and it didnt hang up. when i started playing with it, evreything went fine untill i shot abouit half a hopper. i had to point the gun up and smack it to get it to shoot. it did this evrey couple shots.
if i had a manual it probably would be easier. :(

[DeadlyDuck]

Either it's an old battery, or it just doesn't have enough amperage.

[ghetto-rat]

i think i know whats wrong with it. i took off the grip frame and fired some air (about a whole 20oz) and noticed that the little arm on the selenoid wasnt going far enough back. this explains why i had to point the gun upwards to get it to fire. is there a spring that goes with the selenoid arm or if its the amperage, how do i fix it? i changed the battery and hit the board with some duster. i know its probably something simple but since i never got the manual i know nada about this thing.

[samis13]

Heres my problem, and my solution.
Problem:
I put in a new battery, it works for about 300 shots normally. Then sometimes it wont fire. turned up the reg, put in a lighter spring, nothing works.

Solution:
Adjust the sear. make sure the screw goes into the frame more. Better yet, take off the side panel, and screw it in while you watch the solenoid. when its all the way forward and you can feel that you need to turn harder, make it go in just a little more. then screw in the screw on the side of the frame that keeps the sear adjusting screw from moving.

[GoalieKeg14]

Here is something I discovered as I was inspecting my marker:

I saw something that could solve the problem with people that have double feeding issues, and burping problems. First thing, the ball detent is a ball bearing, and I was having some double feeding problems recently, so I decided to take apart my ball detent. The problem was caused by dried paint inside of the detent making the ball bearing stick to the back of the wall inside. The problem was solved by just getting a piece of wet paper towel and rolling the ball bearing around and wiping it down and then I oiled the inside by pushing the ball bearing in and applying oil and it worked like a charm.


Next thing is the sear,


When I took apart my trigger frame yesterday, I noticed that where the sear is connected to the frame (with the retaining pin), there is quite a bit of friction between the sear, frame, and pin. When I actuated the sear when the trigger frame was off the gun, I noticed a scraping sound and that the sear wasn't jumping back quickly enough to its proper recocking point where it catches the striker which obviously ment friction between the sear and the trigger frame. So some of you might want to take your sear out and sand the sides of the sear down where there might be friction and then oil it too. That might solve some recocking problems for some people. I am personally going to do this as soon as I can (next week) because I have a job, I have SATs and three hockey games tomorrow so I am quite busy. Another thing is that your sear spring might have no more bounce to it anymore so you might want to consider getting a new sear spring.

Hope this helps out a lot of people,

Dan

[ghetto-rat]

i think i figured out why my dragun is sick. the solenoid doesent seem to be going all the way back far enough to hit the sear. is there a spring, oring, or anything in the solenoid that i may have missed? should i oil it? and is there anyone out there that has a manual? i kinda really need one.

[GoalieKeg14]

There might be something jammed in the solenoid. Take it apart from the trigger frame, BE VERY CAREFUL, and the moving part of the solenoid should just fall out. See if there is anything jammed in there, and then put it back together.

[ghetto-rat]

i have it apart and its just two pieces, the electromagnet and the solenoid arm.

[samis13]

take the grip off and watch the solenoid, is this what happens?
When the solenoid is as close as possible it works fine, when its as far away from the black round body as possible, it works, but once its in the middle it doesnt work?

[ghetto-rat]

thats the problem. i tried to make a spring to push it all the way back all the time, but didnt have any clearance. im thinking about tapping a tiny set screw on the end of the striker so it makes the arm longer. any ideas?

[samis13]

yea i had this problem
heres what you do:
take off the grip where you can see the lcd. then screw in the solenoid screw on the back of the grip frame, watch it while you screw it in, before you screw it in push the back of the solenoid plate in as far as it will go without you having to hold it there, then screw the screw in all the way up to the back plate, and watch the screw push it just a tiny bit farther in. then lock it in place with the screw on the side of the frame where you are looking up on the top left side.

[ghetto-rat]

you push it to the back?

[samis13]

push it up toward the solenoid body

[ghetto-rat]

i did that and it dosent do anything now.

[samis13]

loosen it some, keep loosening the back screw 1/4 of a turn till it works

[ghetto-rat]

looks good. im going outside to field test it. wish me luck.

[ghetto-rat]

grr. same thing. it shot most of a hopper and then it started firing only every other trigger pull then not at all unless it was pointed strait up.

[ghetto-rat]

i am guessing that the set screw is coming loose. if i put lock tite on the screws, would it work?

[samis13]

yea just make sure it doesnt get on the electronics