Does a Spyder have a chance against a Flatline 98 ?

[Intimidator]

I was in the 4 sale Forum and someone thought a Spyder would kill a Flatline 98. I think they are close to the same in the brush, no mater what barrel the spyder has. I also think that the Flatline 98 can win the game for the team, if it is placed by an out in the open flag. What do you think?

[Intimidator]

Looks like im right!

[elTwitcho]

At the distances a flatline fires, there is no reason you should get shot, you ahve plenty of time to get out of the way, so a Spyder should just get in close and then they're on equal footing. Although the flatline has a nice straight trajectory, which is a bonus

[adVanCedSh0t]

The Flatline sucks thats just my opinion. It shoots great and all just when my brother got his i shot it i didn't like the feel. The Spyder can take out any gun. Just like a tippmann (without flatline). it can take out mags and autocockers. anything you can think of it can do.

[SmartBall]

Flatlines aren't that good, or as good as they say they are... i've shot one, and well i just wasn't impressed with it.

Yo intimidator dude-I just got a bob lang gun and i LOVE IT! it's awesome! i got a flatline (well just read it.) kit and i'm looking to get more. Whats your setup like? do you use a Max Flow?

[Intimidator]

I use a boomstick, vigilante reg. with 4500psi 68cu PMI Pure Energy tank and a Viewloader Revolution 12 volt. I just bought most of this today.

[Predator2]

I too heard that the Flatline barrel isn't that good. And its true that by the time a paintball reaches you from the range of the flatline you can just duck out of the way and for Spyder vs. Flatline Tippman. No Diff. just the player.

[Intimidator]

No, You heard wrong. I have hit people at about 150 feet, and they could not do any thing about it. How can you hit the guy if you can't get close enough to him?

[Predator2]

Well then the people you hit from 150 feet away were prob. not that experienced to know that when they here a pop that are supposed to get cover as soon as possible. Anyone can sit there and snipe if the guy doesn't move.

[Intimidator]

When you go through 600 balls a game (15 min) like I do, you will hit them at some point!

[Predator2]

thats very true unless you have absolutely no idea what you are doing.

[Intimidator]

Ya well-a, there are a lot of angry painted people walking out when I am guarding the flag. :)

[Richy_C]

predator! that's my avatar man! come on, no one likes havin their avatar stolen! hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Creek]

600 balls a game,in a rec game.man thats alot of waste it sounds too me.I have never really seen a flat Line used but dont you like aim down some.

[Keikan]

How does the Flatline work anyway- Ive actually seen one on a cocker at a page (Damn ugly too).

[Richy_C]

intimidator, i think you've got your head pretty far up you *** to be sayin you win all the time because of your gun, i know a kide w/ a 3 year old stingray and he takes out just as many people as those with standard non plastic blow back, i also know a morron with an auto cocker who not only can't shoot ****, but is nearly the first one out every time

[RedWidow]

Sure the Spyder may not have the best distant accuracy but can definatly over power a flatline how does that thing shoot? man,I think it sucks, but what kind of spyder are you talking about now??

[Intimidator]

Ya I aim! I like to cover my guys on the field. I also only walk out 1 out of 6 or 7 games.

[MP879]

600 balls per game is really way top much for one game...I usually use 600 balls per DAY.

[Intimidator]

Originally posted by Keikan
How does the Flatline work anyway- Ive actually seen one on a cocker at a page (Damn ugly too).


A flatline has a bent barrel that puts a back spin on the ball when shot. The back spin helps the ball stay up longer.
It does make your marker loud. That is why it is not the best gun for up close snipers. Stay back and your cloths will be paint free.

[Intimidator]

Originally posted by MP879
600 balls per game is really way top much for one game...I usually use 600 balls per DAY.

Well you know the longer you are in the games the more paint you use. Most people have to think how much paint cost I don't care about it.

[Eladamri]

Flatlines are great in rec games under certain conditions. A friend of mine has one and what he usually does is team up with someone with a fast, accurate gun. He lays cover fire for the other player and they usually do pretty good at taking people out. The flatline isn't the greatest barrel in the world but it does have its uses.

[adVanCedSh0t]

The Flatline is ugly on every gun. It even looks ugly when its not on a guy too. Some people say its good and others say it sucks i agree it sucks big time. But if your skilled and have the right paint then its good.

[Intimidator]

Originally posted by adVanCedSh0t
The Flatline is ugly on every gun. It even looks ugly when its not on a guy too. Some people say its good and others say it sucks i agree it sucks big time. But if your skilled and have the right paint then its good.

I think it looks cool when it has the cover on it. The cover also makes a good handle, makes it feel like a 22 or something.

Personally I feel that both are great guns for a beginner to start out with. They are both very reliable and can take alot of abuse. I'll compare the flatline with a spyder compact 2k. The sypder is great because there are literally hundreds of upgrades you can do to it. Anything you can think of can be modded or changed someway. The stock barrel kind of sucks but I use a Taso Eliminator and the accuracy is superb. Other than that my gun is pretty stock and it can compete with most other guns.

The 98 with the Flatline is also a very nice gun. The gun itself looks pretty cool and I like how you can actually aim down the barrel. There are few upgrades you can do to the gun unlike the spyder. The Flatline barrel is accurate and it is true that it shoots paintballs farther than other barrels. As the paintballs fly 50 ft. farther than other barrels the accuracy is pretty nice.

When it comes down to choosing between the two guns, you need both on the field. The flatline can stand out in the open at the end of the field and give the people with the spyder's cover fire.

[Edited by Andrew on 02-24-2001 at 08:38 PM]

[elTwitcho]

600 a game aint that bad depending on what you're playing. I'm lookin at 500 a game for skyball and that's going light. Then again, in rec you see alot of people just wailing on a bunker where a guy is safely behind and you just gotta ask "Why?"

[adVanCedSh0t]

Flatlines suck the spyders can beat them anytime. Ya maybe in brush they are equal. But like say in speedball or such other games flatlines will loose.

[Intimidator]

Originally posted by adVanCedSh0t
Flatlines suck the spyders can beat them anytime. Ya maybe in brush they are equal. But like say in speedball or such other games flatlines will loose.

Ya ok buddy, I played speed ball about once a week with the Flatline, and I found it to work great. I could stand in one corner and hit any other corner I wanted. This range helped me take out a couple people right at the start of the game. This gun helps the team!

[NickR]

Intimidator is obviosly a newbie who thinks his M98 is all that. The M98 w/flatline is probibly THE most overated thing on the market. If you need a flatline barrel its because your to damn scared to get in range of the other person because you know that they'll woop your @$$ the second you are in range.

[Intimidator]

Originally posted by NickR
Intimidator is obviosly a newbie who thinks his M98 is all that. The M98 w/flatline is probibly THE most overated thing on the market. If you need a flatline barrel its because your to damn scared to get in range of the other person because you know that they'll woop your @$$ the second you are in range.

Stupid! You just said that with a flatline you are out of the range of other guns. See it does have a advantage!

[Counterfeit]

Originally posted by Intimidator

Stupid! You just said that with a flatline you are out of the range of other guns. See it does have a advantage! [/B]

Cool it with the flames buddy.

[Intimidator]

Originally posted by Counterfeit
Originally posted by Intimidator

Stupid! You just said that with a flatline you are out of the range of other guns. See it does have a advantage!

Cool it with the flames buddy. [/B]

There is a thread with a title "WhAt An IdIoT!!!!!!! "
That is ok? What you pist-off at me?

[Counterfeit]

The what anidiot thread is not directed at a member.

You on the other hand flamed another member by calling him stupid. That is violation of the rules.

[Intimidator]

Originally posted by Counterfeit
The what anidiot thread is not directed at a member.

You on the other hand flamed another member by calling him stupid. That is violation of the rules.

I hope he is not a member. Do you know for sure he is not? I belong to other FORUMS. Plus a lot of people called him "*******".

But I will quit.

[NickR]

Intimidator realy blew all his money on junk. An M98 /flatline will cost you at least 200. Probibly more. With about 230 you can get an automag.

[Intimidator]

I'd give you my opion but that got me banned. Glad I have a lot of IP's

[NickR]

What are you talking about andrew?

[Cory]

Flatline would win. Unless it is damp outside...Then it sucks.

[NickR]

Flatline sucks. At the range that you fire it from, the person would have time to see the ball and duck before it got to them. The only people you would hit are the retarded first game newbies who sand in the open. Spyder would win by far. You wouldnt be able to hit the spyder before it got into range and nailed your camping(sniper) @$$.

[Batman]

The flatline fires VERY far but however if you want range you probably want accuracy thats a no no with a flatline. Think of it this way: you see someone far away look at your shiny flatline and say hmm.. you take a shot the ball passes him but dosent hit you do the spray and pay mode you see balls going all over the place. so whats the point of distance without accuracy?

[Counterfeit]

Originally posted by Intimidator
I'd give you my opion but that got me banned. Glad I have a lot of IP's

Wrong there buddy. Andrew only has the power to ban.

[SmartBall]

Originally posted by NickR
Flatline sucks. At the range that you fire it from, the person would have time to see the ball and duck before it got to them. The only people you would hit are the retarded first game newbies who sand in the open. Spyder would win by far. You wouldnt be able to hit the spyder before it got into range and nailed your camping(sniper) @$$.

First off that made as much sense as a blind man playing paintball(no offense to any blind people out there).

Second- How would you 'see' the paintball coming? at a rate of 280 fps, any things hard to see. But, what if you had your back turned, or the guy snuck up to the side of you? then he'd have a clear shot of your sorry little ***, and you wouldn't see it coming, would you?

Third- Newbies are retarded, and it's people like you that call newbies retarded that chase 'em away form the game! we need the newbies so our sport grows!

Forth- "Spyder would win by far. You wouldnt be able to hit the spyder before it got into range and nailed your camping(sniper) @$$", What the heck do you mean by this?????
I'm trying to figure it out! How would a "spyder win by far"? It doesn't matter what gun you have! It matters whether you can even hit the stinken guy! You not a sniper just because you stay in one spot! Speed ball is a great example! I play back, and i stay back there covering my guys up front. Ocansionally i move forward, but i don't need to! But, I'm still not a sniper! So use your words more specifically!

OK, NickR, I may not be able to understand half the stuff you say, but, just from reading it, you don't sound very organized. Keep your facts straight!
Peace Out

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by SmartBall


Second- How would you 'see' the paintball coming? at a rate of 280 fps, any things hard to see. But, what if you had your back turned, or the guy snuck up to the side of you? then he'd have a clear shot of your sorry little ***, and you wouldn't see it coming, would you?



I can see em coming if I'm looking at the guy (ie. trading paint with him), but usually if someone is shooting at you, you're poping up and shootin then gettin back so quick, that you dont look for paintballs :)

[DamnRock]

Well, I would say that YES, you can see the balls coming, from any distance, unless you're not looking...then it's your own damn fault. At close range, it's not even an issue of will the flatline win vs the spyder...they're the same.

From 100+ feet, they're much different, I find myself lobbing shots over to the other guy, hoping he won't be paying attention and he'll think a bird crapped on him. However, the flatline gun can shoot above 100+ feet w/o a great deal of arc. Now, YEs accuracy is horrible at that distance, but that's true of any gun. Even a perfectly accurate gun won't shoot accurately outside at long distances, as the wind plays hell on paintballs.

I have dodged balls coming from about 100 feet, being shot by a flatline. You CAN see it coming, but only if you're looking.

The thing a flatline has on a spyder, is that if the guy sees you first, and he's far away, he has a much better chance of getting you than you do of him. However, I do find that the guy with the flatline usually bunkers in a hides until someone comes creeping by, then he sprays about a hopper full of paint.

[NickR]

The only way you are going to hit someone with a flatline barrel from 150 ft is if they are extreamly stupid and stand out in the open! :eek:

[SmartBall]

Whatever... i was playing against a flatliner(not a dead person ;)) and i was behind a rather large tree (say, 3 feet wide) and he shot me while i was behind the tree. He was about 40 yards away too. So yes, NickR, you can actually shoot people far away, and have the ball brake on 'em. He angled it (tilted the gun on it's side) so that it would curve around the tree. So, The flatline is good for something, it just ain't the most accurate barrel of the bunch!

[polarbear]

Originally posted by adVanCedSh0t
Flatlines suck the spyders can beat them anytime. Ya maybe in brush they are equal. But like say in speedball or such other games flatlines will loose.

Almost any time someone says (notice I did not, almost being the key word) always, anytime, all, the remark that follows the word is not based on fact but opinion, and should be read with that filter. He may not like the flatliner but may he does not play in the woods very often. When I had my flatliner woods is the only place I player and it worked very well. Many times I could put paint on people under the tree limbs. The other markers would have to arc thier shots and they would just hit the branches.

[toola]

I think that a flatline is totally over-rated. If you have a good spyder SE or TL plus, then you can beat the flatline. flatlines aren't always accurate

[Keikan]

This post is getting old, someone close it.

[SmartBall]

Ok if it's getting boring, then don't bother clicking on it, That way, you don't hafta put up with the anoying posts being made by an ononimous member (need i say who?). But really, this started like three weeks or something ago (i may be wrong), i wish it would just dig it's own grave and lay in it :)

[BIG JOHNSON]

The Tippman M98 could waste a Spyder with any barrel you put on it(even the stock barrel).

[Splat98]

Alright lets not bs. I have a C98 with Flatline...i have been ed by a Raptor and whooped a doode with Angel, so it all depends on who you are playing an if you suck or not.

[simon woodstock]

flat lines are good if you're playing back, gaurding the flag its cool for but if you're a front man i would not reccomend it. flatlines are not good in the woods either, i ussually play woods (games 3 out of 4 games in the woods) and flatlines cannot shoot through the heavy brush areas where you might have to shoot throught a 1 foot by 1 foot opening in braches and leaves. and i can dodge a ball from any gun at 60 feet, a flat line at 150 would be no problem, you'd have almost a full second to get away from the ball.

[Creek]

They need to make a camo ball,that be cool,I have watch a ball coming at me from a flat line and just side step it.Kinda look like it was hitting the brakes on a down hill coming at me

[Intimidator]

Originally posted by Creek
They need to make a camo ball,that be cool,I have watch a ball coming at me from a flat line and just side step it.Kinda look like it was hitting the brakes on a down hill coming at me

They do! It is called not having an anti-fog mask. You won't even see the ball coming. :)

[simon woodstock]

how are you supposed to squeegie a flatline if a ball breaks?:rolleyes:

[Intimidator]

tilt the hopper sideways. Then you put the squeegie in that hole and pull it out the tip of the barrel.

[NEO]

It's the player not the gun

[jrr112]

How many times are we gonna see this pain in the @$$ question? its just a little anoying to keep seeing this same question the whole world knows at longer distances a tippmann has a good chance of beating a spyder but, the bottom line is a spyder is more menurvable than a flatline tippman. The tippmann is like three feet long with the barrel, gun, and tank. how are u supposed to play paintball carrying around a three foot long peice of crap. the spyder is just better. first of all its not three feet long, it is better to run with, and its easier to use in the thick of the game.

so stop asking repeated questions for the love of god.

[axi0n]

Hell ya...

Its not about range.. Never was.. Hence the reason for bunkers and cover on the field.

If the M98 never has a clean shot at you in the open, or you have successfully flanked an unsuspecting opponent.

Markers no longer matter... I've seen guys with totally expensive equipment taken out by Brass Eagle pumps...

At the start of the game, they get cocky and dismiss the threat. Then the BE guys slides in around the side, waits till the guy is preoccupied with another target, then moves in for the kill...

Happens all the time.. Including to myself.. I felt like an ***.. But it happens, usually quickly, and usually you never even see it coming until its too late...

Ax.

[lazyjosh]

syder has a huge chance against the flatline because half of the people with them can't install them right!

[Marty]

My Flatline kicks @$$. It can definitely take out anyone you please, I recommend it to anyone with a 98!

[filasophikal]

they do have a camo ball... have you played with light brown - big balls yet, i have and have been hit by them, i never saw the thing coming... its also so hard to see them coming out...

it really depends on the situation, and player's skill level... i sometimes play with my sniper pump, and still be able to conquer everyone on the field...