Sniping..Does it exist in paintball? VOTE NOW!

[AllOleander]

Alright..there is currently a 3 page thread on this stupid subject..

so here's a poll .. just for fun. now whoever wins in the poll, that donesn't mean they are totally right, but im just doing this so we can see how many paintballers out there think that sniping really exists..and no maybes on this..either yes, or no.

Please dont post a whole lot of bullsh|t or quotes from that 3 page thread downbelow..just vote, and thats it. and sorry if there are other polls on this, but this is mainly to settle that 3 page thread argument..

i am so sick of the childish posts in that thread...and im sick of how i get flamed for stating my opinion. i am voting that sniping does not exist mainly because technology is not there yet, paintball was not meant to be all tactical. (airsoft was tho .. might wanna try it) i think it was meant to be fun and fast, and that does not include wearing camo and laying in the bushes for 20 minutes.

So please: NO FLAMES! NO QUOTES! AND NO BULLSH|T IN YOUR POSTS BELOW! WE HAVE HEARD YOUR OPINIONS, SO NOW JUST VOTE!! THANK YOU!

[Duct Tape]

no you just can't get enough distance yet in paintball. It'll be comming though. The Flatline for Tippmanns I think is the first step, but we're not there yet

[FredRandle]

I aggree with Duct Tape. Since you can't get very much range in paintball, you have to constantly be moving, and there's nowhere you can just camp and snipe.

[Xander]

it really depends on what you think sniping is(if it's nailing people at long distances like 200 ft+ with like only taking 2 shots then no there is no sniping, but if you think that sniping is just shoting a guy with 1 shot and not being seen then yes)

[Batman]

not realy. this may not be a good way to put it but your pretty much shooting a water balloon. To get sniper gun i think we need More Velocity, Thick shelled balls so velocity dosent tear them apart. And a barrel that is smmoooooooooooooootttttttttthhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[mikek2111987]

well i voted yes, but the dif about pb sniping and real sniping is that u can see an hear the paintballs.so if the person isnt close enough, and doesnt hit their target, then there is no point to snipe because their target or someone else will see or hear were the pb's are coming from.

[UTLadiesMan]

Sure it does! I shot a guy right in the center of the goggles in one shot from 450+ yards w/ my talon and 18" sniper barrel.

Sorry, that was full of sh|t. But I've heard people say something just as incredible (as in 'not credible') before.

Personally I don't think sniping can happen yet. We just can't get the balls to travel a good distance accurately w/o being dangerous. I think of sniping as popping off one or two shots from a good distance accurately w/o the chance of being seen. As for hiding in tress in a ghille suit, that is what I call camping, not sniping. In real life you would never stay in trees with a sniper rifle, then wait for people to pass you to shoot them. You would be picking them off one by one before they ever knew where you were.

If we made bullet style paintballs, you might be able to get distance and accuracy, but they sure would hurt a lot more.

[Super Nick]

If you use the dictionary definition of sniping, sniping does exist in woods games, but not in speedball.

[fate tempter]

there is no sniping realy. but there is ambush. and i think those two terms might be mixed up for some people

[UTLadiesMan]

Snipe \Snipe\, v. i. [imp. & p. p. Sniped; p. pr. & vb. n. Sniping.] 1. To shoot or hunt snipe.

2. To shoot at detached men of an enemy's forces at long range, esp. when not in action; -- often with at.


Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

[FireViper]

Im one of the people from the other post that say sniping does exist. If you want some dictionary references here they are(this is a copy from one of my previous posts:
Ok here it is from two dictionaries:
*A*snip·er (plural snip·ers) noun
hidden shooter: somebody who shoots at people from a concealed position*(from MSN Online Dictionary)
*B*Main Entry: snipe
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): sniped; snip·ing
Date: 1832
1 : to shoot at exposed individuals (as of an enemy's forces) from a usually concealed point of vantage
2 : to aim a carping or snide attack
- snip·er noun*(from Merriam-Webster Dictionary)

doesn't say anything about distance sniping is about concealment; there have been snipers since before there were guns technology has added the bonus of distance saying sniping is just about distance is like saying batting is just about homeruns it's just not true sure they make it better but there's more to it. I(myself) wasn't lucky enough to play back in the day when stealth and accuracy was key in paintball; I know sniping is pretty useless out of scenarios/big games/outlaw but it's still there


If you want more references just ask; most dictionaries I've seen have similar definitions to the ones above

[Edited by FireViper on 07-05-2001 at 07:43 PM]

[PiranhaPro]

Rec and tourney? No, there isnt snipers. However, big games and scenarios there are snipers, being a sniper just takes a lot of time in one spot...i personally cant stand it

[Richy_C]

Originally posted by box lid
sniping does exist. here is another word from the dictionary:
Fa_ggot:
def: you adj.
Shut up

[VeNoM]

its called being sneaky. (in my book) if you get shot and you and your team have absolutley no clue where it came from, CONSIDER YOUR SELF SNIPED!

[blake_sw]

BAH, NO SNIPERING! But..one time I snipered Steven Seagal in Mexico.

[krasher]

I've never seen anything like sniping in paintball, but I haven't played a big game, only tournies and rec. I mostly play speedball anyways. Its not something I'd really want to do anyways.

[AllOleander]

Well...heh heh, right now the poll says sniping doesn't exist..

so .. SMD!! :)

[Blaster CA]

AllOleander got his butt kicked on the other sniper thread so he bailed & started a new one. How sad for him.

[Blaster CA]

'Sniping' can be fun & effective. You just gotta have some skill. An unskilled 'sniper' won't be very effective & won't have much fun. Same thing for an unskilled frontline player.

First people hafta realize what a paintball 'sniper' is (an aggressive player usin stealth & accuracy over firepower) Then what a 'sniper' is not (newbie or unskilled players hiding &/or lobbing paint). 'Sniper' doesn't mean defender. Stealthy doesn't mean slow or sit & hide.

It's a misconception that newbies & unskilled players that lob paint & hide are 'snipers'. Playin smart is a big part of being a good player ('sniper' or not).

Another misconception is that 'sniping' is passive. I'm very aggressive in my play. I'm always movin towards the other team. Always probing for a soft spot or blind spot in the line or defense. When there's a push for the flag, I join in. When my team is bein pushed back, I can usually backdoor the other team. Sometimes I can even steal the opponents the flag. I'm usually in the other teams half of the field. I'm always ahead of my team on the enemies flank. Workin my way into position to tag people from outta nowhere. If I'm not gettin my butt into position, I'm not helping my team!

DO NOT long ball. Other players shouldn't lob paint either. 'Snipers' don't need to long-ball if they can get into effective range without bein seen. And they shouldn't long-ball if they're not in effective range because it'll give away their position. Good players ('sniper' or not) get into effective range before firin.

The differences between a 'sniper' & frontline player is the way they get into a firing position & what they do once they get there. In general, frontline players go from point A to point B as fast as possible. No stealth involved. 'Snipers' use stealth to get into a good position. From there, a 'sniper' fires a minimum amount of paint in order to stay undetected as long as possible. They also, if they're smart, wait for an opportune moment to fire (unlike a frontline player who usually fires as much as possible). Good 'snipers' get as close as possible before shootin.

'Snipers' hafta be aggressive to get into effective range. Too cautious & they wind up lobbing paint. Too slow & they wind 'late to the party'. Lobbing paint & bein 'late' are not effective styles of play for any player. Finding the right balance between movin fast & moving quietly takes practice. You can get the job done once you get the balance right.

Every field I've played at has had a time limit of 20 mins or less. I'm still very effective despite the time limit. Timed games affect 'snipers' the same way it does the everyone. Short games mean you have to take more chances. Longer games mean you have more time to work your plan. A 10 minute game is a bigger challenge for every player than a 20 minute game is.

It's really challenging to go off by yourself TOWARDS the other team. Getting into a good position without being seen takes a lot of skill. Bein able to eliminate people & they never know where or who it came from is a lot of fun.

But, just because I'm a 'sniper', that doesn't mean I'm not workin with my teammates to get the flag. My friends know what I'm doin & they'll let the rest of our team know what's what. I'm not out just to get my 'kills'. I'm tryin to eliminate opponents in order to help my team get the flag. I'm also tryin to confuse, frustrate & distract the other team (for the same reason).

Most people focus on what's in front of them. The most immediate threat. A good 'sniper' only needs the normal amount of distraction/lack of focus that a bunch of opponents in front of the other team, shootin 'em up, provides. It's very common to develop tunnel vision in the midst of a big shootout. If my team is in front of them, shooting it out, that's all I should need. The rest is up to me.

Staying hidden is a lot easier than people think. Usin paint with a dark colored shell helps to keep people from tracking your shot back to you. (There used to be paint that was half olive drab, half medium brown. I had a hard time tracking those balls in flight & I knew where they were goin!) Also, factor in the limits goggles put on peripheral vision to tracking a paintball in flight, from a direction you don't expect & when you don't expect someone to be in that part of the field & you have several dozen balls a second comin at you from a different direction (the rest of the 'snipers' team) & it's pretty tough to see it comin. The noise of dozens of paintguns firing & dozens of paintballs 'splatting' every second make it almost imposssible to hear where a single shot came from.

When you do start tagging people, many times the other team assumes that their teammates were taken out by the people in front of them. It's a lot harder to determine, in the middle of a big firefight, where a shot came from than people believe. If the other team does realize they were 'sniped', they still have to spot you. That gives you another opportunity to tag a few more. Even if they spot you, you should have taken out at least one of them. If they don't spot you, you have the chance to take out more & more (dependin on how long you go unnoticed).

Sooner or later, they will detect you. (That's almost for sure.) Then you either can slug it out, fade away or lead any pursuers on a wild goose chase (as the situation dictates). When I stay put, it's rock-n-roll time. I'm not afraid to mix it up. I just prefer 'sniping' because it's a hard fight when I'm all by myself.

I know I don't use classic military sniper tactics. I don't use stylized sniper tactics you'd see in movies either. I use paintball 'sniper' tactics! People that know (or have seen) my style of play, almost to a man, call me a 'sniper'. Stealth, accuracy, surprise, a minimum amount of paint, flanking/backdooring the other team & doin it all alone...that's a paintball 'sniper'.

[AllOleander]

Originally posted by Blaster CA
AllOleander got his butt kicked on the other sniper thread so he bailed & started a new one. How sad for him.


YOU ARE THE BIGGEST ***G0T STFU YOU LOSER!! I DIDN'T GET MY BUTT KICKD!! I EVEN SAID IN THE OTHER THEAD I AM STARTING A POLL!! THIS THREAD IS FOR THE POLL, NOT FOR MORE ARGUING!!

SO SHUTUP, VOTE, AND TAKE THE RESULTS LIKE A MAN! SNIPING DOES NOT EXIST.

AND GROW UP KID

[Blaster CA]

If 'snipers' don't exist in paintball, why was I able to find so much mention of them in less than 20 minutes? (From more than one source, too.)

http://www.dpxpaint.com/d/tactics.asp Sniper 101

http://www.paintballgods.com/sniper.htm Mad Dog's Sniper Reviews by Philip "Mad Dog" Quigley

http://www.paintballgods.com/sniper.htm Sniper tactics

http://www.paintballzone.com/ Snipers Corner

Action Pursuit Games- April pg. 89, col 1; <<He was well hidden & patiently waiting for the perfect sniper shot.>>

Action Pursuit Games-April pg. 194, col 1 <<...the Allies made push after push trying to dislodge the Germans, but German snipers & shock troopers...drove them back.>>

http://woodchuck3786.tripod.com/index.htm Hot Shot Paintball- Sniper Tips

[PaintballDude]

Whoa, you have entirely too much time on your hands.

[mikek2111987]

yeah i have a mag that teaches u how to be a good sniper. its Paintball magazine, i cant find the month or year, but on the cover it says "sniper School","goggle skinz,camo for your eyes" "operation Kourbash" some of the snipers i cant even find in the pic, sometimes sniping is more stealth reather than range

[Magnus55]

I agree with you Blaster. I believe there is the art of sniping in paintball. I myself am a front player, but I have seen people who can and do snipe. I have even been picked off by snipers before. Sniping does not involve range, that is the media's conception. Sniping is using steath and camoflague, at any range. Newbies hidding in the brush are NOT snipers, they just boast that to their friends to hide their own cowardice. Snipers are real, weather you want to admit it or not.

[Jake]

I believe it is sniping in the sense you have to sneak up on people which is seventy percent of being a sniper in the military sense. It is not the same as far as the shooting part because accuracy of rifles and paintball markers are so different. So I say why not let sniping be part of paintball. It is an art to sneak up on people and if you can do it then you can call it whatever you want.

[scott44]

I don't like playing in the woods, only speedball, but i think sniping does exist. Whoever said you had to be 100 yards away and pic someone off to be a sniper. You can sit in a bush for 20 minutes wait for a guy to walk 10 feet in front of you and shoot him, and you are still in a sense a sniper. And why would there be a gun named the sniper? I owned one at one time, and believe they have that name for a reason. and the poll now says sniping does exist.:)

[PaintballDude]

You can SORT OF snipe in the woods. I like to stalk someone and confuse them, then come up right behind them and shoot them in the back. If you just sit there and wait for people to come is no fun.

[VeNoM]

i heard someone saying something about a sniper just long balling. if a "sniper" is trying to long ball he is not a smart or good sniper. he gives away where he is and he wont hit anything if he has to long ball, thats just being dumb and wasting paint. a "sniper" will move to a spot where he knows that he can eliminate the person take a few shots and go on sneakin around.

people tend to link sniper with long range, IT DOESNT HAVE TO BE! sure if you a psg-1 or sumthin than you can snipe some from 600+ yards. sniping is taking shots at an opponent from a concealed posisition (if your hosin paint, your not very concealed are you?)

[Blaster CA]

<<this is mainly to settle that 3 page thread argument...>>

Yeah, I'm sure this'll settle everythin, once & for all...

<<i am so sick of the childish posts in that thread...>>

Yeah me too. Like the ones where you talk about wantin to punch me, fight me & insinuating threats about shootin me with a real gun! Grow up.

<<and im sick of how i get flamed for stating my opinion.>>

You got flamed not for statin your opinion but for not payin the slightest attention to others opinion while tellin us we're wrong. Pretty rude & stupid of you if you ask me.

<<...paintball was not meant to be all tactical.>>

(This is my favorite part!!!) So you just run around like a chicken with your head cut off? No plans or strategies or tactics? You're missin out on a lot of good paintball experiences if you think paintball shouldn't be all tactical.

<<i think it was meant to be fun and fast,...>>

It is fun a fast. Even when I'm out there 'sniping' people, it's fast & furious. That's one of my points that you've conveniently ignored.

<<and that does not include wearing camo...>>

Wow, it doesn't? Since when? How does wearin camo keep the game from bein fun & fast? Especially on an organized field with a time limit? It doesn't. Get a clue.

<<...and laying in the bushes for 20 minutes.>>

The only time someone's gonna lay in the bushes for that long is a big game. The fields in my area have a 20 minute time limit. (Another point of mine that you paid no attention too!) So, yeah, it might take me 5 minutes or so to get into to position but I'll make it worth the wait for my team. & if I'm takin too long or it's do or die time, I'll just forget the stealth & do whatever it takes to win the game or die tryin. (& that's yet another one of my points that you've couldn't/wouldn't give a second thought too.)

I counterpointed all of your arguments against 'snipers' in paintball a long time ago. You haven't had the decency to pay the slightest attention to any of it though. That continues to be the only prob I have with you.

<<AND GROW UP KID>>

ANOTHER POINT YOU'VE IGNORED! I ain't a kid. Can't help it if I'm actin like one though. Rude idiots bring out the worst in me.

[Blaster CA]

(PaintballDude) <<Whoa, you have entirely too much time on your hands.>>
Sometimes! :)

(Magnus55) <<Sniping does not involve range...>>
<<Sniping is using steath and camoflague, at any range.>>
<<Newbies hidding in the brush are NOT snipers,...>>
<<Snipers are real, weather you want to admit it or not.>>

(Jake) <<I believe it is sniping in the sense you have to sneak up on people which is seventy percent of being a sniper in the military sense.>>
<<It is an art to sneak up on people and if you can do it then you can call it whatever you want.>>

(scott44) <<...i think sniping does exist.>>

(VeNoM) <<if a "sniper" is trying to long ball he is not a smart or good sniper. he gives away where he is and he wont hit anything if he has to long ball, thats just being dumb...>>
<<a "sniper" will move to a spot where he knows that he can eliminate the person take a few shots and go on sneakin around.>>
<<people tend to link sniper with long range, IT DOESNT HAVE TO BE!>>
<<sniping is taking shots at an opponent from a concealed posisition...>>

Totally! Thank you all!! I've been makin all of those points to this guy from the very start!!! Unfortunately, he's chosen to ignore all my points & remain ignorant about what a paintball 'sniper' is.

I'm sorry to the rest of you if I come off as a major jerk. But like I said over & over, he just ignores every point or counterpoint, all the while continuing to tell us (me) we're wrong. (Add in all the posts that he calls me names, threatens me with violence & generally disrespects me & I can't help but flame him...) If you looked through the other thread, you'd see that all of this has been told to him before. Ignorin it all is rude, disrespectful & just plain stupid. Sad for him that he is too insecure (or whatever) to accept any of it.

[AllOleander]

i don't ingnore any points or counterpoints..just yours. becuase you would rather flame me, then talk about paintball

and i did not say i wanted to shoot you w/ a real gun! i said i wanted to smack you becuase your annoying the h3ll out of me....dont even talk to me.


and learn how to quote ppl correctly!

[xXAFireInsideXx]

i have a phantom w/a adco red-dot sight, and i play in a small indoor field, and i sit towards the back, wait for and unsuspecting across-the-field opponent shooting at one of my teammates, thinking he's safe, then i zero in and take him out, and he dosent know where it came from.
-in my opinion, THAT IS SNIPING, AND YES, YOU CAN SNIPE IN PAINTBALL.

[abeaucha]

Holy s hit 18 to 18. has to go up

[Blaster CA]

21 to 19, advantage 'snipers' right now. Not like it matters though. 40 people have voted outa how many millions of paintballers?

Yeah, AllOleander, your little poll is gonna settle the debate...

[AllOleander]

i was just curious you a-hole now shutup and watch the poll

i never said it would settle paintball once and for all! i said it would somewhat settle that 3page long thread

go in the other thread and read my posts....and stop being alittle punk smart@ss, im sick of all your little alloleander your a b|tch posts... just shutup

[UTLadiesMan]

Wow Blaster, 39 posts and only 12 threads. 7 of those threads contain a variation of the word 'snipe' in the title. One track mind...

I don't mind, it's cool to post your opinions, but do you have any others?


*Also, about 5 of those posts are the same really long novel no one has yet to read.

[mikek2111987]

Originally posted by UTLadiesMan
*Also, about 5 of those posts are the same really long novel no one has yet to read. thats true, after seeing that he cant quote, i decided not to read,looked confusing and boring.

[Blaster CA]

Originally posted by UTLadiesMan
Wow Blaster, 39 posts and only 12 threads. 7 of those threads contain a variation of the word 'snipe' in the title. One track mind...

I don't mind, it's cool to post your opinions, but do you have any others?

Yeah, I have other opinions. They're pretty much inline with everyone elses though. So if it's already 'been there done that', I don't see the point of postin about it. Not often anyway. Paintball 'snipers' is a subject that I like to post about. So I do, often & many times at length. That's life.

& about the way I quote; I got into the habit of quotin like that on another message board 'cause the way they had quotes set up was confusin. Old habits die hard. It's a free country. I'll post the way I want, post what I want, on the subjects I care about & people are free to read my posts or not as they see fit. It's not up to me who reads my stuff & who doesn't.

[brendan144]

yea there is sniping, i do it so it must exist dont ya think

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by Blaster CA
Yeah, I have other opinions. They're pretty much inline with everyone elses though. So if it's already 'been there done that', I don't see the point of postin about it

But yet you'll post the same three arguments about sniping dozens of times....

[ME]

There is sniping in paintball just not the long range of a regular rifle its still can incorporate the technique just not so long range death (a lil longer with flatline :) heehee)

[AllOleander]

Originally posted by Devilstar
I take shiping for my gun man it good!!!!

What?

[SIGSays]

it does exist beacuse of the retards that climb up trees. good thing most of then are newbies and they can't aim.

[w00twoot]

in tourny i dont see any snipin but in rec you see tippmanns with flatlines so its a catch 22


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[optimusprime888]

I believe that there is, and always be sniping in paintball. The way I define sniping is marking your target with a minimum amount of shots (One shot one kill), and without being seen. Guile, stealth and knowlegde of your target and terrain play a major role within my definition. By my definition, I am a paintball sniper, or at least a paintball guerilla. Through a superior knowledge of my terrain, and a superior ability moving covertly throughout the aforementioned terrain, I am able to enact quick, surgical strikes apon my enemy, inflicting maximum damage with minimal losses of men and material, and then quickly fadeing into the background, only to be seen at my next strike. Using these methods, during my last match, I successfully eliminated 6 members of the opposing ten man team.

I read a lot of military field manuals.

[AllOleander]

Originally posted by optimusprime888
I read a lot of military field manuals.

Good for you.

:)

[fate tempter]

well i dont know about you but my gun cant snipe. what the h*ll guns you got that do?

[AllOleander]

Originally posted by fate tempter
well i dont know about you but my gun cant snipe. what the h*ll guns you got that do?

!! hah THANK YOU! :D

[Tony G]

no
in the games that i played in if u tried to be a sniper u would just waste you paint, since paintballs dont have much of a range

[Super Nick]

Aperently you didn't read the rest of the thread. It was determined that sniping isn't shooting from long range, it was shooting from a concealed position. I think that it's about time that a moderator closed this, because people on these forums are too stubborn to acknowledge the possibility that they could be wrong.

[U/\/a/\/\eD]

_______So what you are trying to say is that if I am in a
bush and you can't see me, I shoot/hit you from 10 feet
away, you don't know how you got hit, and I win, you call
it sniping? I don't give a rats about the dictionary but
sniping involves distance in some form.
__________________________________________________ _________
/me loves using the underline key numerouse times for "tab"

[fate tempter]

what he said. i would consider that an ambush. despite the deffinition

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by Super Nick
Aperently you didn't read the rest of the thread. It was determined that sniping isn't shooting from long range, it was shooting from a concealed position. I think that it's about time that a moderator closed this, because people on these forums are too stubborn to acknowledge the possibility that they could be wrong.

When the hell did we "determine" this? Or did you determine for us?

[U/\/a/\/\eD]

Originally posted by UTLadiesMan

When the hell did we "determine" this? Or did you determine for us?

Lol,
Distance is sniping, accuracy is sniping, concealment is...?


/me wonders why he can't snipe you if he is in the middle of the arena...

[AllOleander]

good point

ever see the movie sniper? those "snipers" dont have one kill under 100 feet.

its not like they go sneak up to the enemy, hide in a concealed place, and shoot at them from 10 ft away.

[Super Nick]

Originally posted by UTLadiesMan
Originally posted by Super Nick
Aperently you didn't read the rest of the thread. It was determined that sniping isn't shooting from long range, it was shooting from a concealed position. I think that it's about time that a moderator closed this, because people on these forums are too stubborn to acknowledge the possibility that they could be wrong.

When the hell did we "determine" this? Or did you determine for us?

I determined it for you because you didn't seem as though you were capable of determining it for yourself.

[U/\/a/\/\eD]

Umm.... Nick?

You do realize that the word "ain't" is in the dictionary therefore saying that the definition of sniper could be just as dumb. If you think you are a sniper at point blank and that you are not a sniper in the open then you are obviously confused. Snipers in paintball is kind of silly so you can just score yourself by saying a like longshots or I like surprising others combinding those to say I like to snipe. Either way, eat pewp (it fits right into this whole convo, right?)

[FireViper]

Originally posted by U/\/a/\/\eD
Umm.... Nick?

You do realize that the word "ain't" is in the dictionary therefore saying that the definition of sniper could be just as dumb.

huh? if you meant it's not in the dictionary someone decided to put words like that in them now(Not that I agree but I guess they're trying to be thorough.

anyways I still don't see why you say there's no sniping. I'd go as far(towards your opinion) as saying it's not true sniping but to say that it doesn't exist is ignorant and those who say they don't care about the definition..guess what denying something when proof has been given isn't ignorance it's stupidity. I'm not saying sniping is for everyone (hell it's not for me), or that it's in everygame (obviously it would work by a long shot in speed ball and there's really not enough time for it in a normal recball game; I'm just saying consider the possiblilty that it exists.

[DontKillWhitey]

Well.actually.some.snipers.teams.in.veitnam.did.ki ll.ppl.from.very.close.range,like.w/.comabt.knifs.but.they.didnt.sneak.up.on.them,they .waited.for.them.so.therefore.it.was.an.ambush,sho oting.someone.from.ten.ft.away.could.be.considerd. an.ambush.if.someone.walked.into.it.but.say.u.were .behind.someone.and.u.stalked.them.to.within.ten.f t.and.u.were.right.behind.them.and.they.didnt.know .it.and.u.shot.them.it.could.be.considerd.sniping. No.flames.about.the.broken.spacebar.

[Super Nick]

I'll just give you a tip for that broken space bar. You mess up the size of the thread when everything is put together like that, so just hit enter once in a while. I've decided that I'm not going to participate in this debate anymore, because after looking over the rest of the thread I have realized that everyone involved is too ignorant to admit that they could be wrong, so it's pointless trying to argue with them.

[U/\/a/\/\eD]

Well then why is the sniper rifle for long range and accuracy?

[DontKillWhitey]

SO.can.can.shoot.the.enemy.from.far.away.without.i mmediatly.endagnering.yourself.
Another.major.part.of.snipeing.is.stalking.the.ene my.Not.just.shooting.from.far.away.Thats.why.snipe r.also.carry.knifes.and.pistols.Snipers.are.also.t rained.to.ambush.
Say.u.were.sniping,you.were.hidinh.along.a.trail.w aiting.for.the.enemy.to.walk.bye.from.say.one.hund red.yards.out.and.by.chance.one.walks.off.the.trai l.and.crosses.15.yards.infront.of.you.he.still.doe snt.c.you.U.shoot.him.
Guess.what.you.just.sniped.him.from.15.yards.away.
But.i.still.dont.know.if.you.could.pull.that.off.i n.paintball,doubtfull.

[Blaster CA]

Originally posted by Super Nick
I have realized that everyone involved is too ignorant to admit that they could be wrong, so it's pointless trying to argue with them.

Yeah, I've said everything I can say & it's mostly been ingnored. Ignorance, stupidity, insecurity, whatever the reason. They just don't &/or won't have an open mind about paintball 'snipers'.

[SandStorm]

Sniping has nothing to do with the equipment, its the actual tactics used that determines a sniper. What would you call an aggressive front player with a model 98 and flatline with red dot sight, a sniper!!?? Hell, at a scenario game the other weekend I was sniping with my minimag.

[SandStorm]

snip·er (snpr)
n.
1. A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place.

2.One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.

That should prove my point. go to dictionary.com and look up sniper

[w00twoot]

thanks mr. dictonary

[SandStorm]

No prob man :) Heres a pic of me sniping with my alley cat:

http://www.actionjackspaintball.com/images/final%20conflict/Untitled-14.jpg

[w00twoot]

i want to snipe with an ANGLE =)

[SandStorm]

Go for it.

[I-PyThOn-I]

Sniping.......yes it exists with the tippmann flatline.....one minor problem....they don't f-ing break that range people!!! i hit somones elbow sticking out for long enough range i couldn't tell who it was and it bounced right off because it was just hovering pretty much....sniping, as a PRACTICAL tactic does NOT exist

[Ace]

Yes, sniping exists.

I don't know where this stupid rumor got started...about how it's "not really sniping unless your 500 yards away" or something. You don't have to be far away to snipe someone.

Have you ever been shot by a player, but you had no idea where the shot came from because the player was so well hidden? THAT MEANS YOU GOT TAGGED BY A SNIPER.

It doesn't matter if they're 30 feet or 3 miles away. Sniping is still the same tactic. A quick, silent, stealthy attack on an unsuspecting player where you stay hidden and your location is not revealed. That's the definition of a sniper. It has nothing to do with distance from your target; although, you're less likely to be discovered if you're farther away.

[SandStorm]

Nice one Ace. Can't agree with you more on that one.

[barry122084]

Yes, there is sniping in paintball. My friend only uses 15-20 pantballs a game!!!
He makes he shots count and does it secretly, he's a sniper!

[Omega6_Virus]

guns dont reac hfar enough nor do they have that great of accuracey.