Snow Play

[MP879]

Hey I've never played in cold weather before. Are there any things I should know about how it will effect my gear or any tactics which will make it easier to take advantage of the conditions? Keep in mind that we have about 12 inches of snow on the ground here and I'm not playin till like the weekend after V-Day.

[Counterfeit]

If your using co2 make sure you have a regulator or expansion chamber. That is the most important.

It is also a good idea to keep you paint in warmer conditions between games.

[MP879]

I Mdon't have either, I just hooked a bottomline up to my gun though so maybe that will help a little. Can you even attach an expansion chamber up to a Ray 2?

[TLplus84]

if the gun doesn't have a reg/remote/expansion chamber..it's really gonna perform mad crappy in cold weather..

[MP879]

how much would a regulater or expansion chamber cost cause I don't want a remote.

[TLplus84]

expansion chambers are usuaslly 30, the cheapest reg i've seen is the Pure Energy reg by PMI for 45.

[MP879]

will a bottomline do anything to help my gun?

[Counterfeit]

Nope. I botline does not do anything but transport the air. And it is not long enough and go through enough stages to do the same effect as a remote.

[MP879]

will I be able to play at all with no reg/exp/rem?

[Predator2]

If you get an antisiphon tank it will perform the same as when you an x chamber. and it costs only ten bucks at 888paintball.com

[MP879]

whats an antisiphon tank?

[Predator2]

an antisiphon tank will keep out all liquid CO2 from entering your gun. The x chamber does the exact same job. The antisiphon is like a tube that goes into your co2 tank and it has to be installed by a pro. air smith.

[antiramie]

You WILL be able to play, but it is going to suck with velocity spikes and other things that affect the CO2. Some online sites sell x-chambers for $30. The cheapest reg ive seen is also around $45.

[MP879]

How bad will the velocity spikes be?

[Eladamri]

You can play without a x chamber. Just dont go psycho on the shots. Limit the number of shots in a row. If you go out and spray paint in cold weather your guns going to mess up no matter what setup you have if your running CO2. I played for 4 hrs a few weeks ago in 24 degree weather while it was snowing. Anyone who tried to spray paint ended up freezing their gun regardless of their setup. Also be sure and wear good gloves, guns get extremely cold shooting CO2.

[MP879]

I have a Ray 2...its plastic so it shouldn't be that cold...will a tank cover help at all? And what do you mean freeze my gun?

[Eladamri]

A tank cover won't help because it acts just like a coolie on a pop can, It insulates it keeping the cool in. If your gun gets too cold the mechanical parts inside of it quits responding, and what usually happens is the valve freezes and the gun wont cock or shoot or the gun goes full auto and the sear quits catching.

[MP879]

how can I prevent that from happening?

[Eladamri]

Shoot single shots, go inside between games if possible to give you're gun a chance to rest and warm back up and the main things.

[MP879]

I just shoot like 3 shot burst and then duck down, i'm gonna try and snipe this next game so it doesn't get to jammed plus I'll be usin a longer barrel

[MP879]

If I don't shoot to much and try to keep my tank warm I shouldn't have too many problems with my gun right?

[Creek]

you guys will think this is nuts. But i take a ols sock and put a hand warmer in there with the tank,i use a remote pack also.It looks dumd as hell but belive me it works great.They also have heat paks that work too.

[Counterfeit]

Oh my god!!! Did you jsut say you use a hand warmer???

That is a cardinal sin when it comes to useing a co2 tank. Heating your tank WILL cause horrible volocity spikes and will increase to pressure in your tank. When that happens your burst disk will eventually blow and in worst case it will acually cause the tank itself to rupture.

[Creek]

i do that in the snow,never had a problm with spikes,plus this is a battery opp one and it can be ajusted,not the kind that uses zippo fuild

[Counterfeit]

Originally posted by Creek
i do that in the snow,never had a problm with spikes,plus this is a battery opp one and it can be ajusted,not the kind that uses zippo fuild

It does not matter if it is electric or the temporary chemical kind. It is still incredibally dangerous. I strongly advise that you stop doing that.

Does your local field opporator allow that?

[Creek]

well the gage stays around 900,and if you ever take a tank in too be test it is alway 3 times the max you are suppose to have in it co2 is around 1200 psi they hidro them at 3600 psi.i dont leave it on the whole time,if it did act like it was going too go nuts i jam it in the snow,the truck of a car heats it up more that this thing would.this thing puts out alot less than body head does,i also seen it puton expansion chamber.i turn it on when its sitting there.when i am playing it is off,its not like i sitting cooking hot dogs

[Counterfeit]

Originally posted by Creek
well the gage stays around 900,and if you ever take a tank in too be test it is alway 3 times the max you are suppose to have in it co2 is around 1200 psi they hidro them at 3600 psi.i dont leave it on the whole time,if it did act like it was going too go nuts i jam it in the snow,the truck of a car heats it up more that this thing would.this thing puts out alot less than body head does,i also seen it puton expansion chamber.i turn it on when its sitting there.when i am playing it is off,its not like i sitting cooking hot dogs


Acually co2 tanks are not supposed to go over 800.

[PaintKiller]

I got my spyder shutter W package for christmas so it was cold and the hole entire gun gets frost on it when i bring it in it sweats badley i hate that.
So next week me and my ferind decided to have a 1 on 1
in the woods down the block and it was snowing i was shooting a few practice shots and most of the paint broke it the stock barrel so that ment i had to go home and clean it so we decided to play a different day.
Then when i was going home the worst thing happened the gun froze so bad it wouldent cock back i hate that.

So my conclusion is dont play when it snowes of when it is cold the paint would break and it probley would freeze and not cock back.

[Creek]

not saying your wrong but at 20 degree C its 816 psig, I think thats around 50 degrees.might less might be a little more, but co2 even in the fill tank is about 1200,it all depends on the temp from which its being used.Plus the warning Label states on a tank not too exceed 130 degrees when pressurized, And if you touch something that hot i afraid it burn your hand.

[Creek]

20c=68f

[Counterfeit]

I still do not think you understand me. I have seen pictures of people who used those electro hand warmers at low temps blow the burst disk. I have heard of guys on PB city that blow there tank doing what you are doing.

[Creek]

O i understand what your saying,but you see i handel CO@ at work all the time,i also know what is can do and can't,I been around along time and never seen one blow except if they got a nick in there tank,and thats when the hydro fines the thing and blows.And if you got a hand warmer that is that hot then you couldn't put it in your pocket.Same with foot warmers.Summer time people leave there tanks in the sun and stuff and you dont see them blow,we have fuel trucks with co2 tanks on them and the airport ramp gets too 115 degrees and never blows.

[Intruder]

so I have an expansion chamber on my gun, will that help me in the cold because I'm going to play next weekend in snow and probably cold. When I pressurize my gun, the expansion chamber gets pretty cold, is that normal. And also, in the cold, my friends m98 stock barrel doesn't allow balls through at like -10 degrees celcius. The balls break in the barrel because it contracts, it is very funny actually to see him swearing jamming his squeegee into his gun, lol. Also, will the balls freeze in temps like that, like frozen solid. I don't think they will, but my dad does. for you from the usa that might not know, water freezes at 0 dergrees celcius. That means no offense to anyones intelligence, just thought you might not know...

[Creek]

Air Gun Designs recomends that you have a warm air sorce in cold weather,As far as PB city it all indoor playing.I trying too look for the web site that talk about what I doing.Another thing if you have a remote you can cover it in your jacket on your back and body heat keep your tank warm,but then you got too worry about the hose from the remote.do its cooling off

[TIBE]

lol.....i played in a snow field with bukers and a tree house......

it was about 50 to 40 degrees and it was cold!...

everyones paintball guns were jacked!....but it was fun...
cuase when you hit someone you were happy

that is my paintball snow experiance.....-

[TLplus84]

i played in 20 degree weather last february..everyone's gun was either leaking or frozen..we used hand warmers on the guns, not the tanks and that seemed to help...but it still pretty much sucked....

[Creek]

Well we play one or 2 times a year in the snow,it isn't the best playing but then we just do it too be diffrent.The best was is with gas,Theres one other thing we do too play with a co2 tank and it not warming but then,I'll hear too much crap about it.Even when a shop sets it up for us.

[Predator2]

I learned this in science class. Water freezes at 32* F. If you ad another chemical to water the boiling point increases and freezing point decreases. So depending on how much the paintballs are water it won't freeze at 32* F. since it is oil based it won't freeze unless it is really freakin cold.

[Eladamri]

Paintballs can freeze at that temperature, Keep your case in a warm place if possible and it shouldnt be a problem

[Counterfeit]

Originally posted by Predator2
since it is oil based

Paintballs have not been oil based for over 10 years.

[Richy_C]

well, i hate to admit it but during the las 2 miutes of your chaotic paintball freefurall in the foods, i had iciles on my 20 oz

[TLplus84]

yep that's why if someone tells you that they've played with Oil based paint before...you know they've been playing REAL long

[MP879]

So if I put like a towel around it when I'm not using it will that help?

[MP879]

My tanks that is.

[Creek]

Nope,but if you got a car near by,put it in there and run the heater.but if its real cold out, wont last long.

[Phaelon Veritas]

well to be honest I used a ray II in cold weather and let me just say BAD @$$ this gun will swallow c02 and keep it live to you and yours it was 27 degrees and sleeting and this gun never once choked the velocity dropped a bit but it kept workin no worries :)

[MP879]

well thats more comforting then most replies I've gotten.

[A damn fool]

dont worry bout it mike, theres less then 6 inches now, its gonna rewain during the wekk so the rest of it wilbe gone, and ts supposed to be 50 on saterday, so it wont matter about the cold. Buy a tank cover when u get paint, and u should be fine.

[Intruder]

is it true that barrels contract in cold weather and break balls.

[PaintKiller]

I think they do all my paint breakes.
So the next time i am gonna play is when it gets warm.
But the bad thing is that me and my ferinds
R gonna go play paintball because it's a special day.
Like stuff is on sale.

[PetWoody]

co2 really sucks in cold weather. i had a new bolt in my old spyder when i played on a cold day and the co2 pressure droped so low that the bolt wouldnt blow back. and u need to keep ur paint warm because it will start to break in ur barrel the colder they get.

now i got a cocker but i havent used it cold weather though. im pretty sure it would work.

[PaintKiller]

Yes on my gun it wont cock back.
So let it warm up for a while then try.
Or do what my dad with my gun force it back....IT WORKED!!!